[ANN][MOON] Mooncoin: You know where it's headed! KGW exploit FIXED 4/3/2014

[coinflow]

I think now im the high and long time shareholder from Mooncoin

 

5.45 billions of mooncoins

Just don't keep them all in Cryptsy. Transfer them to a wallet of your own. You know what can happen to exchanges, since Mt Gox, Coinex, coinmarket.io and so on.
And don't forget to backup your wallet.dat and keep the backup safe on another computer, an USB-stick and/or in a paper-wallet.

[redjedievolution]

Thanks for your opinion. I was keeping them there because i'm buying more. But you are right, i'll move 5billions to a wallet to keep them secure for long time. And for sure i'll backup the wallet.dat

Thanks for your advices.

Kind Regards. Alejandro

[gjhiggins]

And for sure i'll backup the wallet.dat

I strongly recommend reading the Bitcoin wiki entry on Securing your wallet, there's a potential “gotcha” that you should be aware of.

Cheers

Graham

[coinflow]

And for sure i'll backup the wallet.dat

I strongly recommend reading the Bitcoin wiki entry on Securing your wallet, there's a potential “gotcha” that you should be aware of.

Cheers

Graham

Hi Graham,

what do you think, would it be possible to implement some kind of paper-wallet-generator into the Mooncoin-wallet? Maybe a more than useful feature.

coinflow

[gjhiggins]

what do you think, would it be possible to implement some kind of paper-wallet-generator into the Mooncoin-wallet? Maybe a more than useful feature.

I was just reading about that before, same bitcoin wiki page:

Tips for making paper wallets

• 1. Disconnecting from the Internet guarantees that that the paper wallet generator is truly self-contained and isn't transmitting your keys online.
• 2. Verifying the integrity of the code (and the trustworthiness of the author) is important to make sure a hacker hasn't modified the HTML so that it generates predictable addresses instead of truly random keys.
• 3. Using a very basic printer is advisable since high-end office printers may have WiFi or internal storage that keeps a cache of printed documents.

Practicalities restrict us to simply recommending that Mooncoin holders follow 1. and 3. there isn't much more we can do.

However, it's possible that we could improve the Ux by actually tackling 2 instead of making totally unrealistic demands of users. Apart from the woeful laxity of undefined terms such as "predictable" and "truly random", it blithely ignores the fact that users are not generally in a position to verify the integrity of program code (nor are currency exchange operators, apparently).

But anyway, the codebase has moved on and there are now strong imprecations against creating paper wallets, e.g. this one from Pieter Wuille:

“As of the 0.8.x series, the reference client does not support paper wallets. You can export individual keys, and print them to paper, but you are very likely to shoot yourself in the foot unless you're familiar with the implementation details.

In particular, change (the difference in value between coins used to create your transaction, and the amount being sent) is sent to a fresh address in order to increase privacy of the system. When you're using a paper wallet, you will likely miss these, as well as key pool entries.

There is support planned for deterministic wallets (BIP32), which means a single backup of a wallet seed will be enough to create the wallet. This may or may not end up in 0.9, though.

The reason why no "Export wallet to PDF" exists, is exactly because in the current model, this would result in many misconceptions and lost coins. Without deterministic key generation, no immutable dump of the wallet can survive (a series of) spends.”

Mooncoin could follow Dogecoin's example and plot a course to migrate to the Bitcoin Core 0.9.x codebase. Then, if/when BIP32 is implemented in the 0.9 series, Mooncoin would be in an excellent position to adopt the tech.

Cheers,

Graham

P.S. Some altcoin devs are offering extended "user-facing" wallet functionality by including additional tabs. For example, Silkcoin has a block explorer built in to the wallet, as does AllAgescoin, although with 8 tabs, I think Mike may have got a bit carried away. I hear he's planning to include a TV guide .

We could take a sober look at what's available to adapt.

Bellacoin has an expanded set of wallet tabs. Most of them are quite simple, using Qt's webhandler to render http-retrieved content a la browser. However, this is also verging on creeping centralism; control of the remote domain means control over the rendered content of the wallet tab - so it's only really suitable for a trusted, actively-defended remote source such as a well-run Foundation or a currently- favoured exchange.

P.P.S. Bellacoin's website is an excellent example of high-quality altcoin user support, many props.

