rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;)

[AnonyMint]

The problem with people like you are that almost all your theories assume one blatant falsehood - that there are super intelligent, cunning, strategic, and complex humans that pull the strings on society in some elaborate and complex ways.

And lucky for them most people are easily deceived like you, despite historic records showing that Pearl Harbor was a false-flag planned to get USA isolationists into supporting the war.

Despite the overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was a false-flag to launch all this tracking of everyone's wealth for the big $223 trillion debt implosion coming.

Despite the copious evidence that Anthony Sutton provided (see video below to educate yourself):

Regarding the illuminati fears... superstitious is the end of reason.

Those who confuse superstition with exquisitely researched facts have lost rationality.

For those who think there is no global conspiracy, you are apparently not aware of Anthony Sutton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVWXmZB1wc

Carry on slave, there is nothing I can do to help someone like you.

[windjc]

The problem with people like you are that almost all your theories assume one blatant falsehood - that there are super intelligent, cunning, strategic, and complex humans that pull the strings on society in some elaborate and complex ways.

And lucky for them, most people think like you do, despite historic records showing that Pearl Harbor was a false-flag planned to get USA isolationists into supporting the war.

Despite the overwhelming evidence that 9/11 was a false-flag to launch all this tracking of everyone's wealth for the big $223 trillion debt implosion coming.

Despite the copious evidence that Anthony Sutton provided (see video below to educate yourself):

Regarding the illuminati fears... superstitious is the end of reason.

Those who confuse superstition with exquisitely researched facts have lost rationality.

For those who think there is no global conspiracy, you are apparently not aware of Anthony Sutton:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSVWXmZB1wc

Carry on slave, there is nothing I can do to help someone like you.

The sad thing about you is that you are the actual slave. A slave to your own paranoid mind. If you were a true "activist" you would not be spending your time on this message board ranting away. You would actually take "action."

The most ironic thing is if anything you mention was actually true, the only way to solve it would be to create counter strategies and put them into immediate ACTION. Yet, you do the exact opposite. You just type away on a keyboard on a trading speculation forum and preach with condescension. Although you do nothing in the way of championing a cause, instead you actually turn people away, in the small miniscule effect that you do have.

But, in regards to macro change, you do nothing. Absolutely nothing.

In totality you have a small negative affect on the causes you say are so important to you.

[AnonyMint]

How can you accuse me of not taking action? Can you see what is on my computers, especially the one with an air gap (not connected to the internet)?

Why is it that logical facts that threaten your delusion is "paranoia". This is the mentality that makes you a slave.

Why is it I have to destroy my anonymity (you know who I am, but you don't know what is on my computers) and ruin my project just to appease your lack of understanding of how such action must come about.

Try to think it out a bit. Do you always need a comfort blanket to hold your hand. How would you survive in the wild? You would learn to be a man.

[Teppino]

Nice post windjc. Still you forgot one key word: Propaganda, which was born from a military regime, is so effective that it's seldom needed to resort to brute force

[windjc]

How can you accuse me of not taking action? Can you see what is on my computers, especially the one with an air gap (not connected to the internet)?

What do you do? Tell us!

My supposition is you do absolutely nothing. Prove me wrong.

Come on! Champion your cause. Give us some real meat and inspiration. Us beta-males, we feast off of inspiration. That is how governments control us. Take control of us and show us how much you do. What your strategies for liberation are.

But above all, please do not give us stale dribble about ghosts that haunt and manipulation our dreams.

[rpietila]

No matter how I think about it, it looks like that the depopulationists have lost. I will have to write more about it for you to understand it,

No need to write more. You don't understand.

No, you don't

Propagation speed of truthful information and how it replaces the depopulationist lies, similarly discrediting all the depopulationist mindset.

Freedom people are able to conspire in the open, because they do good, whereas depopulationists must conspire in secret, because their actions are bad and are opposed if noticed.

Depopulationists are more stupid because they believe some of their own lies, poison themselves with fluoride, etc.

