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May 30, 2015, 06:18:40 PM
Last edit: July 05, 2017, 05:00:09 AM by skycoin
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Update:

Doing security stuff still.

We are standardizing on an L4 kernel variant called seL4. It is a microkernel which takes ~30 KB of ram and has been formally verified. This is the fastest running kernel and also the most secure. It has about 30,000 lines of code compared to the Linux Kernel's 15 million lines. I want to get this running on a Raspberry pi.

seL4 will work with phone (ARM), Raspberry PI, server or desktop.

I think we will use Genode distribution. It has support for Armory/ARM thumbstick computer. These should be ~$8 or an equivalent available soon. Or can use a raspberry pi.



I want a standardized distribution, that is locked down and can run the Skycoin tool chain and communicate securely over network.

This will give a secure storage/execution environment for Skycoin nodes, communication and key storage. Then will allow deployment of "applications".

I think for windows users, we will just release a small Tinycore that runs in the QEMU emulator (its like Virtual box). Then windows users can have full execution environment and run from source.

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May 30, 2015, 11:07:47 PM
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I've been wanting to do a Tin Foil Easter Bonnet Contest for some time.
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Update:

People are trying to destroy Bitcoin. Gavin and Gmaxwell have made statements about being discouraged or threatening to leave project. I believe there is a group trying to destroy Bitcoin from within. They are pushing for standards and changes that will weaken Bitcoin. They have to get the good people forced off the project and get people under their influence into place. So getting rid of objective people who will fight against objectively bad decisions and are difficult to manipulate with bullshit, is necessary. No matter how many times it is explained with logic, why the decisions they are trying to make, are bad for Bitcoin and in fact unnecessary, they keep pushing them over and over and over again. They are going to grind their opposition down until they give up.

There is going to be a major financial crisis by September or within the next 24 months at the latest. After the last financial crisis, we saw a major uptick in Bitcoin activity and I think they want to get rid of it if they can, sometime during the crisis.

I think there will be attacks on mining pools, 51% attacks, attacks in media to discredit Bitcoin and internal conflicts and fights to split the community. I think the major mining pools will be bought out also and there will be fights to control them.

I am getting conflicting information. I think there is a group that wants to take Bitcoin out and another group that wants to control the pools to stop coins from being dumped and do a major pump and runup, like we saw with gox using fake paper dollars to buy up coins to send price up, before imploding.

I think many of the exchanges are running fractional reserve (they only have a fraction of the Bitcoin they say they have) and they will claim they "were hacked" and the coins stolen. People are buying Bitcoin that dont exist and it is creating "paper Bitcoin" that is suppressing the price. This is the same scam that is used to rig gold prices.

Wall Street and regulations are about running scams. There was company doing derivatives trading strategies and they place an order and before the order is placed, another company gets to see their order and gets to bid the price up/down and front run people on an order by order basis. The company had a strategy that was returning 20% per year, but lost all its profits on "slippage" from being front run. The regulators approve. That is basicly how Wall Street works. Its just a legalized scam.

For gold, there are companies that hold physical gold and can sell multiple units of paper gold per physical unit. So they buy $100 in gold and then can sell $500 in paper gold. So all the physical gold ends up with a small number of special companies and when gold prices go up, they have to cover their positions, so they pound the market with more paper gold to keep the price down. Then when fiat and whole economy collapses, the paper gold people are left with worthless coupons, the gold has "disappeared" without changing vaults (the collateral is tiered, so in insolvency a shell corporation ends up getting the physical ahead of the paper gold holders) and they end up with all the gold and everyone else gets nothing. So you buy gold with dollars. They buy gold and can immediately resell it on paper, while still owning it, to get their money back. It is just a giant fraud.

So if you have Bitcoin, keep them in wallet and try to minimize the balance you have on exchanges.

There have been at least two documented examples of DEA agents or other agents writing themselves warrants (possibly under the FISA court) and going into hosting companies for an "investigation", getting access to servers for an exchange and then stealing all the coins from the exchange.

The good news, is this will be great for the alts in the long term. They are playing whack-a-man. Two or three dominant coins will have to rise and be destroyed, before we see something that is going to survive in the long term. I think Bitcoin could bounce back immediately and that the effect of the attacks and panic selling may be underwhelming.

The attempts at splitting Bitcoin apart, will move a lot money into the alts. The hardcore people are already to move on, which will be good for people who choose the right coins early.

