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May 20, 2017, 04:50:00 PM
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I have setup a new skynode on a linux system, i intend to leave it alive and server as a new node in the network.
I tried the wallet (which seems to be a bit laggy) and also experimented with the meshnet code. But i'am uncertain if it works already. I see some socks5 code, and local vpn network configs...is there a profound documentation for setup?

What else can be done with this network?

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May 21, 2017, 07:47:37 AM
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Or they can give a few hundred coins to active participators to start, just like how Decred did it at first.
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May 21, 2017, 02:38:44 PM
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Or they can give a few hundred coins to active participators to start, just like how Decred did it at first.

Flooding the supply is not optimal.

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May 21, 2017, 11:12:06 PM
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Airdrop is a bad idea since there's no way to prevent people from claiming multiple slots while maintaining anonymity. Best idea is to make distribution part of the protocol to reward those who support the network by running nodes and other sky services. How this could be implemented as an automatic part of the protocol is what we should be discussing. Ultimately its up to skycoin dev and I trust they will make a fair decision.
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May 22, 2017, 02:38:09 AM
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Airdrop is a bad idea since there's no way to prevent people from claiming multiple slots while maintaining anonymity. Best idea is to make distribution part of the protocol to reward those who support the network by running nodes and other sky services. How this could be implemented as an automatic part of the protocol is what we should be discussing. Ultimately its up to skycoin dev and I trust they will make a fair decision.

Yeah, I think that's the best approach.
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May 22, 2017, 02:48:00 AM
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Airdrop is a bad idea since there's no way to prevent people from claiming multiple slots while maintaining anonymity. Best idea is to make distribution part of the protocol to reward those who support the network by running nodes and other sky services. How this could be implemented as an automatic part of the protocol is what we should be discussing. Ultimately its up to skycoin dev and I trust they will make a fair decision.

Yeah, I think that's the best approach.

Issue is how long it takes to complete the full distribution, as long as the dev has bulk of the coins most investors will look elsewhere. After all these years the main issue is 'when', not 'how', the window for Skycoin to make top 20 is smaller than some here may wish to think about. Good tech dies on the grapevine sometimes, could be the fate of Skycoin if the distro isn't completed asap.

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You can not complain that someone else will be marketing cheat money, which is your weakness, you should all learn. You advocate the set of political say that the right to monopoly, I think you are the same, you now hold 94% of the skycoin, the market value of nearly 100 million dollars, you are a person's currency, no community, you are the owner.


This statement is more truth than I have read throughout this thread. It is exactlly correct.
I'm sure it will be hard even impossible in crypto threads to find so many posts by the dev's about the corrupt things that exist in the world. Then when given the chance to initiate their own creation of money create the distribution that gives them virtually complete control over the money supply.
This is absolute hypocracy to the highest degree.
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May 22, 2017, 10:30:33 AM
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Hi all,

Hope you guys are doing well. I'm writing to offer some thoughts to the developer who I understand goes by the handle of skycoin. It's my most sincere hope that your project succeeds and I would like to make a few suggestions that might help if you haven't already thought of them.

I have just recently found success in crypto investing and this post is my first on this forum.

I learned about bitcoin back in 2008 and tried mining for a few days. But after finding that my CPU usage was too high for my crappy old laptop to sustain, and after learning that a dedicated rig was around $3500, I gave up and have only just recently gotten back into the game after finally having enough money to invest into some ETH back in December. Now things are roaring (my ETH gave me an 8X from 1100USD to 8500USD, effectively launching my trading career after all these years), and I have positions of a few thousand dollars in a number of altcoins with large market caps.

This past week, I have decided I want a 1000 USD position in a smallcap coin that might bring about some of the larger gains from which a few of my friends have benefited these past years.

In the course of researching candidates, I have come across skycoin and have done probably three or four hours of reading and testing the wallet as well as trying out cryptopia to actually have a small sum with which test functionality.

I'm fully licensed to practice psychotherapy and have managed a counseling agency for the past decade but have recently begun a career transition as a result of the field of mental health incapable of providing a head of household with an avenue through which he or she might earn a living wage.

In an effort to find a career that provides adequate earnings, I have resuscitated an old career I once bagan after obtaining an IMBA degree years ago and recently cofounded a boutique marketing consulting firm called cocreatethefuture operating largely in Asia and Europe, and am in the medium stages of discussions to have this firm’s work be placed under the umbrella of the Emerging Future Institute in Korea.  Finally, I’m also partnering with one of my b-school buddies to build a team assisting crypto startup founders with financing and marketing for their projects.

