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February 10, 2014, 11:19:11 AM
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if you're asking if negative input is legal, yes it is.

To simplify it, it's similar to how modulo operates in C.
If you do:
Code:
int x = (1-3) % 5;    // -2 % 5

you'll get "-2" as a result, but what you're actually interested in is:
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int x = (1-3 + group_order) % 5;    // (-2 + 5) % 5  = 3 % 5 == 5

group_order == 5, and you'll get 3 as a result...

Yes, I know.

So, the problem is that -2 or 3 is processed further and we are not certain if -2 behaves differently than 3 does. That is certainly a problem.

EDIT: we are not certain if the 3 resulting from a -2 is process the same way as we would give it another try.

"-2" is passed as input to verify() which was expecting to see "3" not "-2"...


But it is not sure, if -2 in form as a 3 would result in the same outcome as it would be a 'real' 3 from the beginning.

In math  -2 mod 5 equals 3.   Is that the result, which is wanted?    ... in that case C implementation is wrong there and should not use % with negative numbers. (change to positive by adding 5)




I think that's not the point here. Consider this:
Code:
b = f(a)

c = g(b)

d = h(a, c)

Let's assume c results in -2 with a certain b.

Even if c=-2 and c=3 are interchangeable mathematically, h might not work as expected as the pair (a, c) belong together.

So, it could be the case that h(a, -2) != h(a, 3) for the very same a. This must be avoided at any cost.
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February 10, 2014, 11:20:08 AM
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nxt&src=typd&mode=users

Everyone should retweet EVERY message in which ppl are saying that we are a safe haven!!



Let's make this a big marketing push!

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February 10, 2014, 11:21:59 AM
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What's this bitcoin bug i keep hearing about? Just heard and it's everywhere.
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February 10, 2014, 11:22:35 AM
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nxt&src=typd&mode=users

Everyone should retweet EVERY message in which ppl are saying that we are a safe haven!!



Let's make this a big marketing push!


That's exactly what I'm doing ... Smiley
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February 10, 2014, 11:22:53 AM
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Marketing, please use this momentum, where are the swarms?

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February 10, 2014, 11:23:32 AM
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MtGox: Bitcoin Transaction Malleability bug

https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html

BTC Crash!

"Note that this will also affect any other crypto-currency using the same transaction scheme as Bitcoin."

NXT not affected!!

HOLY CRAP!! BTC just got a heartattack!!

So frigging scary looking at the speed of crash!

NXT is safe heaven like gold...

PANIC buy Cheesy

Pouncer, I posted this on /r/nxt.

http://www.reddit.com/r/NXT/comments/1xigav/mtgox_bitcoin_transaction_malleability_bug_nxt/

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February 10, 2014, 11:23:51 AM
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What's this bitcoin bug i keep hearing about? Just heard and it's everywhere.

NOT in NXT! spread the word, NXT as safe heaven

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February 10, 2014, 11:24:05 AM
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What's this bitcoin bug i keep hearing about? Just heard and it's everywhere.

I think people are getting too excited about it - it's not a bug that really affects anyone except for perhaps exchanges who are relying on the tx hash to check whether a tx went through or not (if you are using bitcoin-qt this wouldn't affect your balance at all).

With CIYAM anyone can create 100% generated C++ web applications in literally minutes.

GPG Public Key | 1ciyam3htJit1feGa26p2wQ4aw6KFTejU
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February 10, 2014, 11:24:18 AM
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https://twitter.com/search?q=%23nxt&src=typd&mode=users

Everyone should retweet EVERY message in which ppl are saying that we are a safe haven!!



Let's make this a big marketing push!


We did just have a similar issue only a few days ago, but hey.. ;-) (I'm referring to the bug found by doctor evil)
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February 10, 2014, 11:24:33 AM
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What's this bitcoin bug i keep hearing about? Just heard and it's everywhere.

Nothing serious. See the MtGox announcement or..