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June 02, 2015, 12:40:23 AM
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Update:

People are trying to destroy Bitcoin. Gavin and Gmaxwell have made statements about being discouraged or threatening to leave project. I believe there is a group trying to destroy Bitcoin from within. They are pushing for standards and changes that will weaken Bitcoin. They have to get the good people forced off the project and get people under their influence into place. So getting rid of objective people who will fight against objectively bad decisions and are difficult to manipulate with bullshit, is necessary. No matter how many times it is explained with logic, why the decisions they are trying to make, are bad for Bitcoin and in fact unnecessary, they keep pushing them over and over and over again. They are going to grind their opposition down until they give up.

There is going to be a major financial crisis by September or within the next 24 months at the latest. After the last financial crisis, we saw a major uptick in Bitcoin activity and I think they want to get rid of it if they can, sometime during the crisis.

I think there will be attacks on mining pools, 51% attacks, attacks in media to discredit Bitcoin and internal conflicts and fights to split the community. I think the major mining pools will be bought out also and there will be fights to control them.

I am getting conflicting information. I think there is a group that wants to take Bitcoin out and another group that wants to control the pools to stop coins from being dumped and do a major pump and runup, like we saw with gox using fake paper dollars to buy up coins to send price up, before imploding.

I think many of the exchanges are running fractional reserve (they only have a fraction of the Bitcoin they say they have) and they will claim they "were hacked" and the coins stolen. People are buying Bitcoin that dont exist and it is creating "paper Bitcoin" that is suppressing the price. This is the same scam that is used to rig gold prices.

So if you have Bitcoin, keep them in wallet and try to minimize the balance you have on exchanges.

There have been at least two documented examples of DEA agents or other agents writing themselves warrants (possibly under the FISA court) and going into hosting companies for an "investigation", getting access to servers for an exchange and then stealing all the coins from the exchange.

The good news, is this will be great for the alts in the long term. Bitcoin is dead, long live Bitcoin.


Great post till the last 4 words. you're weird man!
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June 02, 2015, 02:45:25 AM
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IPO Update:

I have not sent out receipts or test coins yet.

The messages are being processed by hand. If instructions were too long, just
- install Bitmessage
- send message to BM-2cU8XJp3GPVQG75ZwMjiyzdDEa9eD4B7iM
- include how many Skycoin you want. At 10 cents per Skycoin. You will get receipt back.
- send contact information and a bitcoin address in case we need to return coins
- send us a Skycoin address where you want the coins

You will receive receipt
- There should be some test coins in your address
- send bitcoin for receipt and rest of coins will show up

https://i.imgur.com/E9tuogA.png

You should include email or bitcoin talks, qq-chat or other identity information in case we have to contact you. You must send us a Bitcoin address we can send bitcoin back to if we need to.

Preferred Format:

```
contact: bitcointalks:rockhill
bitcoin_addr:113n1hdJFN7R61fMncQr14TmnbcVQ7cBgP
skycoin_addr: ZWhZtjwXMS46cpDxfRwQyxxKPhqwsQu8oN
coins_requested: 9600

good luck!
```

This is an example message that is good. You can include a message below the IPO request.

Good Article on Bitcoin:

This is the Council on Foreign Relations publication. It generally predicts five to twenty years out institutional changes and what is on the horizon before it happens. The topics addressed are issues of concern to the CFR and not necessarily reflect official position or consensus among the elite, but .

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/143162/paul-vigna-and-michael-j-casey/bitcoin-for-the-unbanked

There is a clear split. The central banks dont like Bitcoin, the tax authorities are neutral because it is so heavily centralized on Coinbase and Bitpay that it can be taxed automatically. The income is "matchable" if it goes through bitpay/coinbase.

The upper tiers support Bitcoin and vaguely hope it may be able to reign in the FED or generally believe it will promote justice in the world. They see banks seizing houses they dont own and selling them without even pretense. They understand the FED and financial sector group is too powerful to be restrained by law. During the "financial crisis" they grabbed a company with 100 billion dollars in assets and forced into insolvency using a government regulator, on a rumor they caused and then "sold" the company to themselves for 2 billion dollars. This is literally "You dont own that" and they grab your property and give it to themselves. They cannot be restrained by law or government. They are government, it is the same group of people under different badges and titles. Or they grab trillion of dollars from county and give it to themselves, creating a debt that needs to be tax farmed from the public.