Anyway, skycoin, that’s my resume. I wanted to say hi and see if there’s any chance I can help with your project. Right off, please know that we share a lot of the same political views as I was redpilled in 2016 by the YouTube skeptic community and therefore have a particular appreciation for your work.

I would say that I share the opinion expressed by some others in the thread that marketing and in particular, the choices of what to communicate and how to do so can have a significant effect on the reception of the extraordinary work you are doing. On this matter, I would offer 2 suggestions and am most pleased to continue the discussion if desired.

First, the rant on page 150 of this thread has almost every prediction or report of the darkest examples of the evils that can be seen with mass human organization. I once wrote a paper in graduate school about how evil, not the kind of evil wherein an individual murders someone, but systemic evils, are what I called the detritus of mass human organization and went on to describe how these evils are inevitable and, well, it was a whoooole paper on that stuff.

At any rate, these evils certainly exist and are affecting world populations worse every day. The only item I didn’t see in that rant, and I have to be honest I couldn’t read all of it because the darkness was too much to bear, is this story about how children in Canada who desire sex reassignment procedures are being removed by social services from parents who are refusing to let their children undergo the surgery. If you haven’t heard of that one, I’m sure you’ll want to add it to your list.

But as far as that rant goes, and here is my hopeful contribution to your efforts to bring forth your project to the other Joe Schmoe’s of the world like myself who, despite having been enslaved by debt to a large extent, are still somewhat independent and can scrape enough together to collectively make your project part of the future and are needed to do so. It is that the rant might be reshaped to include a more concise message that ends with an explanation of how your technology can see about correction this trajectory human history seems destined toward. Were that rant to be trimmed down, made more palatable, and concluded with your solution described with the hope, passion, magnaminity, kindness, and goodwill I believe must be within you but for whatever reason was or perhaps has thus far not been shared, I think this piece could be a very fine marketing asset.

The other suggestion that I would make is to present yourself with your actual identity along with your team in a friendly way on the homepage in the way that the other founders are doing. This might be something untenable and could be a newbie suggestion on my part given the space in which your project hopes to serve. But if the risks don’t present any actual dangers, I would say it’s really important to the credibility and perception of the reliability of your team to come forward and say hello to the world.

Please PM me if you would like to talk on Skype or Google hangouts, I’m happy to help if you think your project might benefit from talking with me.





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May 22, 2017, 04:07:40 PM
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Airdrop is a bad idea since there's no way to prevent people from claiming multiple slots while maintaining anonymity. Best idea is to make distribution part of the protocol to reward those who support the network by running nodes and other sky services. How this could be implemented as an automatic part of the protocol is what we should be discussing. Ultimately its up to skycoin dev and I trust they will make a fair decision.

Yeah, I think that's the best approach.

I'm sure, that a lot of us are waiting for this opportunity and start the nodes immediately. I hope it will be launched soon. But of course we can't make them rush as that could lead to errors, mistakes.
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May 22, 2017, 09:02:05 PM
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I liked the original plan to distribute much of the Skycoin to mesh node operators, since this is an effective way to replace mining for mass distribution of the coin with the great improvement that unlike Proof of Waste mining, the mesh networking actually provides something of value, and in this case, is a great way to overcome the chicken and egg problem to mass adoption by building out the mesh infrastructure with viral adoption.

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May 23, 2017, 05:02:38 AM
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I liked the original plan to distribute much of the Skycoin to mesh node operators, since this is an effective way to replace mining for mass distribution of the coin with the great improvement that unlike Proof of Waste mining, the mesh networking actually provides something of value, and in this case, is a great way to overcome the chicken and egg problem to mass adoption by building out the mesh infrastructure with viral adoption.

How ready is the meshnet?
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May 23, 2017, 07:00:36 AM
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I liked the original plan to distribute much of the Skycoin to mesh node operators, since this is an effective way to replace mining for mass distribution of the coin with the great improvement that unlike Proof of Waste mining, the mesh networking actually provides something of value, and in this case, is a great way to overcome the chicken and egg problem to mass adoption by building out the mesh infrastructure with viral adoption.

How ready is the meshnet?

