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August 30, 2012, 04:55:20 PM
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Not to forget ABCPool.co ;-)

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Each block is stacked on top of the previous one. Adding another block to the top makes all lower blocks more difficult to remove: there is more "weight" above each block. A transaction in a block 6 blocks deep (6 confirmations) will be very difficult to remove.
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August 30, 2012, 05:07:39 PM
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Doesn't P2Pool effectively have a 0.5% fee? From the wiki:

"A subsidy of 0.5% is sent to the node that solved the block in order to discourage not sharing solutions that qualify as a block. (A miner with the aim to harm others could withhold the block, thereby preventing anybody from getting paid. He can NOT redirect the payout to himself.) The remaining 99.5% is distributed evenly to miners based on work done recently."

(on the other hand, if you can beat the network stale rate, you can make more than usual)
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August 30, 2012, 05:15:08 PM
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Doesn't P2Pool effectively have a 0.5% fee? From the wiki:

"A subsidy of 0.5% is sent to the node that solved the block in order to discourage not sharing solutions that qualify as a block. (A miner with the aim to harm others could withhold the block, thereby preventing anybody from getting paid. He can NOT redirect the payout to himself.) The remaining 99.5% is distributed evenly to miners based on work done recently."

(on the other hand, if you can beat the network stale rate, you can make more than usual)

You can set that to zero or 0.01% or whatever you like.
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August 30, 2012, 11:07:13 PM
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Not to forget ABCPool.co ;-)

I was thinking that the list have a separate for proxy pools. Or does that not matter? I could add another column to indicate a pool's "proxiness".


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August 30, 2012, 11:46:56 PM
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Not to forget ABCPool.co ;-)

I was thinking that the list have a separate for proxy pools. Or does that not matter? I could add another column to indicate a pool's "proxiness".



maybe a second list
1st list : pools that mine on their own bitcoind
2nd list: proxy services that redirect work to someone else bitcoind
http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/top.php is a good list of pools too Smiley

just an idea Smiley

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August 31, 2012, 01:47:31 AM
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Not to forget ABCPool.co ;-)

I was thinking that the list have a separate for proxy pools. Or does that not matter? I could add another column to indicate a pool's "proxiness".



maybe a second list
1st list : pools that mine on their own bitcoind
2nd list: proxy services that redirect work to someone else bitcoind
http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/top.php is a good list of pools too Smiley

just an idea Smiley

OK, second list for proxies when I get home today.

Using blockorigin is a good idea - I'll use it for pools that don't publish hashrate statistics, using the % blocks as % hashrate. Will be a little inaccurate, but will save time.


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August 31, 2012, 01:57:33 AM
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Doesn't P2Pool effectively have a 0.5% fee? From the wiki:

"A subsidy of 0.5% is sent to the node that solved the block in order to discourage not sharing solutions that qualify as a block. (A miner with the aim to harm others could withhold the block, thereby preventing anybody from getting paid. He can NOT redirect the payout to himself.) The remaining 99.5% is distributed evenly to miners based on work done recently."

(on the other hand, if you can beat the network stale rate, you can make more than usual)
but that's assuming you'll never solve a block. it may increase the variance, but it's not holding out on any coins.

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August 31, 2012, 02:16:11 AM
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Doesn't P2Pool effectively have a 0.5% fee? From the wiki:

"A subsidy of 0.5% is sent to the node that solved the block in order to discourage not sharing solutions that qualify as a block. (A miner with the aim to harm others could withhold the block, thereby preventing anybody from getting paid. He can NOT redirect the payout to himself.) The remaining 99.5% is distributed evenly to miners based on work done recently."

(on the other hand, if you can beat the network stale rate, you can make more than usual)
but that's assuming you'll never solve a block. it may increase the variance, but it's not holding out on any coins.

Yes, sorry I didn't reply before. Grue is right - the expected value of any submitted share is still B/D. The block finder reward slightly increases variance for all miners, but doesn't change the average amount earned.

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August 31, 2012, 03:43:38 AM
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Doesn't P2Pool effectively have a 0.5% fee? From the wiki:

"A subsidy of 0.5% is sent to the node that solved the block in order to discourage not sharing solutions that qualify as a block. (A miner with the aim to harm others could withhold the block, thereby preventing anybody from getting paid. He can NOT redirect the payout to himself.) The remaining 99.5% is distributed evenly to miners based on work done recently."

(on the other hand, if you can beat the network stale rate, you can make more than usual)

You can set that to zero or 0.01% or whatever you like.

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of author donations, not the subsidy. But others have answered the question to my satisfaction. Smiley
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September 02, 2012, 10:47:04 AM
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Itzod actually pays Tx fees and invalid blocks (not stales)  Cool

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September 02, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
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Itzod actually pays Tx fees and invalid blocks (not stales)  Cool


Fixed and updated for the week.  I'll get around to adding a column for invalid blocks at some point.

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September 02, 2012, 03:01:50 PM
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Mt. Red pays out Tx fees: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=15929.msg1128200#msg1128200

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September 02, 2012, 03:06:07 PM
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And strangely enough I knew that! I have no idea how I ended up listing it incorrectly. Fixed now, thanks for pointing it out.

Anyone see any other errors, please point them out.

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September 02, 2012, 10:35:33 PM
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You have pay stales and tx fees. What about invalid blocks?

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September 03, 2012, 01:22:34 AM
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You have pay stales and tx fees. What about invalid blocks?
I'll add it before next week.

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September 06, 2012, 03:54:55 PM
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Suggestion: Order the list by hashrate. (Or payment method? Or both?)

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Suggestion: Order the list by hashrate. (Or payment method? Or both?)

Thanks for the feedback, ShadesOfMarble. But this thread is more about replacing the "Top 10 pools" sticky. If you'd like the pools in order of hashrate, try the weekly pool stats thread.

I like the idea of making the payment method easier to find though. If I made sections for each reward method, would that work for you? Would anyone else object?

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September 06, 2012, 05:28:04 PM
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I like the idea of making the payment method easier to find though. If I made sections for each reawrd method, would that work for you?
Yes. I think that makes it easier too find a pool... I don't know how other people do it, but when I'm looking for a new pool, I first decide which payment scheme I'd like to have. Then I take fees and/or size of the pool into consideration.

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September 07, 2012, 02:26:52 AM
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I don't know how many people would need this information, but listing what ports each pool accepted work on would have been helpful to me a few weeks ago.

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September 07, 2012, 02:43:03 AM
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I don't know how many people would need this information, but listing what ports each pool accepted work on would have been helpful to me a few weeks ago.

I'll do it if it doesn't make the table too messy. It may take a while to collect all the data though - anyone volunteering? Smiley

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