Re: Mining pools list

[organofcorti]

P2Pool proxies have been moved to the top since I'd like to see P2Pool get a bit more traction from miners that are not prepared to set up their own client.

[os2sam]

I can't speak for raskul on that one. I'm not directly involved, we're just friends. To my knowledge, that's the only system NOMP supports at present, but I'll leave that to him to answer. I assume you're concerned with hopping?

Not concerned, just surprised. I'll list it as is then.

In today's mining environment would/could hopping really be an issue?

Is hopping even taking place anymore?

Impossible to say, DeepBit haven't solved a block since late last year, and Slush isn't being hopped. I bet hopping would return if there were any large standard prop pools. You could probably set something up using ifttt ! 

If pool hopping did pickup in earnest again.  Would it really matter?  Would it really hurt uninformed miners?  Or would it help uninformed miners at this point?

[organofcorti]

I can't speak for raskul on that one. I'm not directly involved, we're just friends. To my knowledge, that's the only system NOMP supports at present, but I'll leave that to him to answer. I assume you're concerned with hopping?

Not concerned, just surprised. I'll list it as is then.

In today's mining environment would/could hopping really be an issue?

Is hopping even taking place anymore?

Impossible to say, DeepBit haven't solved a block since late last year, and Slush isn't being hopped. I bet hopping would return if there were any large standard prop pools. You could probably set something up using ifttt ! 

If pool hopping did pickup in earnest again.  Would it really matter?  Would it really hurt uninformed miners?  Or would it help uninformed miners at this point?

It would matter to me - I only just added the pool, and then they get to 0.43*D shares and everyone leaves, pool closes and I have to delete them from the list.

[os2sam]

It would matter to me - I only just added the pool, and then they get to 0.43*D shares and everyone leaves, pool closes and I have to delete them from the list.

I guess we'll see.

[WheresWaldo]

GHash.io still dominating?

[BitcoinTraders]

I am having a lot of trouble getting any of these to work! Every time I end up wasting hours and not making a dime haha, if anyone has any suggestions, please hit me up. Thanks!

[os2sam]

I am having a lot of trouble getting any of these to work! Every time I end up wasting hours and not making a dime haha, if anyone has any suggestions, please hit me up. Thanks!

If your having trouble with a pool try posting in the pools support forum.

[stevegee58]

I am having a lot of trouble getting any of these to work! Every time I end up wasting hours and not making a dime haha, if anyone has any suggestions, please hit me up. Thanks!

Unless you bought an ASIC miner recently you won't make squat anywhere.  CPU and GPU mining aren't profitable any more.

[Yeeehaaa]

Thanks for this very useful list of mining pools. 

[Min€r]

Hi,

would be nice to get my pool too on the list.

Miningpool.at - http://www.miningpool.at/ - SHA256 & SCRYPT auto-profit switch pool - 1,5%fee - PROP payouts - no registration - Auto-Exchange in BTC

Would be nice to list it too - thx!

[adaryian]

Hello,

I would like to list www.eCurrency.io to the list of pools.

We're an incentive based Bitcoin mining pool.

We're a PPLNS after our incentive fees are placed.  We have a 12% fee structure and how it works is:

10% is taken for the 2.5BTC reward, that is randomly selected to the ACTIVE miners during which the block was found.  We use the service from Random.org to select the winners from their account ID #'s in our database.  There are no back-to-back winners.  If you win the 2.5BTC you will also receive your PPLNS payout reward on top of the 2.5BTC

1% is taken for giveaway promotions.  Typically towards mining equipment, gift cards, direct BTC payouts.  We run those as often as possible depending on how often blocks are found and what the community wants as giveaways.

1% is taken for pool maintenance, upkeep and upgrades.

Donations are optional, but any donations given will go towards the giveaway promotions.

Everyone has an equal chance at winning, since it's a random drawing.  We're looking for more people to mine with at our pool.  So no matter your size 1GH/s or 10TH/s all are welcome.  The more blocks we find the more often and better chance there is that YOU will win the 2.5BTC reward!

www.eCurrency.io

Hope to see everyone there!

[organofcorti]

Hello,

I would like to list www.eCurrency.io to the list of pools.

We're an incentive based Bitcoin mining pool.

We're a PPLNS after our incentive fees are placed.  We have a 12% fee structure and how it works is:

10% is taken for the 2.5BTC reward, that is randomly selected to the ACTIVE miners during which the block was found.  We use the service from Random.org to select the winners from their account ID #'s in our database.  There are no back-to-back winners.  If you win the 2.5BTC you will also receive your PPLNS payout reward on top of the 2.5BTC

1% is taken for giveaway promotions.  Typically towards mining equipment, gift cards, direct BTC payouts.  We run those as often as possible depending on how often blocks are found and what the community wants as giveaways.

