[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[dazbarlby]

I think we should ask these guys if they will add DASH.

Their charts look very nice.

https://cryptowat.ch

[toknormal]

If you are from the USA you should be able to see it with a normal browser. Otherwise, you could use https://www.4proxy.us/ with the bitcoinwisdom link (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/drkbtc) to properly see the chart. Make sure you opt-out "[Default] Include mini URL-form on every page", because it will screw up the view. Full credits go to one of your community members, who "invented" this method.

That works nice - thanks ! Also to the contributors of other suggestions.

[dazbarlby]

Thats me screwed for charts now.

No Bitcoinwisdom support for Cryptsy and no Bitfinex at all.

I suppose I can read the order book and imagine the charts. I've looked at them often enough  

There actually is support, but it's "blocked" in some countries. If you are from the USA you should be able to see it with a normal browser. Otherwise, you could use https://www.4proxy.us/ with the bitcoinwisdom link (https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/cryptsy/drkbtc) to properly see the chart. Make sure you opt-out "[Default] Include mini URL-form on every page", because it will screw up the view. Full credits go to one of your community members, who "invented" this method.

If you're in chrome you can use the javascript console (Ctrl+Shift+J) and run the following code to remove the 4proxy.us bar and the advert.

$('body div').first().hide(); $('#leftbar').hide()

Ctrl+Shift+J will close the Javascript console again

Edit: changed the code slightly

[AzzAz]

enforcement off? Got nice payment, two in 10 hrs according to ninja. Nothing in wallet...

[Solarminer]

Check out the latest Let's Talk Bitcoin podcast "EB94 Gavin Andersen".  It talks about the block size debate and details about the little bit of bitcoin governance.   
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/epicenter-bitcoin-94-gavin-andresen-on-the-blocksize-and-bitcoins-governance

Couple quotes. (paraphrasing)
Gavin: There are currently no systems of decentralized governance.
     Ah, I know of one....

Gavin: There are 3 full time developers getting paid to work on Bitcoin. 
     Crazy to see only 3 people maintaining a 3.3 million dollar marketcap coin.  DASH with only 1/235th of that size has a blockchain that can pay about 1 full time developer directly.  If DASH were at Bitcoin's size it could fund 235 full time people. Now that is progress!

Gavin: I don't think it is a good idea to change to a variable block size vs a halving every 4 years.
    Hmm. I guess we will see the pain with this next year during the Bitcoin block halving.  Half the miners will need to stop, or the Bitcoin price will need to double overnight.  Glad DASH changes with a minor 7% change every year.

[qwizzie]

enforcement off? Got nice payment, two in 10 hrs according to ninja. Nothing in wallet...

I dont think so, i think dashninja.pl is still sometimes showing incorrect last paid info.
To be sure check your wallet with one of the official blockchain explorers from page 1

[ddink7]

Check out the latest Let's Talk Bitcoin podcast "EB94 Gavin Andersen".  It talks about the block size debate and details about the little bit of bitcoin governance.   
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/epicenter-bitcoin-94-gavin-andresen-on-the-blocksize-and-bitcoins-governance

Couple quotes. (paraphrasing)
Gavin: There are currently no systems of decentralized governance.
     Ah, I know of one....

Does anybody know how to contact LTB and correct that misconception?

[the-baker]

If you're in chrome you can use the javascript console (Ctrl+Shift+J) and run the following code to remove the 4proxy.us bar and the advert.

$('body div').first().hide(); $('#leftbar').hide()

Ctrl+Shift+J will close the Javascript console again

Edit: changed the code slightly

You can also just right-click on element's background, select "Inspect Element" and then press backspace. No need for custom Javascript

Edit: ...and here's the bikeshedded JS for good measure :-)

$('body > div:first-of-type, #leftbar').remove();

[qwizzie]

Talking about masternode payments, is it me or do the MN payments seem to have like a 3 day period these days ?

[TanteStefana2]

Check out the latest Let's Talk Bitcoin podcast "EB94 Gavin Andersen".  It talks about the block size debate and details about the little bit of bitcoin governance.   
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/epicenter-bitcoin-94-gavin-andresen-on-the-blocksize-and-bitcoins-governance

Couple quotes. (paraphrasing)
Gavin: There are currently no systems of decentralized governance.
     Ah, I know of one....

Gavin: There are 3 full time developers getting paid to work on Bitcoin. 
     Crazy to see only 3 people maintaining a 3.3 million dollar marketcap coin.  DASH with only 1/235th of that size has a blockchain that can pay about 1 full time developer directly.  If DASH were at Bitcoin's size it could fund 235 full time people. Now that is progress!

Gavin: I don't think it is a good idea to change to a variable block size vs a halving every 4 years.
    Hmm. I guess we will see the pain with this next year during the Bitcoin block halving.  Half the miners will need to stop, or the Bitcoin price will need to double overnight.  Glad DASH changes with a minor 7% change every year.

Really? Really?  Kind thoughtful words from a BTC developer?  My heart melts!  Thanks Mr. Anderson for finally looking at this project with an open mind!

[kadrek]

Talking about masternode payments, is it me or do the MN payments seem to have like a 3 day period these days ?

Same for me for a while.

[qwizzie]

Talking about masternode payments, is it me or do the MN payments seem to have like a 3 day period these days ?

Same for me for a while.

I guess the previously used reference node just wasnt as efficient as this decentralised method of processing mn payments

[AzzAz]

Talking about masternode payments, is it me or do the MN payments seem to have like a 3 day period these days ?

Same for me for a while.