[coinflow]

what do you think, would it be possible to implement some kind of paper-wallet-generator into the Mooncoin-wallet? Maybe a more than useful feature.

I was just reading about that before, same bitcoin wiki page:

Tips for making paper wallets

• 1. Disconnecting from the Internet guarantees that that the paper wallet generator is truly self-contained and isn't transmitting your keys online.
• 2. Verifying the integrity of the code (and the trustworthiness of the author) is important to make sure a hacker hasn't modified the HTML so that it generates predictable addresses instead of truly random keys.
• 3. Using a very basic printer is advisable since high-end office printers may have WiFi or internal storage that keeps a cache of printed documents.

Practicalities restrict us to simply recommending that Mooncoin holders follow 1. and 3. there isn't much more we can do.


However, it's possible that we could improve the Ux by actually tackling 2 instead of making totally unrealistic demands of users. Apart from the woeful laxity of undefined terms such as "predictable" and "truly random", it blithely ignores the fact that users are not generally in a position to verify the integrity of program code (nor are currency exchange operators, apparently).

But anyway, the codebase has moved on and there are now strong imprecations against creating paper wallets, e.g. this one from Pieter Wuille:

“As of the 0.8.x series, the reference client does not support paper wallets. You can export individual keys, and print them to paper, but you are very likely to shoot yourself in the foot unless you're familiar with the implementation details.

In particular, change (the difference in value between coins used to create your transaction, and the amount being sent) is sent to a fresh address in order to increase privacy of the system. When you're using a paper wallet, you will likely miss these, as well as key pool entries.

There is support planned for deterministic wallets (BIP32), which means a single backup of a wallet seed will be enough to create the wallet. This may or may not end up in 0.9, though.

The reason why no "Export wallet to PDF" exists, is exactly because in the current model, this would result in many misconceptions and lost coins. Without deterministic key generation, no immutable dump of the wallet can survive (a series of) spends.”

Mooncoin could follow Dogecoin's example and plot a course to migrate to the Bitcoin Core 0.9.x codebase. Then, if/when BIP32 is implemented in the 0.9 series, Mooncoin would be in an excellent position to adopt the tech.

Cheers,

Graham

P.S. Some altcoin devs are offering extended "user-facing" wallet functionality by including additional tabs. For example, Silkcoin has a block explorer built in to the wallet, as does AllAgescoin, although with 8 tabs, I think Mike may have got a bit carried away. I hear he's planning to include a TV guide .

We could take a sober look at what's available to adapt.

Bellacoin has an expanded set of wallet tabs. Most of them are quite simple, using Qt's webhandler to render http-retrieved content a la browser. However, this is also verging on creeping centralism; control of the remote domain means control over the rendered content of the wallet tab - so it's only really suitable for a trusted, actively-defended remote source such as a well-run Foundation or a currently- favoured exchange.

P.P.S. Bellacoin's website is an excellent example of high-quality altcoin user support, many props.

I agree to all of that. Did read the caveats about creating paper-wallets on the bitcoin-page, too. So the best thing at the moment would simply be to backup wallet.dat to different locations, which are not connected to each other and/or the internet and possibly secure them via encryption, I suppose.
Did not know about the problem with the change not going to the paper-wallet-address and BIP32 being an approach to solve that. So again got a little bit smarter.  

Regarding adding features in general, I also take the view, that we should not do anything that is not necessary. A TV-guide in a wallet? ...  
Regarding tabs with content loaded from somewhere in the internet: this really opens the door for trojans, viruses and - not as bad, but as undesirable - advertisements or the likes.

[coinflow]

Has anyone else here gotten a PM from user kopakuhoka (has just registered and nothing posted) with the following message or something similar?

Hello!
Please have a look at my new game. It's a Bitcoin inspired Action-RPG Game where you can earn REAL bitcoins by doing quests. It's still beta, and I really need some feedback! Does it run smoothly on your PC? It won't take you more than 5 minutes! Help us to make this game the best it can be! Thank you in advance!

Link to download deleted


all beta testers will get a free registration key for life

For me it seems like someone wants to get bad code (virus, trojan etc.) onto someone else's computer via bitcointalk-PM ...
Just a warning.

[paulus51]

wel guys we have updated our mooncoin wallet with the new one so any donations are welcome and thanks for receivied donations to ,


its all for our project see link in signature

we hope that mooncoin wil revive becouse its a nice coin and like all other altcoins it can become one !

