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February 10, 2014, 12:20:26 PM
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Question about client updates of Jean Luc.

What happens if you are too late to update to the new version?

I used the older version only once, when it was the newest version when I was using it.

It took a while to download the latest blocks (1 minute I think). Everything seems to work fine.

I'm reading something called a 'fork'. How can I know I'm on a fork?


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February 10, 2014, 12:20:41 PM
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Raising awareness.

IMO that is the *wrong* way to do it - and is only going to motivate other coins to start posting FUD memes about Nxt in retaliation.

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February 10, 2014, 12:21:03 PM
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Simple mode....

ACTUAL/NOW/CURRENT:

1) you send 1000 NXT and NXT 1 fee
2) shows that balance (false) / show is received at the destination (false)
3) it is effective in 1440 confirmations (after 48 hours)
4) someone forge the commission NXT

WITH CANCEL:

1) you send 1000 NXT and NXT 1 fee
2) shows that balance (false) / show is received at the destination (false)
3) you cancel the transfer before the confirmation 800 (~24 hours). you recover the amount, the recipient returns to its normal amount.  
4) someone forge the commission NXT

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Because you think DGEX and the other sites take so long to process transactions? Are not congested. Are only waiting for 1440 confirmations.


I don't know what you are trying to say here. Nxt transactions are irreversible. You don't have to wait for 1440 confirmations . After 10 confirmations (around 10 minutes) merchant can ship product. I would ship it even after one confirmation.

You suggestions doesn't make any sense. This will make Nxt almost useless currency, or at least the slowest currency in the world. 24 hours before a seller can send you product? What if it's digital download? 24 hours wait before you can download? I would rather use a currency that is quicker then waste time with Nxt.

No thanks.




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February 10, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
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I'm reading something called a 'fork'. How can I know I'm on a fork?

Best way is to either post your last block info (block # and the % difficulty of it) into this topic and someone will most likely be able to quickly let you know (other signs are that you aren't getting new blocks for a long time or that you are forging many blocks in a row despite not having a huge amount of NXT).

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February 10, 2014, 12:23:03 PM
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We should publish that!

Why - so we can look like FUDsters along with Mt. Gox?


CIYAM always bringing the wiser and more mature perspective Smiley

I know and basically he is right, but it raises awareness nevertheless.

Imagine the same thing would be true for dogecoin.

That would be a fucking massacre.

The Nxt community is so defensive with its marketing strategies sometimes you should come up with a little more aggression (positive aggression^^).
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February 10, 2014, 12:23:09 PM
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Raising awareness.

IMO that is the *wrong* way to do it - and is only going to motivate other coins to start posting FUD memes about Nxt in retaliation.

You *reap* what you *sow*.


agree lets twitt only true stuff ..

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February 10, 2014, 12:24:03 PM
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Simple mode....

ACTUAL/NOW/CURRENT:

1) you send 1000 NXT and NXT 1 fee
2) shows that balance (false) / show is received at the destination (false)
3) it is effective in 1440 confirmations (after 48 hours)
4) someone forge the commission NXT

WITH CANCEL:

1) you send 1000 NXT and NXT 1 fee
2) shows that balance (false) / show is received at the destination (false)
3) you cancel the transfer before the confirmation 800 (~24 hours). you recover the amount, the recipient returns to its normal amount. 
4) someone forge the commission NXT

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Because you think DGEX and the other sites take so long to process transactions? Are not congested. Are only waiting for 1440 confirmations.


I don't know what you are trying to say here. Nxt transactions are irreversible. You don't have to wait for 1440 confirmations . After 10 confirmations (around 10 minutes) merchant can ship product. I would ship it even after one confirmation.

You suggestions doesn't make any sense. This will make Nxt almost useless currency, or at least the slowest currency in the world. 24 hours before a seller can send you product?

No thanks.




okay, send your product after 10 minutes Wink just crossing the fingers that it is not a fork.

you can notify DGEX to send and receive your deposits in 10 minutes. lol
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February 10, 2014, 12:24:28 PM
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what does this mean? It does not affect the forging,right?

I'm the owner of 88.198.142.92,  I upgrade the vps to 0.7.2 several hours ago, so far works fine,
don't known why the invalid timestamp.

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February 10, 2014, 12:25:27 PM
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The Nxt community is so defensive with its marketing strategies sometimes you should come up with a little more aggression (positive aggression^^).

Am not so much against being aggressive in marketing - but I think there is a bit of a difference between that and using FUD (even if that FUD originates from what was once the largest Bitcoin exchange).

I don't see that as "positive" but instead quite negative (in the same way that many political ads are constructed).

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February 10, 2014, 12:26:43 PM
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2 questions:

Any idea when about the decentralized exchange will be ready to use?