I tried some of the mesh code, it ran but i did not saw any connects. Also no feedback here so far about them. Skynode itself seems to run smoothly. The wallet was a bit laggy on my side.
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May 23, 2017, 12:50:33 PM
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@skycoin, bro, why don't you try to solve the distribution problem then focus on the development ? In this way you will have enough money to hire new devs to help you and move things faster. also this would boost the marketing because the investors would be incentivised to talk about this project wherever they hang out (forums, slack, twitter, fb, real life, afterlife etc.). BTW how many devs are actively working on this ? I can say I have a little tech background as I worked as Linux support engineer for an IoT service and I am really impressed about Skycoin although i don't understant it completely. For me seems to be a big leap forward in blockchain technology.
 This is my opinion . I wish you all the best and good luck with your project!
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May 24, 2017, 12:33:01 PM
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@skycoin, bro, why don't you try to solve the distribution problem then focus on the development ? In this way you will have enough money to hire new devs to help you and move things faster. also this would boost the marketing because the investors would be incentivised to talk about this project wherever they hang out (forums, slack, twitter, fb, real life, afterlife etc.). BTW how many devs are actively working on this ? I can say I have a little tech background as I worked as Linux support engineer for an IoT service and I am really impressed about Skycoin although i don't understant it completely. For me seems to be a big leap forward in blockchain technology.
 This is my opinion . I wish you all the best and good luck with your project!

 I would support this opinion. For the time being Skycoin is way too centralized and authoritarian. Just make it clear and transparent. It's crucially important to make people know about Skycoin before bitcoin goes real mainstream... Steady distribution for meshnodes is the best idea possible.
 I think you might invite some of your forum audience to join the team. Strangely marketing part is the weak side right now.
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May 25, 2017, 07:24:58 AM
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thank you skycoin dev,

thank you for your post on Qtum, i brought some because of you!

i made 20 times profit on Qtum because of you!



thank you so much!




this is the best ico of 2017!

people are making 10 times and 20 times profit now and very big volume now.

where is the FUDs





i think all the fuds people brought the ico and they are holding Qtum token now.
 Smiley


also some big volume too

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/volume/24-hour/




what will happen when Qtum release?

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May 25, 2017, 07:30:41 AM
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- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.



I won't trust dev that promoting qtum-SCAM.....

thank you skycoin dev!

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May 25, 2017, 07:33:09 AM
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skycoin make his own decision! he is smart and never listen to the fud.

i will buy some skycoin to show my support, same time i am holding all my Qtum !





Quote from: skycoin on March 16, 2017, 04:54:31 PM

- https://qtum.org

Qtum, will probably replace ethereum because it is simpler and has fewer problems. The UXTO model is much cleaner. They have a lot of previous developers and have already done two previous coins and are the best team I have seen so far.


I won't trust dev that promoting qtum-SCAM.....

I have not looked at qtum's code.

We know the qtum founder and he is one of the largest investors in Skycoin from four years ago, before qtum or any of this. Some of the people around him are legendary scammers, but he is not a scammer.

I think Patricks role in the bitbay situation is exaggerated. I read through the arguments and it just sounds like drama.

Many of the people in the Bitcoin community are sociopaths. They often steal things or cause drama, then immediately blame it or scapegoat it on someone else. They are not even done stealing the money, before they go on campaign of moral indignation against the fall person.

I think Patrick was blamed for Bitbay because his personality makes him an easy victim for sociopaths and the human predators in the bitcoin community. There are people walking around, sizing people up and trying to determine whether they can manipulate someone, setup a scam, steal things and who is going to be gullible or a fall person.

If you knew the people involved, you would understand what the social dynamic is.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

Ethereum is using an accounts model, like Ripple. Which is anti-blockchain and anti-privacy and very traceable. It is against the philosophy of Bitcoin.

All coins going forward will be on the UXTO model and it is best practice for blockchain. Moving turing complete smart contracts off of accounts model and onto UXTO is extremely important and that is what qtum appears to be doing.

We need to figure out how to do general computation on a UXTO model. Instead of being restrained to the Ripple/Ethereum accounts model.

I think they will get closer to the goal, but only get there part way
- thin client for smart contracts (major limitation for existing system)
- moving smart contracts onto UXTO (major milestone)

I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction. I talked to one of their technical leads and they were focused on "Getting it working with something we can do now" and then incremental improvement over time. So first implementing the Ethereum virtual machine on top of UXTO, then working out the research problems for a native turing complete UXTO language later.

I do not know if there is a way to full UXTO while still having "gas". I think you will need to get rid of the "gas". In the ethereum model to take full advantage. I do not know if qtum will be able to go far enough in doing that, but is heading in the correct direction.

