Economic Devastation

[Mr.Anonymous]

economic devastation will always occur...the difference between rich and casual grows in the world... therefore in one regions everything will remain bad, and the other will develop...unfortunately, this is the reality of the modern world...it's not profitable for anyone, that "everyone are happy and rich"

Thanks to this truth, the world does not become boring. Imagine a world does not have competition, I will not want to do anything because I can have money without work hard. Earn money and enjoy amount you earned, it is a simple happiness when you work.

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[thoerz18]

The country that will always be an easy target of the target market of various products of the countries of the world. At this time, because our people's purchasing power is weak, then the various types of products that come, are various low quality products coming from China with very cheap price. Even the marketing net has reached the street vendors throughout Indonesia. As a result, all existing domestic production has been destroyed by numerous factories of plastics and textiles and carpentry tools, children's toys out of business.

[thejaytiesto]

Wow I was reading iamnotback's comments and remembered r0ach, almost forgot about this guy. Where did he sell again? like under $2000? and went all in on metals? what a fuck up. Gold's not looking too good for the time being:



Not many support lines after that. I hope that small green candle is the start of a recovery for these still holding gold. And the weekly chart looks even worse. It's below the 50 day moving average approaching the 200 dmv.

Good luck with your investment goals in 2018.

[HalfDeck]

Wow I was reading iamnotback's comments and remembered r0ach, almost forgot about this guy. Where did he sell again? like under $2000? and went all in on metals? what a fuck up. Gold's not looking too good for the time being:



Not many support lines after that. I hope that small green candle is the start of a recovery for these still holding gold. And the weekly chart looks even worse. It's below the 50 day moving average approaching the 200 dmv.

Good luck with your investment goals in 2018.

Hmm, it seems the investors are selling Gold to have money for Christmas and new year. My family usually buy more Gold for our saving in this time, because we understand the mentality of investors want to have money for their party these events.

[sidhujag]

Wow I was reading iamnotback's comments and remembered r0ach, almost forgot about this guy. Where did he sell again? like under $2000? and went all in on metals? what a fuck up. Gold's not looking too good for the time being:



Not many support lines after that. I hope that small green candle is the start of a recovery for these still holding gold. And the weekly chart looks even worse. It's below the 50 day moving average approaching the 200 dmv.

Good luck with your investment goals in 2018.

He sold under $600 but says he didnt basically all he did was he sold all his btc then had some alts and sold them for btc so he had a tiny bit of btc left not sure of he sold that but he did go ballz in yet has odacity to try to tell people he didnt lol anyone with 2 peas in their head can his shift in sentiment aswell as downward equity trajectory. Well some people arent meant to see success and become their own biggest enemies this guy is a perfect example. Fails to see the forest from the trees. Roach got exterminated but still hangs around trying to convince himself that metals are a savior to our banking system heh.

[thejaytiesto]

Wow I was reading iamnotback's comments and remembered r0ach, almost forgot about this guy. Where did he sell again? like under $2000? and went all in on metals? what a fuck up. Gold's not looking too good for the time being:



Not many support lines after that. I hope that small green candle is the start of a recovery for these still holding gold. And the weekly chart looks even worse. It's below the 50 day moving average approaching the 200 dmv.

Good luck with your investment goals in 2018.

He sold under $600 but says he didnt basically all he did was he sold all his btc then had some alts and sold them for btc so he had a tiny bit of btc left not sure of he sold that but he did go ballz in yet has odacity to try to tell people he didnt lol anyone with 2 peas in their head can his shift in sentiment aswell as downward equity trajectory. Well some people arent meant to see success and become their own biggest enemies this guy is a perfect example. Fails to see the forest from the trees. Roach got exterminated but still hangs around trying to convince himself that metals are a savior to our banking system heh.

Oh fuck, $600? that's unfortunate.. wasn't he a whale? That's crazy. And like I said... gold just broke that floor and it's going lower, it's not looking good to be frank.. but at this point, I don't know what I would do if I was him. Selling your gold position at a loss would suck, and getting back into BTC right now with the risk of a big correction happening would suck, but you could also miss the breakthrough to $20k+ and further moonings, while gold goes down to test $1123.. and who knows if that is broken below $1000? (worst case scenario). We'll see. Im just holding BTC for the time being, and still researching altcoins in the 1% chance that I miss an actual hidden gem worth investing some at.