Is nxt vulnerable to the Transaction Malleability problem bitcoin has?
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February 10, 2014, 12:28:16 PM
Last edit: February 10, 2014, 02:35:07 PM by fmiboy
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UPDATE: ClieNXT GUI

version 0.0.5 [code name] AE testnet

* this version solely works with testnet server http://holms.cloudapp.net:6874/
* Asset Exchange window has major features

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https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/downloads/clienxt_005.zip


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* Windows users unzip the archive and run Clienxt.jar file
* Linux users unzip the archive and run in terminal ./clienxt.run &
* Mac users unzip the archive and run in terminal ./clienxt.run & (not tested, working on creating *.app file or *.pkg installer)

* Languages English, Russian only Asset Exchange window translations are missing.

NB: don't use your own accounts on "testnet"

click Unlock button to open new or existing accounts on "testnet" (unlock and watch if you have more accounts)
go to Asset Exchange window and start Trading

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All available Assets


Issue Asset (fill all fields and Issue Asset, min. fee 1000)


Transfer Asset (select account that is added in Unlock window, it will detect all available Assets with their amount, fill rest fields and Transfer Asset)


My orders (all Ask and Bid orders for selected account)


Context menu (select any Asset and right click)


View Open orders (for selected Asset)


Place Order (ask or bid order for selected Asset, enter price 100 that will be considered 1, minimum price is 100)


Cancel Order (in My orders, you can select your order and right click to cancel order)


Cancel order window (requires only secret Phrase of account that placed same order)


Trade history (history of all trades for selected Asset)



Please report bugs or feature request here: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/issues?status=new&status=open
Once client is tested, we can use it tomorrow without an issue!
Translators are very much welcome! The more languages we have the more people test Asset Exchange tomorrow.

Translators can find word list in Bundle.Properties (everything right side of "=" needs translation) here: https://bitbucket.org/fmiboy/clienxt/src/0a35a05b7786b2c3cf1e69ca16c0bbd48d8f953c/src/clienxt/Bundle.properties?at=master

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February 10, 2014, 12:28:37 PM
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February 10, 2014, 12:29:32 PM
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Raising awareness.

IMO that is the *wrong* way to do it - and is only going to motivate other coins to start posting FUD memes about Nxt in retaliation.

Well, your statement is flawed. If it raises awareness and starts retaliation, then we got two consequences not 'only [motivating retaliation]'.

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You definitely does. But, who's able to know what the consequences are?

There is one rule: what can be done, will be done. So, if we don't do it, others will eventually.
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February 10, 2014, 12:29:37 PM
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tell you DGEX to send and receive your deposits in 10 minutes. lol


I don't know what Dgex problems are but I can use bter to sell and buy Nxt within minutes.

This is DGex problem, not Nxt.

Would you buy online clips (porn or not)  with Nxt if you get the download link AFTER  24 hours?

That will make Nxt useless.

Even bitcoin with 10 minute for one confirmation is faster.


I will accept Nxt as a merchant with even one confirmation (1 minute), but I won't accept Nxt if transactions are reversible for 24 hours.

I would rather then find a better currency.

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February 10, 2014, 12:30:06 PM
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Correction: NXT is as safe as gold.

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February 10, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
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There is one rule: what can be done, will be done. So, if we don't do it, others will eventually.

Hmm... "those that live in glass houses would be advised to not get into the habit of throwing stones". Wink

And +1 for the second meme with the little child in it (very clearly illustrates the maturity of it).

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February 10, 2014, 12:32:06 PM
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So let's bury/ignore the idea with possibility of canceling transactions.

Moving on.
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February 10, 2014, 12:35:55 PM
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Would be really dumb not to cancel transactions if equally "are not real" until they reach the 1440 confirmations.
I can pay you now, but will have to wait until 1440 to be effective confirmations. that is, it is not real.
and 1440 confirmations are 48 hours!

if you can not cancel, so I have to wait 1440 confirmations? make it immediately effective and voila!
I don't like the idea of being able to cancel transactions.
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Okay, it was just an idea.  Sad
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Oh, I should mention we do have something similar but in reverse: referenced transactions.  It is possible to link transactions in such a way that if an original transaction is orphaned (or otherwise cancelled), the linked transaction (be it AE or a service provider's action, etc) can be automatically cancelled in return so a product or service isn't given for free.

Just FYI.

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February 10, 2014, 12:37:03 PM
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will color coins be included with nxt? and if so will nxt be first to market with color coins?
Colored coin will support many crypto,Nxt also may be included.
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February 10, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
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I don't know what Dgex problems are but I can use bter to sell and buy Nxt within minutes.

This is DGex problem, not Nxt.

Would you buy online clips (porn or not)  with Nxt if you get the download link AFTER  24 hours?

That will make Nxt useless.

Even bitcoin with 10 minute for one confirmation is faster.


I will accept Nxt with one confirmation (1 minute), but I won't accept Nxt if transactions are reversible for 24 hours.
Yes, I understand the point that cancel transactions is a bad idea.

but the problem with DGEX(and another's) is really NXT...
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