There is a sincere intention that technologies like Bitcoin may get the poor or anyone with a cell phone onto the global financial system. Many people will have Bitcoin, cell phones and internet before they get electricity or running water. The real politik is that Bitcoin may evolve into something that can impose some discipline on governments and reign in the FED.

There is a split between the interests. The people at the top want to continue the current system at the international level and the people below it want it abolished or dont understand it. The top level banks have determined that Bitcoin is immature and that is not viable and does not pose a threat to their powers. It doesnt allow the slaves to escape the plantation. They believe Bitcoin should be studied carefully but is not significant in its implications to their current operations.

Bitcoin is really a war of the 1% against the 0.00001%.


hi,skycoin, i send v Bitmessage 2 times  but no answer, any other way to get skycoin? thanks.

bitcoin_addr:1MC1p5FSkELj5M2qV2dgeCDUdJNUy6u8TU
skycoin_addr: 2fcUG6oQSsaWZK9Crqkh6LzGfZexqUqtHWg 
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June 07, 2015, 04:55:13 AM
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Update:

Here is benchmark of the Skycoin consensus algorithm and rounds to convergence vs other voter based algorithms.



I think there is an improvement, but current method out performs all methods in literature that we have found so far. The important part is that it converges rapidly in a small number of rounds (less than 10 or 20) and that it does not get stuck in a non-convergent state.

Sznadjd and naive voting sometimes do not converge in 40 rounds. This means network gets stuck in particular state and does not converge. The Skycoin consensus algorithm avoids getting stuck, which is good.

5 rounds convergence, means that if round trip time between California and Japan is 200 millisecond, 5 rounds is about 1 second. So average block times can be as low as 1 to 2 seconds, for this network topology (the wikipedia voter data set).

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5 rounds convergence, means that if round trip time between California and Japan is 200 millisecond, 5 rounds is about 1 second. So average block times can be as low as 1 to 2 seconds, for this network topology (the wikipedia voter data set).

Very cool...

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June 08, 2015, 03:46:28 PM
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where to get this coin?

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June 08, 2015, 04:08:01 PM
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Those posts where some rather interesting reads to say the least? I also like the girls in the tinfoil. Smiley
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Is the IPO still active? No response to my BitMsg.
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June 11, 2015, 05:11:28 AM
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Hello,

I've been absent for a very long time, so I didn't open Bitmessage since maybe 1 month or even more ^^'

Can you confirm if I can still use the BTC Address you gave in the message ? I prefer to have a confirmation before I send, in case of it has an expiry time  Smiley

Currently, my wallet is downloading blocks, do I should already got the coins even if I didn't send the BTC ? edit: ok, got the coin, just waiting your confirmation  Wink

Thanks !

Still no answer to my post, is it still possible to use the BTC address given in Bitmessage, even if your answer was sent 2 months ago ?

I really would like to invest, but I prefer to not send my BTC to something which could not exist anymore  Tongue

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June 13, 2015, 02:43:05 AM
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No development on Github for a very long time.

It's true. Maybe we can get a dev update soon.
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No development on Github for a very long time.

The coin is done. We are working on networking. There are three different groups working independently on that and its not on github yet.

The coin needs
- database for storing blocks
- database for history
- gui improvements
- misc improvements (the blockchain does not save on windows when closing)

We have to move on to next part to keep schedule. Then new people can work on coin improvements. The improvements are marginal at this stage and could take up almost all the project resources if we only focused on that at this stage. Once all the IPO coins are distributed, there are whales with development teams and experience with previous that can handle a lot of this. Including creating website and marketing.

Development Priorities:

Right now, Skywire is blocking next stage of project.
- Skywire is like Tox, tor, I2P or CJDNS in that a hash of a public key becomes and endpoint for communication.
- Each Skywire server is connected to other servers in a fixed topography
- Data between Skywire servers is encrypted
- Skywire servers can forward traffic along a route

Ideally, I want to be able to
- unzip file with a Raspberry PI distro on it on sd card
- set a "master server" public key in a text file in the root
- plug in and boot pi
- pi should generate its public key/address on first boot and communicate back to master/control server

If the PI is behind a firewall it will connect to some default public servers, so can connect to it even if incoming connections are impossible. Then it will be accessible to network. Then I can modify the pi or change configuration or see its connection topology through some master interface.

So I should be able to setup and control two or three hundred nodes will this system. I want to be able to SSH or get terminal on the remote nodes. The set of nodes you control is your "personal cloud".