Because the "elite" (people directly controlled by Satan) consists of a few hundred people max, and the others are only tools for them, they can never be sure to retain control. By taking away the monopoly to generate money, they wither and die. Large arms of executive power such as the U.S. govt may revolt and join us, and several presidents have proposed this and have been assassinated. Every such act heaps ill will towards them and it does not go away with time in the Internet era. Ah, they are almost lost already. Why are we even bothering?

[windjc]

Nice post windjc. Still you forgot one key word: Propaganda, which was born from a military regime, is so effective that it's seldom needed to resort to brute force

Yeah, but societies are becoming less and less easily manipulated with the information age. However, in parts of the world where they are cut off propaganda works.

But AnonyMint is so wrong on so many levels. Its really a world driven by profits not power.

Power is useless without the freedom to enjoy profits. Profits provide the power to live life on your own terms.

There is no grand conspiracy of suppression, only a fight for "security". That fight has been going on since man became man.

[AnonyMint]

Risto don't you know that propaganda defeats propaganda.

This statement is false.

The masses are so confused and will always be.

Buzz me when you grow up.  

(no offense brother, but you drank too much socialist Koolaid, I detected it in you when we were Skyping about China and you got offended when I said they are still Communists. I don't hate Chinese, I hate the ideology of State control and the common Chinese inspiration of a "better society" from it).

[farfiman]

There are, instead, simply systems that have been created over the years as humans have fought for more "security" (another basic need) that now enable certain classes to have advantages over others. This is kind of a economic darwinian evolution of sorts. But the players who take advantage of these systems today act much more out of tactics than strategy.

And you give them WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT.

This is 100% correct.

Are there false flag events,behind doors conspiracies and all kind of other evil doings like Anonymint suggests ?  Sure there are.
Are there people in the "elites"  that think they are smart enough and strong enough to do some of these things? Sure.

But a worldwide global conspiracy run buy a small group of people capable of long term thinking and execution of a plan ( 100 years ?). No.

[arepo]

Yeah, but societies are becoming less and less easily manipulated with the information age. However, in parts of the world where they are cut off propaganda works.

contrarily, in a world where information dissemination is easier and cheaper than ever before, but a small few control the spigot, propaganda is that much more powerful.

proprietized media like TV is an excellent example of this. a cabal of wealthy movie producers, news channel operators, and advertising giants control the majority of the content that is gluttonously spewed into the the minds of millions daily, reinforcing ideological precedents that perpetuate class, race, gender, and other inequalities, and marginalizing radical ideologies by controlling the ratios of exposure, and by negative framing.

the internet may be a step in the right direction, but until it fully supplants TV as the king of media dissemination, and unless the tactics used by interested parties like JTRIG and the NSA that are destructive to open discourse are successfully combated, the information age will be synonymous with the age of propaganda.

--arepo

[Peter R]

Nice posts windjc!  Well said.  

[arepo]

This statement is false.

+1

[windjc]

Yeah, but societies are becoming less and less easily manipulated with the information age. However, in parts of the world where they are cut off propaganda works.

contrarily, in a world where information dissemination is easier and cheaper than ever before, but a small few control the spigot, propaganda is that much more powerful.

proprietized media like TV is an excellent example of this. a cabal of wealthy movie producers, news channel operators, and advertising giants control the majority of the content that is gluttonously spewed into the the minds of millions daily, reinforcing ideological precedents that perpetuate class, race, gender, and other inequalities, and marginalizing radical ideologies by controlling the ratios of exposure, and by negative framing.

the internet may be a step in the right direction, but until it fully supplants TV as the king of media dissemination, and unless the tactics used by interested parties like JTRIG and the NSA that are destructive to open discourse are successfully combated, the information age will be synonymous with the age of propaganda.

--arepo

Again, TV is about ratings and profits. Not about power. To the extent its used for power, it is a tactic.

I am talking about the free world, not communist states. But even in communists states with access to the internet, government TV is not considered the legitimate source.

[AnonyMint]

I have explained for the atheists why top-down is always the property of who can make the best propaganda to control the masses.