1% is taken for pool maintenance, upkeep and upgrades.

Donations are optional, but any donations given will go towards the giveaway promotions.

Everyone has an equal chance at winning, since it's a random drawing.  We're looking for more people to mine with at our pool.  So no matter your size 1GH/s or 10TH/s all are welcome.  The more blocks we find the more often and better chance there is that YOU will win the 2.5BTC reward!

www.eCurrency.io

Hope to see everyone there!

Can you provide the details in the usual format? Example: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104664.msg5223111#msg5223111

[adaryian]

Pool:                    eCurrency.io Bitcoin Incentivized Mining Pool
Website:               http://www.eCurrency.io/
Payout method:      PPLNS
Fee:                     12% (10% for 'Jackpot' (2.5BTC), 1% for giveaways, 1% pool maintenance/upgrades)
Pay Tx Reward:      Yes
Vardiff:                 15spm
Local Work:           Stratum
Pay Orphans:         No
Min Withdrawal:     0.01
Merge Mining:        Soon

[organofcorti]

Pool:                    eCurrency.io Bitcoin Incentivized Mining Pool
Website:               http://www.eCurrency.io/
Payout method:      PPLNS
Fee:                     12% (10% for 'Jackpot' (2.5BTC), 1% for giveaways, 1% pool maintenance/upgrades)
Pay Tx Reward:      Yes
Vardiff:                 15spm
Local Work:           Stratum
Pay Orphans:         No
Min Withdrawal:     0.01
Merge Mining:        Soon

Done.

[azguard]

While I read this everything is the same.

No1 didint mentioned what are port?

Need some pool that can be mined through post 80 or 8080.

I it doesnt have to be only BTC.

[os2sam]

Need some pool that can be mined through post 80 or 8080.

Several pools offer that.  Check the pools web site or support thread.

[DrHaribo]

Can you update the Bitminter minimum withdrawal to 0.0001 BTC? That's one more zero than what is in the list now.

From what I can see miners are being outright scammed by 50BTC these days. Maybe 50BTC should be removed from the list completely, or put in a "scam pools - do not use!" list at the bottom?

A couple users have told me they switched from Bitminter to Ghash because the 1% fee at Bitminter is too much in their opinion. Now they are taking a 1.5% to 2% loss to orphan blocks at Ghash and making less than they did at Bitminter. In this case profitability is the opposite of what you would think from looking at the pool list. They still look at the pool list and think their logic was sound. They may not even know what orphans are.

So here's a suggestion: remove the "pay orphans?" column and insert a new column "loss due to orphans" to the right of the "fee" column. For pools that pay orphaned blocks this can say N/A or "covered by pool". For other pools it can be the orphan rate over the last.. 3 months? Or orphan rate over a certain number of blocks.

If you wanted to get really advanced perhaps it would be possible to calculate a profitability value based on fees, loss to stale work, loss to orphans, income from merged mining, cash out fees, etc. This would be a lot more work though.

[organofcorti]

Can you update the Bitminter minimum withdrawal to 0.0001 BTC? That's one more zero than what is in the list now.

Fixed!

From what I can see miners are being outright scammed by 50BTC these days. Maybe 50BTC should be removed from the list completely, or put in a "scam pools - do not use!" list at the bottom?

Sounds like a good idea. If I get a more similar requests and no comment from 50BTC, I'll do that.

A couple users have told me they switched from Bitminter to Ghash because the 1% fee at Bitminter is too much in their opinion. Now they are taking a 1.5% to 2% loss to orphan blocks at Ghash and making less than they did at Bitminter. In this case profitability is the opposite of what you would think from looking at the pool list. They still look at the pool list and think their logic was sound. They may not even know what orphans are.

So here's a suggestion: remove the "pay orphans?" column and insert a new column "loss due to orphans" to the right of the "fee" column. For pools that pay orphaned blocks this can say N/A or "covered by pool". For other pools it can be the orphan rate over the last.. 3 months? Or orphan rate over a certain number of blocks.

Editing BBCode tables is a PITA which I'd like to avoid.

If you wanted to get really advanced perhaps it would be possible to calculate a profitability value based on fees, loss to stale work, loss to orphans, income from merged mining, cash out fees, etc. This would be a lot more work though.

It's less work than editing BBCode each week. I'll try to come up with some sort of chart, but adding in merged mining and cash out fees is tricky. The APIs I used to use aren't available, and I don't know any very reliable ones.

In the meantime I've included the plot of orphaned block density.

[organofcorti]

Removed all the pools that no longer have functioning URLs.

[adaryian]

Please update eCurrency.  We have tried the incentive based pool but after a few weeks we barely gained any ground.

SPM is now 20
Fee is now 0.75%

Thanks,
Adaryian