Re: Mining pools list

[specgamer]

How would I join, do I have to pay a fee of some sort to enrol in a pool?

[1714180799]

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[organofcorti]

How would I join, do I have to pay a fee of some sort to enrol in a pool?

Go to the pool's website and see how to join up. You usually don't have to pay a fee to join, just a percentage of income.

[lauraallen]

I would like mining one but for all

[jt4590]

Bitcoin and Altcoin pool. (I'll post altcoin information in the proper thread. This is for the Bitcoin pool.)

Pool:      Tux's Coinpool
Website:   www.altcoinaltpool.net
Proxy:      No
Gen addr:   16Zec538DisiM24XFvfAty8n5MEqpaeJen
Payout:      Proportional
Fee:      2%
Pay Tx:      No
Vardiff:   20SPM
Local Work:   Stratum
Orphans:   No
Min Wthdrl:   .01
Merge Mine:   No, TBA

[organofcorti]

Bitcoin and Altcoin pool. (I'll post altcoin information in the proper thread. This is for the Bitcoin pool.)

Pool:      Tux's Coinpool
Website:   www.altcoinaltpool.net
Proxy:      No
Gen addr:   16Zec538DisiM24XFvfAty8n5MEqpaeJen
Payout:      Proportional
Fee:      2%
Pay Tx:      No
Vardiff:   20SPM
Local Work:   Stratum
Orphans:   No
Min Wthdrl:   .01
Merge Mine:   No, TBA

A quick question before I update the list - are you sure you want to reward your miner's proportionally, given the problems that can cause? http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5072/what-is-pool-hopping

[abracadabra]

That's true, but as kano wrote, the expected value for any share submitted before 0.43*difficulty is greater than the expected value of any share submitted before after 0.43*difficulty.

[jt4590]

Bitcoin and Altcoin pool. (I'll post altcoin information in the proper thread. This is for the Bitcoin pool.)

Pool:      Tux's Coinpool
Website:   www.altcoinaltpool.net
Proxy:      No
Gen addr:   16Zec538DisiM24XFvfAty8n5MEqpaeJen
Payout:      Proportional
Fee:      2%
Pay Tx:      No
Vardiff:   20SPM
Local Work:   Stratum
Orphans:   No
Min Wthdrl:   .01
Merge Mine:   No, TBA

A quick question before I update the list - are you sure you want to reward your miner's proportionally, given the problems that can cause? http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5072/what-is-pool-hopping

Thank you for the links, I read up on all of that.
I'm actually looking into converting my pool over to PPLNS or DGM, but for now I'm running coiniumserv and learning all of the ins and outs.

For example, a miner joined one of my altcoin pools today (ACOIN) and one of the DB columns for the currency was too small. (It was VARCHAR(4) instead of at least VARCHAR(5))

So the payment didn't go out when it was supposed to, but it has been corrected and the miner was manually reimbursed more than what they mined since I didn't have it setup correctly.


Anyway, any pointers, tips, ways to convert to PPLNS or DGM... it's all appreciated and I will read it and do my best to apply it.



Anyone who needs to contact me about the pool can do so at jt4590@gmail.com. I always read all of my emails and will do my best to respond to requests and inquiries in a timely manner.

[organofcorti]

That's true, but as kano wrote, the expected value for any share submitted before 0.43*difficulty is greater than the expected value of any share submitted before after 0.43*difficulty.

Gah! I feel stupid.

[organofcorti]

Bitcoin and Altcoin pool. (I'll post altcoin information in the proper thread. This is for the Bitcoin pool.)

Pool:      Tux's Coinpool
Website:   www.altcoinaltpool.net
Proxy:      No
Gen addr:   16Zec538DisiM24XFvfAty8n5MEqpaeJen
Payout:      Proportional
Fee:      2%
Pay Tx:      No
Vardiff:   20SPM
Local Work:   Stratum
Orphans:   No
Min Wthdrl:   .01
Merge Mine:   No, TBA

A quick question before I update the list - are you sure you want to reward your miner's proportionally, given the problems that can cause? http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/5072/what-is-pool-hopping

Thank you for the links, I read up on all of that.
I'm actually looking into converting my pool over to PPLNS or DGM, but for now I'm running coiniumserv and learning all of the ins and outs.

For example, a miner joined one of my altcoin pools today (ACOIN) and one of the DB columns for the currency was too small. (It was VARCHAR(4) instead of at least VARCHAR(5))

So the payment didn't go out when it was supposed to, but it has been corrected and the miner was manually reimbursed more than what they mined since I didn't have it setup correctly.


Anyway, any pointers, tips, ways to convert to PPLNS or DGM... it's all appreciated and I will read it and do my best to apply it.



Anyone who needs to contact me about the pool can do so at jt4590@gmail.com. I always read all of my emails and will do my best to respond to requests and inquiries in a timely manner.

OK folks, we have a prop pool listed for the first time in a long time.