Let me explain it to Risto (since he is a Christian) with scripture so that he might understand.

Revelation 18:4

Then I heard another voice from heaven say: "'Come out of her, my people,' so that you will not share in her sins, so that you will not receive any of her plagues;

John 15:19

The world would love you as one of its own if you belonged to it, but you are no longer part of the world. I chose you to come out of the world, so it hates you.

Romans 12:2

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Revelation 20:4

Then I saw thrones, and the people sitting on them had been given the authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony about Jesus and for proclaiming the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his statue, nor accepted his mark on their forehead or their hands. They all came to life again, and they reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Risto there is a distinction between helping people and trying to overrule God's will w.r.t. to the masses. Again I refer you to read 1 Samuel 8 and 1 Samuel 15 wherein it is clear the masses will always be deceived by government and be destroyed by war as a result.

If you think you can change that, then you are not accepting God's will.

Actually for the atheists, no need scriptures to understand this is just a natural outcome of the only way the universe could exist. My blog linked on my signature gets into this, as well I expounded in some posts on various threads on bitcointalk.

[AnonyMint]

There are, instead, simply systems that have been created over the years as humans have fought for more "security" (another basic need) that now enable certain classes to have advantages over others. This is kind of a economic darwinian evolution of sorts. But the players who take advantage of these systems today act much more out of tactics than strategy.

And you give them WAY TOO MUCH CREDIT.

This is 100% correct.

Are there false flag events,behind doors conspiracies and all kind of other evil doings like Anonymint suggests ?  Sure there are.
Are there people in the "elites"  that think they are smart enough and strong enough to do some of these things? Sure.

But a worldwide global conspiracy run buy a small group of people capable of long term thinking and execution of a plan ( 100 years ?). No.

It doesn't matter the result is the same regardless. The top-down system is how I described and the people are slaves and commit to things that enslave them more.

The propaganda is actually in control. The purveyors of it adjust as needed over 100s of years to keep the masses confused. The purveyors compete with each other and get replaced by those who can deceive better in each new epoch.

Think about it like this. The purveyors of the propaganda don't have to be omniscient about the future, they can change the propaganda at will.

Example is their global warming temperature predictions utterly failed, so now they are changing the propaganda to "man-made climate change" and trying to blame global cooling on it.

The conspiracy is not a grand one of being able to predict the future, rather it is the power vacuum of top-down control and the ability of propaganda to defeat propaganda.

Truth is never going to win for the collective.

Truth and knowledge are an individualized phenomenon. Refer to the "Information Is Alive!" blog entry you can find from the link on my signature.

There isn't one truth, rather everyone's truth is customized to their situation.

Thus collective anything will always be a destruction of individual fitness.

This is why anonymity is so crucial. We used to have it with cash and postal mail, now we are losing it.

[mgburks77]

“Behold, I am sending you out as sheep in the midst of wolves, so be wise as serpents and innocent as doves."

Always good advice 

[rpietila]

Risto don't you know that propaganda defeats propaganda.

This statement is false.

The masses are so confused and will always be.

Buzz me when you grow up.  

(no offense brother, but you drank too much socialist Koolaid, I detected it in you when we were Skyping about China and you got offended when I said they are still Communists. I don't hate Chinese, I hate the ideology of State control and the common Chinese inspiration of a "better society" from it).

I am thinking of perhaps writing a longer post about it, but lets say the ascending order of truthfulness goes like this:

0. Depopulationists. Everything they do is evil and a lie, and the ultimate source is Satan.

1. Statists and criminals. They are wrong and unjust.

2. Libertarians. They are not right, but at least they don't harm others.

3. God's economy. Everything God does is true and if He inspires people, it is also true.

Note that a person can change domain, for example Snowden was working with the depopulationists (0), but decided that it is not fitting and wanted himself and the world to be more free (2). Now he is protected by Russian government (1). Whether Snowden's actions were from the Spirit of God (3) remains to be seen in the next age.