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/02/10/mt-gox-blames-bitcoin-core-developer-greg-maxwell-responds/

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February 10, 2014, 11:25:49 AM
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cannot sleap, too much weed..
- I am finishing the text "Decentralized internet and Nxt solutions", so I hope it will get some comments from the community and them we can send it to big mainstream media and get attention from guys like Kim Dotcom or Assagne. As was said, contact with Kim is possible, but we need to show him this text first Smiley

Somehow, when I asked the question of how to do better at our public relations face, I didn't think the answer would be too much weed, Kim Dotcom and Julian Assagne.



HAHA, I usually dont post that... much when i doo... well...im drunk Cheesy

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February 10, 2014, 11:26:20 AM
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What's this bitcoin bug i keep hearing about? Just heard and it's everywhere.

NOT in NXT! spread the word, NXT as safe heaven

Yes I know but what is this bug exactly?

Just Gox?

Edit: Ok, got it Passion Smiley
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February 10, 2014, 11:40:56 AM
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wow btc-e price http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/btcusd

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February 10, 2014, 11:41:11 AM
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Upvote:

http://de.reddit.com/r/CryptoMarkets/comments/1xieys/bug_in_the_bitcoin_protocol_note_that_this_will/

http://de.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1xifsl/bug_in_the_bitcoin_protocol_note_that_this_will/


Retweet:
https://twitter.com/Plucky333/status/432840644340363265

(Basically every #Nxt thing on twitter  Cheesy)
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February 10, 2014, 11:41:26 AM
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MtGox: Bitcoin Transaction Malleability bug

https://www.mtgox.com/press_release_20140210.html

BTC Crash!

"Note that this will also affect any other crypto-currency using the same transaction scheme as Bitcoin."

NXT not affected!!

HOLY CRAP!! BTC just got a heartattack!!

So frigging scary looking at the speed of crash!

NXT is safe heaven like gold...

PANIC buy Cheesy

looks like a lot of people take it very seriously and selling btc...

tomorrow another feature test for us, and there isn't a perfect timing than that, also perfect timing to releases Clienxt 0.0.5 [codename] AE testnet before big day Smiley
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February 10, 2014, 11:41:43 AM
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Simple mode....

ACTUAL/NOW/CURRENT:

1) you send 1000 NXT and NXT 1 fee
2) shows that balance (false) / show is received at the destination (false)
3) it is effective in 1440 confirmations (after 48 hours)
4) someone forge the commission NXT

WITH CANCEL:

1) you send 1000 NXT and NXT 1 fee
2) shows that balance (false) / show is received at the destination (false)
3) you cancel the transfer before the confirmation 800 (~24 hours). you recover the amount, the recipient returns to its normal amount. 
4) someone forge the commission NXT

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Because you think DGEX and the other sites take so long to process transactions? Are not congested. Are only waiting for 1440 confirmations.
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February 10, 2014, 11:41:53 AM
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WE SHOULD START TO BUILD NXTMONEY == fixed price/value in all major currencies.

We need economists for that or u will end with eMunie-like system. I still doubt that eMunie "constant value" idea will work if people start selling EMUs.

Can't see how it will work. The system doesn't even the variation of price, it just alters it. Obviously, it will look more steady when there is a lot of demand, but when people start selling, there is nothing to shrink the supply or enforce the demand...

Ties are a prison for the soul...
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February 10, 2014, 11:43:10 AM
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#BTC and other alt-coins based on it's protocol are having trouble.

its Wink
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February 10, 2014, 11:46:06 AM
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Fuck Mt.Gox! Fuck Mintpal! Fuck Bter! FUCK kyc! Protect yourself use MGW! SUPERNET!
Recommended ASSET ->InstantDex : Lead Dev Jl777 (decentralized multi currency instant exchange)
Recommended ASSET -> Jinn : Lead Dev Come-from-Beyond (ternary processors!)
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February 10, 2014, 11:47:53 AM
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why is this still on version 0.5.11

http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=20

come on guys this is blockchain explorer.

NEXERN where are you?

just catched up, very busy the last days with AE gui for the testrun tomorrow.
update to 0.7.2 now.
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