We are starting with debian but moving to seL4 once we get team in place to work on this. The seL4 kernel is the fastest and most secure linux kernel and uses about 30 Kb of memory and boot time should be less than a second. The code base is 30,000 lines, very small, very fast, no closed source binary blobs.

Applications:

There will be "applications", which are golang directories of source code, that contain everything (all dependencies). I should be able to compile the application (eventually deterministically) and then deploy it on a remote node.

Applications will get one directory for configuration, one directory for data and one directory source code. They will only have
- networking (through Skywire)
- storage
- CPU/computation

- Applications will not be allowed to spew data across the hard drive in random directories like linux programs
- Pigeon will not be allowed to put data under .config of .local, .cache or .purple or unrelated directories
- Applications must be portable and capable of being backed up or moved from machine A to machine B.
- applications should not need to be able to access data in other applications directories by default (a bad app should not be able to steal your bitcoin wallet or scan your drive or overwrite executives in other directories)

Wifi:

If a node has a wifi adapter, I should be able to deploy an application to scan for other skywire wifi nodes and auto-connect to them and peer.

Long Range: Emergency Communications Network

I want a hardware module for HAM radio. There are modules for this in China. Or may us Baofeng. They are relatively cheap.  136-174 MHZ to 400-520MHz bands.

This is for communication during emergency at low bit rate. Emergency communication (SMS type). This project is ASAP priority.

I do not know if the bandwidth will be 5 bits/second to 300 bits/second. Up to 500 Kb/s

http://hackaday.com/2013/02/28/hacking-a-ham-radio/
http://sdrformariners.blogspot.hk/p/blog-page_28.html
http://sdrformariners.blogspot.hk/2014/02/shootout-shortwave-for-50-dollars.html

I need system that is just plug and play and takes less than five seconds to start working. Has to be commercial parts and ready for shipment. Should be able to update the software remotely with the above system. The faster this gets built, the faster the bugs can be worked out and hardware improved.

Hardware Wallet:

I also want a raspberry pi node that has a 3" or 4" touch screen, that can be used as a hardware wallet



So you would have computer (possibly insecure), communicate back to this. Then approve transaction on the device.

I want to be able to check Bitcoin balance through lib-bitcoin (get unspent outputs for address and inject transactions). This requires zero-mq to connect to lib-bitcoin server. Also requires extension to skycoin crypto library to allow construction of local bitcoin transactions. This is planned out but needs resources.

File Storage:

I should be able to do "OwnCloud" type file storage on the nodes. This can be simple golang server with RPC with
- list files (inode record)
- read file
- write file

SOCKS5 Proxy / VPN:

I should be able to deploy an application that lets me connect out of the node to the normal internet. I should be able to tunnel my traffic over Skywire to the exit point. This is a sort of replacement for OpenVPN.

The GUI needs to look like this




Consensus Algorithm:

The consensus algorithm is done. I can do ghetto version with cryptographically signed CSV files on webservers and just poll servers every second. It is not that exciting.

To do it right, it is bottled necked on Skywire. The network connections right now (TCP) are asymmetric (can connect out of firewall, but people cannot connect in) and still based upon IP addresses instead of pub key hashes. So until Skywire is working/designed at basic level its very difficult to run/test this.

I proved mathematically that as long as the user graph has certain property, that it converges.

Misc:

I have servers and they are behind a NAT router, which is daisy chained to another NAT router and I cannot SSH into them. The router configuration is hell. Then the IP address for the servers changed. I could run CJDNS on the severs, but its frustrating to configure/setup for more than a single server. It draws in a huge number of dependencies onto raspberry pi.

I want to be able to copy/paste to the drive, plug it into the server, have it boot and then been able to connect to it instantly and deploy applications on it easily. I only want to care that it is connected to the internet, I dont want to think about the IP address or firewall. I just want to plug it in and not have to think about it or configure it.

So this is moving towards "How computers should be".

Another frustration, is embedding a file system in a file. You can do this with truecrypt. I just want to have a file (an array of bytes) on disk and mount it as file system. You can do this through FUSE in golang and then have golang RPC server with "get file list, read file, write file" 3 command RPC that exposes the file system over the network.

Something like encrypting the file system should just be "take pass phrase, run key derivation function on it, ChaCha20 the blocks using the key".

I need to be able to deliver the same package/application/files to a large number of nodes. It has to be standardized.