Ethereum tries to be both a token and a computer.
- we started with pure tokens (Bitcoin)
- then we added a computer to the tokens (Ethereum)
- now we just trying to figure out how to build  pure computer on UXTO
- Then once we have the computer, the tokens or coins just become a program or entity running on this "distributed computer"

Bitcoin, Ethereum, qtum, byteballs, etc are just stepping stones. Towards a final solution. None of these will exist or be relevant in ten years. We are in an age of transition and I am looking at the projects that are getting closer to the goal, in a pure mathematical sense.

Even Skycoin is being ripped up and its foundations constantly rewritten when it is advantageous to do so. Bitcoin is static and relatively unchanging, while Ethereum has been able to get the community to accept constant small changes.

Skycoin is on a punctuated equilibrium model, where we do bug fixes and polishing, then completely rip up and rebuild the foundation as needed, then go back to bug fixes and polishing.

Right now, we are exploring new networking primitives and the advantage of immutable data structures, but are still on blockchain. Putting EVM on UXTO is heading towards immutable data structures from the perspective of computation, while we are heading towards immutable data structures from the path of consensus, networking and simplifying object synchronization protocols.

One of the pilots that is being spun out of that project is the distibuted, peer-to-peer social media platform built upon immutable data structures and peer-to-peer object replication. For this Skycoin chose a public key, cryptographic publisher/subscriber model and DAG immutable object tree. While Ethereum's project chose a Kadmelia DHT block storage model.

Ignoring the individuals and the drama, I am just looking at the "future direction" and who is heading in that direction.

>Also how can you be so confident qtum is going to replace ETH based on it's tech when they haven't released code yet?

I am not confident it will replace Ethereum. At the start, it will be equivalent to ethereum in terms of being able to run the Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) on top of qtum with UXTO. Then they will do a native language.

It will depend on the implementation. I do not know if qtum has succeeded, but they seem to be going in right direction.

Similarly, Byteballs may fail or may not exist in ten years, but they are pioneering the first experiments into replacing the Blockchain with a DAG. Which we have been considering for several years now.

Similarly, Bitcoin was the first but people are getting used to the idea that it will not be the final or best cryptocurrency. That it was just the first generation and that we can build better and improve it substantially.

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May 25, 2017, 02:35:21 PM
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i hope skycoin have a big success!

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May 25, 2017, 08:06:03 PM
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Is this the skycoin thread or the qtum thread?
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May 26, 2017, 02:09:00 PM
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You can not complain that someone else will be marketing cheat money, which is your weakness, you should all learn. You advocate the set of political say that the right to monopoly, I think you are the same, you now hold 94% of the skycoin, the market value of nearly 100 million dollars, you are a person's currency, no community, you are the owner.


This statement is more truth than I have read throughout this thread. It is exactlly correct.
I'm sure it will be hard even impossible in crypto threads to find so many posts by the dev's about the corrupt things that exist in the world. Then when given the chance to initiate their own creation of money create the distribution that gives them virtually complete control over the money supply.
This is absolute hypocracy to the highest degree.

We are going to have a fair distribution. We are just not rushing recklessness into it.

We might sell 10% or 15% of the coins and get distribution up to 20% in the next round. However, not sure yet.

Right now, we are just struggling with development, bug fixes, getting marketing materials together. The distribution problem can only be fixed over time.

We also need to save coins for the meshnet and distribution to community. As long as the inflation from the new coins entering the market, is less than the growth rate of the community, then it will not put downward pressure on the price. So having those applications and the user community is a requirement for any type of large distribution plan.

>This is absolute hypocrisy to the highest degree.

Distributing too many coins too early, causes more problems than it solves. It wont stop people from complaining either. No matter what we do, there will always be a loud minority complaining that we should have done something else.

>This is absolute hypocrisy to the highest degree.

Right now, people are trying to buy Skycoin and we have to choose between
- do we put more coins on to the market (so that people can buy in at a low price)
- do we keep the supply tight and allow the price to increase

The first option benefits people who do not own coins or who want to acquire a large position and benefit from future appreciation (new users).

The second option benefits people who already own coins (existing users) but at the expense of new users.

So easiest thing is to do nothing and just focus on development.

>This is absolute hypocrisy to the highest degree.

We will have another distribution, where people can buy coins without moving the price on the market. After the marketing materials and infographics are done.

This should stop the people complaining that they cannot buy coins happy (which is really the issue). As soon as people own enough coins, they stop complaining that we are not selling enough coins and they start demanding we restrict supply and allow the price to go up...

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