I guess the previously used reference node just wasnt as efficient as this decentralised method of processing mn payments

Something strange. My was payed after almost 6 days...
And now wallet stopps at 75%. V51...

[tungfa]

Check out the latest Let's Talk Bitcoin podcast "EB94 Gavin Andersen".  It talks about the block size debate and details about the little bit of bitcoin governance.  
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/epicenter-bitcoin-94-gavin-andresen-on-the-blocksize-and-bitcoins-governance

Couple quotes. (paraphrasing)
Gavin: There are currently no systems of decentralized governance.
     Ah, I know of one....

Does anybody know how to contact LTB and correct that misconception?

post in comments please
(i just did)

Edit
i just send the 2 hosts an email
as i was in touch with them recently about Dash.
(honestly they have no idea about our tech)

[qwizzie]

Talking about masternode payments, is it me or do the MN payments seem to have like a 3 day period these days ?

Same for me for a while.

I guess the previously used reference node just wasnt as efficient as this decentralised method of processing mn payments

Something strange. My was payed after almost 6 days...
And now wallet stopps at 75%. V51...

There is a fix in github for having wallets hang at 75% during sync of masternode winners, wait for next update or remove all .dat files except your wallet.dat and start yr wallet. It may take awhile but it will get there.
Did you do any cold wallet "masternode start passphrase" in those 6 days ? Because that would put you back behind in the line again.

[UdjinM6]

Talking about masternode payments, is it me or do the MN payments seem to have like a 3 day period these days ?

Same for me for a while.

I guess the previously used reference node just wasnt as efficient as this decentralised method of processing mn payments

Something strange. My was payed after almost 6 days...
And now wallet stopps at 75%. V51...

try "mnsync reset" in console

[AzzAz]

There is a fix in github for having wallets hang at 75% during sync of masternode winners, wait for next update or remove all .dat files except your wallet.dat and restart yr wallet.
Did you do any cold wallet "masternode start passphrase" in those 6 days ? Because that would put you back behind in the line again.

Did deleting, did restarting...no help.
Last just restarted comp and all is fine again. Windows... think it has something to do with firefox many open tabs...

[Solarminer]

Another good episode is Let's Talk Bitcoin! #241 - The 'Big Blockist' Perspective
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-241-the-big-blockist-perspective

Adam talks about the block size and puts it into perspective based on transactions available.  Currently, bitcoin can only do 2-4 transactions per second.  So if 64 million people want to transact in bitcoin, they could only make 1 transaction per year with current block size.

If we look at banking transaction, this is what is needed for blocksize for each.
US Bank Wires(150 Million transactions) = 1.7MB
Swift(international) wires(5 Billion transactions) = 53.3MB
ACH(19 Billion transactions) = 202.4MB

Thinking about the 202.4MB blocksize?  That would add 29GB to the blockchain EACH DAY.  Almost the entire size of the bitcoin blockchain today.

Now to figure out how DASH does with this same metric.  What is the average transaction size?  
I looked at a raw transaction and it had 3500 characters without spaces.  
Assuming a character is a byte then this size is 3500bytes.
/1024 to convert to KB = 3.4KB
Am I close on this?

[UdjinM6]

Another good episode is Let's Talk Bitcoin! #241 - The 'Big Blockist' Perspective
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/lets-talk-bitcoin-241-the-big-blockist-perspective

Adam talks about the block size and puts it into perspective based on transactions available.  Currently, bitcoin can only do 2-4 transactions per second.  So if 64 million people want to transact in bitcoin, they could only make 1 transaction per year with current block size.

If we look at banking transaction, this is what is needed for blocksize for each.
US Bank Wires(150 Million transactions) = 1.7MB
Swift(international) wires(5 Billion transactions) = 53.3MB
ACH(19 Billion transactions) = 202.4MB

Thinking about the 202.4MB blocksize?  That would add 29GB to the blockchain EACH DAY.  Almost the entire size of the bitcoin blockchain today.

Now to figure out how DASH does with this same metric.  What is the average transaction size?  
I looked at a raw transaction and it had 3500 characters without spaces.  
Assuming a character is a byte then this size is 3500bytes.
/1024 to convert to KB = 3.4KB
Am I close on this?

block size: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/size-dash.html
number of txes per day: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-dash.html
number of blocks per day: https://chainz.cryptoid.info/dash/#!overview

(number of blocks per day) x (block size) / (number of txes per day)

EDIT: wrong chart, fixed

[Solarminer]

Check out the latest Let's Talk Bitcoin podcast "EB94 Gavin Andersen".  It talks about the block size debate and details about the little bit of bitcoin governance.   
https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/epicenter-bitcoin-94-gavin-andresen-on-the-blocksize-and-bitcoins-governance

Couple quotes. (paraphrasing)
Gavin: There are currently no systems of decentralized governance.
     Ah, I know of one....

Gavin: There are 3 full time developers getting paid to work on Bitcoin.
     Crazy to see only 3 people maintaining a 3.3 million dollar marketcap coin.  DASH with only 1/235th of that size has a blockchain that can pay about 1 full time developer directly.  If DASH were at Bitcoin's size it could fund 235 full time people. Now that is progress!

Gavin: I don't think it is a good idea to change to a variable block size vs a halving every 4 years.
    Hmm. I guess we will see the pain with this next year during the Bitcoin block halving.  Half the miners will need to stop, or the Bitcoin price will need to double overnight.  Glad DASH changes with a minor 7% change every year.

Really? Really?  Kind thoughtful words from a BTC developer?  My heart melts!  Thanks Mr. Anderson for finally looking at this project with an open mind!

Gavin only said the underlined stuff.  My comments are under his.