If I plug in a flash drive to one device in my network, the file system should show up instantly over the network from the master server, under that device.

So things that should be very simple, that can be very simple (embedding a filesystem in a file, encrypting it, exposing it over the network) are frustrating. I cant have 15 computers and 300 servers if I have to do this amount of management/configuration. 100% of time would be spent in administration.

So these tasks are being vertically integrated into the skycoin toolchain. The first thing that was stripped out and integrated was the cryptography, so that there were no external dependencies. The next thing was Bitcoin address generation. Now checking unspent outputs and injecting transactions into the Bitcoin network needs to be integrated in (lib-bitcoin, zeromq). Networking needs to be integrated in (Skywire, own namespace, plug it in and just works).

The kernel/operating system and devices for nodes needs to be highly controlled and cannot be more complicated than copying files to an sd card, then putting sd card into arm device and plugging it in. It cannot take 30 seconds to boot. It cannot have 800 MB of shit. It cannot stop working after three months because its logging to SD card and fills up the disc and kill itself. Everything needs to be stripped out.

So each of these things, is being outsourced right now. There are some short term contract type assignments and longer term work and then research work.

Skywire is the next step. Then I need a raspberry pi distribution for skywire that I can just plug and play. So the objective is to get people in place, to make steady progress towards the goals we can complete with the current infrastructure and continue extending the infrastructure.

Links:

This is saicoin. This is decentralized file storage where you rent out storage. This is in golang and its interesting to look at the code.

http://www.siacoin.com/
https://github.com/NebulousLabs/Sia

This app is very limited but interesting.


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June 14, 2015, 01:45:07 AM
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After all this time I am still unable to get the wallet working on windows where I can get my coins into the wallet with the address the coins were sent.
Is this ever going to be fixed.
It is impossible to open a simple wallet at the moment.
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June 14, 2015, 05:55:01 AM
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private selling still being active or is stopped ?
i sent a message with an offer request with bitmessage

reality ? you fell to Scammers after being in an ICO , IPO
(more like any other stock and index in the world ICO or not got your portfolio down 25 % or 85 %)
Now  SEC is helping you getting back up your lost money maybe....
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Any progresses here?

This is the most promising and innovative project on the altcoin scenery, and it would be really great to see the devs pull this off.
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Links:

Article on community currency.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/od-russia/daniil-dugum/anarchism-russianstyle

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Or the example of Michael Unterguggenberger, mayor of the Austrian town of Wörgl, who issued his own Wörgler Freigeld to save the town from bankruptcy and build a series of public projects over a 13-month period during the Great Depression. After a few years, though, when dozens of other Austrian communities had become jealous of their neighbour's success and decided to replicate the idea, the national bank banned the Freigeld, frightened by the threat to its monopoly.

Likewise, the Bashkirian sovkhoz (state farm) of Shaimuratova responded to the financial crisis of 2008 by issuing its own currency – shaimuratiki. According to the project's initiator, economist Rustam Davletbaev, local currencies can channel unexpressed 'demand' (usually ignored by the market) in the sense that it allows people who want to buy goods (but have no money) to use their own goods or skills in a local system of exchange.

Unfortunately, though, while everyone in Shaimuratovo liked the idea, the local Prosecutor's Office didn't. The fight for shaimuratiki continues, only now at various courts.


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Link:

Open Source Bitcoin Hardware Wallet. This stores the keys on microsd card. It only does two things, store private keys and sign data with private keys. JSON API. Keys on device secured by password.

This is major step forward.

https://digitalbitbox.com/





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Any progresses here?

This is the most promising and innovative project on the altcoin scenery, and it would be really great to see the devs pull this off.

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The whole internet is being locked down. I think we are going to go through a dark period.
- Word press has stopped sending emails out from indie blogs.
- Reddit is being locked down and massively censored
- Facebook is only showing mainstream corporate content (paid prioritization) and everything else is sunk to bottom of feed. Death of independent media
- Ad Words and Google is cutting off independent media, cutting advertising checks and concentrating money with the large advertisers
- Google is down ranking truthful independent/non-corporate media in ranking and up ranking insane and intentionally created controlled disinformation websites. This may be SEO related to internal to Google
- Voat, which was reddit alternative was taken out by hosting company

............

It's a little bit alarmism, I checked the websit https://voat.co/, it's still online.

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... another mostly off-topic, apocalyptic brick post ...

Get a blog :)

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