[sidhujag]

Wow I was reading iamnotback's comments and remembered r0ach, almost forgot about this guy. Where did he sell again? like under $2000? and went all in on metals? what a fuck up. Gold's not looking too good for the time being:



Not many support lines after that. I hope that small green candle is the start of a recovery for these still holding gold. And the weekly chart looks even worse. It's below the 50 day moving average approaching the 200 dmv.

Good luck with your investment goals in 2018.

He sold under $600 but says he didnt basically all he did was he sold all his btc then had some alts and sold them for btc so he had a tiny bit of btc left not sure of he sold that but he did go ballz in yet has odacity to try to tell people he didnt lol anyone with 2 peas in their head can his shift in sentiment aswell as downward equity trajectory. Well some people arent meant to see success and become their own biggest enemies this guy is a perfect example. Fails to see the forest from the trees. Roach got exterminated but still hangs around trying to convince himself that metals are a savior to our banking system heh.

Oh fuck, $600? that's unfortunate.. wasn't he a whale? That's crazy. And like I said... gold just broke that floor and it's going lower, it's not looking good to be frank.. but at this point, I don't know what I would do if I was him. Selling your gold position at a loss would suck, and getting back into BTC right now with the risk of a big correction happening would suck, but you could also miss the breakthrough to $20k+ and further moonings, while gold goes down to test $1123.. and who knows if that is broken below $1000? (worst case scenario). We'll see. Im just holding BTC for the time being, and still researching altcoins in the 1% chance that I miss an actual hidden gem worth investing some at.

Dont think he was a whale by any means. Check out Syscoin its the one I developed. Its probably the most promising alt out of top 10 but I am biased do not take my word dyor. Thanks!

[kkhercules]

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[Rakesh_alejandro]

Even tougher to take someone seriously who infers that I am a socialist based on the content of my post.  You really come across like a frothy-mouthed fool despite your intelligence in some areas.  Is this your intent?

If not, you might want to reconsider your approach.

I think some economists have written about this as early as 2003, so this is not so hot news for those who keep up with the latest developments.
It's still valid, and will be valid for a while.

[Indra32]

Shit that dress was gold and white again and slowly morphed to blue and black over about 3 seconds! Is anybody else getting this effect?

I think as long as constituents have a way to opt out or inculcate positive feedback on / keep government alignments.
From what I have read, a benign dictatorship seems to be the only form of government that can survive and govern for the benefit of its regulated constituency.

[nur rochid]

Hopefully with a bitcoin can save the world economy from devastation. We all know, too much currency makes many problems in global trade, many countries that do not want to use another country's currency so that they use the strongest currencies.

i think they are not using the strongest currency but using most stable currency in the world that is usd, if you see the gold chart indicates that downtrend to support below

[Gufeng]

Society without cash is the future, but to make it more effective into the entire operations each government needs to accept the digital currencies

[Paimav]

Art is used in drug deals in place of cash as high value tokens of exchange, hence stolen art though it cannot be sold properly is used in this way and with alot less effort then collecting suitcases of dollars. All that time they were there and trying to dismount the militia type occupation, they should have enabled as much wireless broadband as possible. 

[Wekkel]

The changes are going slow.... and suddenly fast 

I think Bitcoin already is de facto World Currency. The rest is just the recognition and subsequent adaption phase.

[STT]

It'll cost a lot more to build a robot to clean a hotel room than a human

Depends how you view that taking place, we already have automatic hovering bots right.   The cost of a human is the labour rate and other overheads, also a human is in some cases less able perhaps more noisy more bulky and not available 24/7

Its very possible for automation to challenge human labour in a few places I think.   Not every country has cheap labour, some have a labour shortage.  Naturally humans are better used then just for cleaning up dirt, a good market would make the most of the basic resource

Economic devastation would result in a system off kilter, not self adjusting or realising positive conclusions like this.  Hence the break down brings a halt to a failing system, its some kind of positive in that the rebuilding from that devastation is a better more resilient economy I hope.

[fr4nkthetank]

I dont agree that it would cost more.  If you factor in all costs - externalities - of low paying jobs for example, like cleaning a hotel, you find that we pay a high price for shit paid jobs.  Poverty.  Higher crime.  Higher health problems.  Social problems.  People stuck in poverty, etc.  There is no reason for people to do shit work for shit pay, when a robot can.  Instead society can pay a minimum income to all and so we will be free to pursue other things in life, like learning new things, etc.

[InKiTy38]

What is the economic devastation you think? If we invest in property losses for corruption and other related problems, the economy will be exhausted and it will slowly deteriorate and slow the economy

[gandhe83]

The changes are going slow.... and suddenly fast 

I think Bitcoin already is de facto World Currency. The rest is just the recognition and subsequent adaption phase.