[abracadabra]

That's true, but as kano wrote, the expected value for any share submitted before 0.43*difficulty is greater than the expected value of any share submitted before after 0.43*difficulty.

Gah! I feel stupid.

meh.... i'm sure it was just a typo.. nw

[abracadabra]

OK folks, we have a prop pool listed for the first time in a long time.

* abracadabra fires up bithopper

[os2sam]

OK folks, we have a prop pool listed for the first time in a long time.

* abracadabra fires up bithopper

It's good to work out those GPU's from time to time

[DrHaribo]

How much extra could pool hoppers make? 50%? I guess it required many proportional pools to hop between though. And I guess Slush's pool is much less profitable to pool hop than a prop pool.

[-ck]

And I guess Slush's pool is much less profitable to pool hop than a prop pool.

Slush moved from his exponential scoring system to PPLNS with a very short N instead. He just never posted an announcement here since he's abandoned the forum as a support channel.

[os2sam]

And I guess Slush's pool is much less profitable to pool hop than a prop pool.

Slush moved from his exponential scoring system to PPLNS with a very short N instead. He just never posted an announcement here since he's abandoned the forum as a support channel.

So does the very short N make it hoppable?

[-ck]

So does the very short N make it hoppable?

No because he still pays the last N which is the key to making it unhoppable. I'm trying to envision if there might be some way to strategically mine going back and forth between two pools where the N ends up being wildly different durations but I can't think of one. OOC might be able to chime in here.

[DrHaribo]

So does the very short N make it hoppable?

Nope. That would mean it is not hoppable.

With just one hoppable pool I dunno if pool hoppers would make much extra.

Maybe with alt coin pools. I think proportional is more common there?

[organofcorti]

How much extra could pool hoppers make? 50%? I guess it required many proportional pools to hop between though.

Meni Rosenfeld derived an equation which approximates this (Table B1 in https://bitcoil.co.il/pool_analysis.pdf):

E(no fallback) = m*log(m)/(m-1)
E = expected share value multiplier, m = number of proportional pools.

To get 1.5x (as you suggested) you'd need three prop pools if you weren't using any fair pools in between prop rounds (no fallback). If you use a fair pool in between prop rounds, then you expect better than 1.5 from only two prop pools.

And I guess Slush's pool is much less profitable to pool hop than a prop pool.

As ck wrote, I think Slush's is no longer hoppable, some kind of PPLNS with an exponentially decaying n.

OK folks, we have a prop pool listed for the first time in a long time.

* abracadabra fires up bithopper

It's good to work out those GPU's from time to time

Couldn't you use an ASIC with bitHopper?

[organofcorti]

So does the very short N make it hoppable?

No because he still pays the last N which is the key to making it unhoppable. I'm trying to envision if there might be some way to strategically mine going back and forth between two pools where the N ends up being wildly different durations but I can't think of one. OOC might be able to chime in here.

General PPLNS is provably fair, regardless of N. Even if N was just the last share, it would be still fair (and equivalent to solomining). I think Slush's version should be fair, but I can't be certain without a proof.

[infernoman]

This post is designed as a handy short cut to help you find your favourite pool's forum thread, or shop for a new pool. The hashrate is an average based on a pool's published statistics for the week, unless that pool does not publish round history on API or html, in which case it's the hashrate when the list was updated. I'll endeavour to add more pools as I can.

If you are interested in alt-coins, try the Alt-coins Mining Pools List: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=374454.0



If any miners need more information than appears in the list, post here. If there are any mistakes, pool ops please reply in the thread.

NOTE FOR BITCOIN POOL OPERATORS: If your pool doesn't appear here please post the pool's statistics in the following format:

Pool:                      <Pool name>
Website:                 <Pool URL>
Proxy:                    Are you a proxy pool? Options: Yes / No
Generation address:  If you are not a proxy pool, what is the address to which block rewards are paid?
Coinbase signature: If you sign the coinbase, what string do you use to identify your blocks?
Payout method:        eg DGM, PPLNS, PPS
Fee:                        Percentage of reward taken as fee
Pay Tx Reward:        Do you pay the tx fees to the miners?
Vardiff:                   options: "User defined" or if automatic quote the shares per minute you're aiming at, eg "20 SPM"
Local Work:             options: stratum / gbt / p2pool
Pay Orphans:           Do you reward miners even if a block is orphaned? Options: Yes / no.
Min Withdrawal:       What is the minimum amount a miner can withdraw?
Merge Mining:          Options: Yes / No

Pool:                      Infernopool
Website:                 Infernopool.com
Proxy:                    No
Generation address:  Multipool
Coinbase signature:  No Coinbase signature
Payout method:        Prop
Fee:                       4%
Pay Tx Reward:        Yes
Vardiff:                   20 SPM
Local Work:             Stratum
Pay Orphans:           No
Min Withdrawal:       0.001
Merge Mining:          No