Well, Mooncoin has never been dead, so it does not need to be revived. You just have to USE it. Then it lives.
Buy it, sell it, buy something with it, sell something for it, promote it. That is all what a coin needs, basically.
Everything else are just gimmicks. We have a working wallet, so what keeps you from using MOON?  

and as extra info:  please keep the current logo its magnificent !!

I fully agree to this.


Edit: Just USED the coin.  
Sent you some MOON for your project to the MOON-address on your page: http://savegreyhound.hol.es/donation-page/
Maybe you should add that Mooncoin-address from the page to your posting here, too.

well oke greatly thankfull here, coins recieved thank you for this great donation !! , and her is our address to : mooncoin Address :  2RHr973Z7RXi9qWzrG7Wko8Ednpbq4KDoU

and btw i am using them and link them so lets get this coin back on track again ! ;-)

[coinflow]

and btw i am using them and link them so lets get this coin back on track again ! ;-)

Yes.

[gjhiggins]

Has anyone else here gotten [...] something similar?

Please have a look at my new game.

all beta testers will get a free lesson in life

For me it seems like someone wants to get bad code (virus, trojan etc.) onto someone else's computer via bitcointalk-PM ...
Just a warning.

I also received one. I came to the same conclusion. This will become a (very) brief growth area.

Cheers

Graham

P.S. Hiro blagged Silkcoin's blockbrowser to add to Hirocoin (despite moaning about the code quality). I snaffled it in turn and added it to the code in the branch where I'm working on an enhanced Mooncoin wallet for the upcoming anniversary celebration. It works okay, pace Hiro's complaints:



Cheers,

Graham

[GambitBTC]

I'm up to help with any promo you guys may need, just pm me, i got a soft spot for moon.

[Wekkel]

I'm up to help with any promo you guys may need, just pm me, i got a soft spot for moon.

Great. I see good times ahead for this coin 

[redjedievolution]

yeah! i like it. I'm up too for every action we gonna get, i love this coin, its community, name, i like the potential so much

[janbrel]

P.S. Hiro blagged Silkcoin's blockbrowser to add to Hirocoin (despite moaning about the code quality). I snaffled it in turn and added it to the code in the branch where I'm working on an enhanced Mooncoin wallet for the upcoming anniversary celebration. It works okay, pace Hiro's complaints:

https://i.imgur.com/y9kioJvl.png

Cheers,

Graham

That blockbrowser will make a great addition to the Mooncoin wallet

[utahjohn]

My 2 cents:  Switch algo to X11 or groestl and add POS staking I agree with reducing rewards significantly for POW.  I have completey abandoned mining MOON for now (scrypt is going to asics) but still holding 50+ Mil coins

[redjedievolution]

Hi guys

anyone knows why i can't do transactions of more than 99.999.999 mooncoins?

I think its too short, imagine if you have 6.000.000.000 mooncoins.... 

[GrGr]

Hi guys

anyone knows why i can't do transactions of more than 99.999.999 mooncoins?

I think its too short, imagine if you have 6.000.000.000 mooncoins.... 

I had the same problem on Cryptsy I think it's their policy to limit transactions. You can ask support on Cryptsy why they do this.

[redjedievolution]

Yes, but if you go to the mooncoin client and try to make a widthdrawal you can transfer more than 99.999.999 mooncoins each time

Hi guys

anyone knows why i can't do transactions of more than 99.999.999 mooncoins?

I think its too short, imagine if you have 6.000.000.000 mooncoins.... 

I had the same problem on Cryptsy I think it's their policy to limit transactions. You can ask support on Cryptsy why they do this.

[gjhiggins]

Hi guys

anyone knows why i can't do transactions of more than 99.999.999 mooncoins?

I think its too short, imagine if you have 6.000.000.000 mooncoins.... 

If that were the case then I would agree. Fortunately, your assumption that Mooncoin's MAX_MONEY parameter is set to 99999999 is demonstrably incorrect

That line of code is the variable binding and has the comment:
 

Code:

// Mooncoin: maximum of 100B coins (given some randomness), max transaction 10,000,000,000 for now

So, you're only going to feel unduly constrained if and when your token count exceeds 10 billion .

Cheers

Graham

[Wekkel]

Hitting the maximum at Cryptsy must give you a special feeling