Exactly. I think so. The economy is changing slowly and then the changes are unpredictable. Make sure bicoin is the currency of the whole world and I expect high on it. In the future people will gradually adapt to it, and it is possible that bitcoin is used universally for the whole community. I think so.

[alfs75]

You will probably need a week or two of studying the thread slowly.

I will be the first to admit I needed a week or two to fully absorb the following works of AnonyMint.

The Rise of Knowledge
Understand Everything Fundamentally

Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read.

If the author is right and I think he is we are all in the midst of a tragedy of epic proportions.  It is sad unstoppable and will devastate the lives of much of humanity.

Actually the words devastation is to ruined or destroy  the the economic growth ,but in the place of digital currency investment,this is not devastating the progress of economy instead its help to promote the growth of economy,and social responsibility by means of capitalize country,therefore economic devastation is only for those bussiness that can destroy the economy and humanity just like those illegal activities.

[IadixDev]

I will take example with turing machin and OO programing, maybe it will be clearer what i'm talking about =) As the concept of entropy is quasi inexistant with turing machine, and like this we know we are not talking about something mystical

And i think it can interest also shelby because he is into this sort of problematics with language design lol

The problem is this conceptions from metaphysics to organize the world based on fundemental 'objects' with properties, and 'entelechy' , which is abtracted with the OO semantic of having class of objects with properties and 'entelechy' through the alteration of its state by its methods.

So far good, but then the problem is when you want to program interaction between all the different type of object that can be present in the world, with OO programming generally it become quickly a design problem.

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Either you do a visitor class for each pair of objects, and then each time you add a new type of object, you need to add visitor class for all the combination that the new object can interact with, but it's still bogus from metaphysical point of view because it mean the interaction between the object are not contained in the object themselves, but applied from the exterior through a visitor class that visit the two object in questions.

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This whole design of hard typed object make emergent property very hard to program and conceptualize.

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I would agree that in Turing machines the concept of entropy is quasi inexistant. Most of the time it is entirely absent.

Turing machines:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_machine

In his 1948 essay, "Intelligent Machinery", Turing wrote that his machine consisted of:

...an unlimited memory capacity obtained in the form of an infinite tape marked out into squares, on each of which a symbol could be printed. At any moment there is one symbol in the machine; it is called the scanned symbol. The machine can alter the scanned symbol, and its behavior is in part determined by that symbol, but the symbols on the tape elsewhere do not affect the behavior of the machine. However, the tape can be moved back and forth through the machine, this being one of the elementary operations of the machine. Any symbol on the tape may therefore eventually have an innings. (Turing 1948, p. 3[18]

The underlined portion is the key reason for both a lack of emergence and subsequently the lack of conceptual entropy in Turing machines.

In a standard Turing machine the symbols on the tape do not ultimately change the nature of the machine (even if those symbols have been previously read). This is because the typical Turing machine draws from a finite table of instructions which are ultimately fixed and invariant.  

Thus the Turing machine with a fixed and finite table is a simple system regardless of how complex and long that table may be unless you allow the table of instructions to be dynamically and permanently altered based on the tape readings.

As programming languages have a fixed set of basic code they are simple Turing machines. However computer programming language in general is something more and represents a complex system. The programmers using them are the equivalent of a tape that applies dynamic updates to the instruction table. Thus over time we have seen the progression from assembly language to C++ as discussed in your links above.

I am not going to be helpful in a technical discussion of how to add emergence to a programmed system as I am not a programmer but I will address one of your points.

You appear to arguing (in the bolded section above) that if the interaction between objects are not contained in the objects themselves but requite an external observer/visitor state then the system is not valid from metaphysical point of view. If I understand you correctly you are arguing that a programmed system must be complete to be metaphysically valid.

Completeness is never possible. For a discussion on this point I would refer you to an excellent write up by Perry Marshall: The Limits of Science and Programming

“Without mathematics we cannot penetrate deeply into philosophy.
Without philosophy we cannot penetrate deeply into mathematics.
Without both we cannot penetrate deeply into anything.”

-Leibniz

The example with turing machine is to show you can have non determinism without the concept of entropy Emergent property are example of non determinist algorithm who can run on turing machine.

It's more that if you want to take a physic model to apply it with coding algorithm, and there is no algebric solution but only algorithmic ones, after it's hard to find the 'correct' model to represent the interaction to have still a minimum of consistency in the high level definition of the thing.

Finally found the ultimate model to solve those question

http://tuvalu.santafe.edu/~walter/AlChemy/Statement/organization.html