So I understand that you "hate" Chinese as they are statist and infiltrated by NWO. Your level is higher. Did I do sth wrong?

[rpietila]

  It is most important to keep the sustenance for human life - clean water, organic food, basic skills for building shelter, right to bear arms, raise animals, cultivate land, heat your house, etc. The depopulationists try to make it as difficult as possible for people to take care of themselves.

Straying from topic, but you started it

   Self-sufficiency is very important. It is also important for those of us with the resources and vision to also prepare on the behalf of those worthy contributors to society that lack either vision or resources. People with practical skills and minds have significant value to society (survival, prosperity of all) even if they lack the foresight or resources to prepare for what is likely coming. Some can be woken with no more than a nudge and an internet link, but even those unwilling to look may be solid contributors in future. Sure, there are plenty of parasites out there, with little to contribute in any way, but a good number of the sheep are still required. Make sure to include a few in your preparations!

I have a manor that we will develop to be a self-sufficient 5 star Bitcoin conference spa hotel Herzlich willkommen everybody to see the place and stay a few nights starting from approx. August when we get some rooms ready!

[windjc]

  It is most important to keep the sustenance for human life - clean water, organic food, basic skills for building shelter, right to bear arms, raise animals, cultivate land, heat your house, etc. The depopulationists try to make it as difficult as possible for people to take care of themselves.

Straying from topic, but you started it

   Self-sufficiency is very important. It is also important for those of us with the resources and vision to also prepare on the behalf of those worthy contributors to society that lack either vision or resources. People with practical skills and minds have significant value to society (survival, prosperity of all) even if they lack the foresight or resources to prepare for what is likely coming. Some can be woken with no more than a nudge and an internet link, but even those unwilling to look may be solid contributors in future. Sure, there are plenty of parasites out there, with little to contribute in any way, but a good number of the sheep are still required. Make sure to include a few in your preparations!

I have a manor that we will develop to be a self-sufficient 5 star Bitcoin conference spa hotel Herzlich willkommen everybody to see the place and stay a few nights starting from approx. August when we get some rooms ready!

Would you post pictures of the renovation? I think this would do a lot of increase interest and make people even more curious to see it in person.

[BitChick]

Risto don't you know that propaganda defeats propaganda.

This statement is false.

The masses are so confused and will always be.

Buzz me when you grow up.  

(no offense brother, but you drank too much socialist Koolaid, I detected it in you when we were Skyping about China and you got offended when I said they are still Communists. I don't hate Chinese, I hate the ideology of State control and the common Chinese inspiration of a "better society" from it).

I am thinking of perhaps writing a longer post about it, but lets say the ascending order of truthfulness goes like this:

0. Depopulationists. Everything they do is evil and a lie, and the ultimate source is Satan.

1. Statists and criminals. They are wrong and unjust.

2. Libertarians. They are not right, but at least they don't harm others.

3. God's economy. Everything God does is true and if He inspires people, it is also true.

Note that a person can change domain, for example Snowden was working with the depopulationists (0), but decided that it is not fitting and wanted himself and the world to be more free (2). Now he is protected by Russian government (1). Whether Snowden's actions were from the Spirit of God (3) remains to be seen in the next age.

So I understand that you "hate" Chinese as they are statist and infiltrated by NWO. Your level is higher. Did I do sth wrong?

Interesting breakdown on how you see things.

Could it be even more simple than that?  Perhaps there are just two "economies." God's economy or Satan's economy?

I do like your comment that "Everything God does is true and if He inspires people, it is also true."  God is for truth and justice and wants us to love each other.  The reason he hates sin so much is sin really is anything that causes harm to others.  So if we really all truly loved God and did not Sin we would do what it best for everyone around us.  If leaders loved God they would do the same for those that they were leading and so on.  What is Satan's main goal?  He wants us to love ourselves.  Selfishness is his main goal.  It causes harm to others.  So I guess I see it more black and white.  Sure there are "shades of gray" in that sometimes we have to check our own motives and ask which side are we really on.