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[georgem]

now bare with me for a minute [...]

*Raises hands* Whoa, whoa! Ok there! Let's start again. 

("bare" vs "bear" for those who don't get it)

lol,... I fixed it. 

[nsimmons]

I think the people here supporting censorship in the name of the children have a very poor grasp of history.  You guys crying for moral judgement on bits of data are one step removed from burning books, then burning people. Control of information, any information, is the primary m.o. for any power structure from ancient Greece to today.

At the rate we're going we'll soon need a retinal scan for accessing the internet, you know for terrorists and pedophiles. This is the modern equivalent of being denied access to literature.

[coins101]

Red 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO Berlinetta
Red 1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB California Spyder
Red 1957 Ferrari 250 GT California LWB Prototype Spyder

My kind of porn. Anyone tries to stop me looking at pictures of these, I'm buying one of Cams guns.

[Sniggly]

I understand your point of view. To further save us typing back and forth, it boils down to you valuing free speech above moral implications vs. me applying a morality that is greater than free speech.

A quick note, I believe free speech in and of itself is a moral issue as well.

No it's more complex than that. The big issue is "Who decides what's cp and what isn't?" That's where censorship comes unstuck because someone has to apply a ruling based on their moral position and "their moral position" then becomes the interpretation for everyone else, which takes us right back to centralisation and control.

I'm almost gob smacked we're needing to have  this conversation. The technical complexities of filtering a "DarkTor" are absurd in the extreme. The legal/responsibility and actual "who/when/how" of this censorship is a whole other consideration that takes the concept to even greater levels of infeasibility.

Honestly, you're in the wrong place if you can't understand just how incompatible is the notion of excluding certain types of content from a private/anonymous network. As cyanez has pointed out, the concepts are mutually exclusive and would completely kill this project if attempted.

^This.  THIS.  Now the tap root is being exposed.  In all instances of compulsion and censorship there ends up being a 'deciding authority' that is by definition (and self evident)....singular.  This is to be avoided at all costs.  Some would counter with, "we'll just set up a board of people....".  When that happens accountability goes out the window....with those making the suggestion that it would be more fair and objective.  But they forget the role of every single persons philosophy and derived ethical system.  Now the problem exists on a much larger and exponentially harder to define scale.

Darkproton - I wasn't trying to back you into a corner.  I think you are very capable of articulating yourself.  I was attempting to get you to place, with some finality, just exactly where the moral obligation you mention is born and whom carries the bulk of the that burden.  Answering those questions should lead you somewhere.  

[Propulsion]

Red 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO Berlinetta
Red 1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB California Spyder
Red 1957 Ferrari 250 GT California LWB Prototype Spyder

My kind of porn. Anyone tries to stop me looking at pictures of these, I'm buying one of Cams guns.

Nothing compared to a 1968 Ford GT40. http://www.supercars.net/cars/691.html

You know, the one that was built to demolish Ferrari in Le Man's because Enzo wouldn't sell to Henry.

Oh, and if you've never seen this site; my god man! http://www.supercars.net/lists/completeA.html

[georgem]

I think the people here supporting censorship in the name of the children have a very poor grasp of history.  You guys crying for moral judgement on bits of data are one step removed from burning books, then burning people. Control of information, any information, is the primary m.o. for any power structure from ancient Greece to today.

At the rate we're going we'll soon need a retinal scan for accessing the internet, you know for terrorists and pedophiles. This is the modern equivalent of being denied access to literature.

+1

Excellent concise summation of the fallacy of asking government to solve problems by giving up freedom.

[coins101]

Red 1962 Ferrari 250 GTO Berlinetta
Red 1962 Ferrari 250 GT SWB California Spyder
Red 1957 Ferrari 250 GT California LWB Prototype Spyder

My kind of porn. Anyone tries to stop me looking at pictures of these, I'm buying one of Cams guns.

Nothing compared to a 1968 Ford GT40. http://www.supercars.net/cars/691.html

You know, the one that was built to demolish Ferrari in Le Man's because Enzo wouldn't sell to Henry.

Oh, and if you've never seen this site; my god man! http://www.supercars.net/lists/completeA.html

Beginners luck.

(good list, thanks  )

[Terzo]

I think it's good to remember that when the RC2 issues happened I was working completely alone. That means that all bug fixes, reporting, communication and literally everything else was coming from only me. Since then we've gained a loyal team of people helping out part time with the project. We've made huge leaps in progress from then to now including nearly finishing Darksend (I'm open sourcing it in a couple weeks), getting a foundation started and getting a better vision of what we want Darkcoin to be in the future.

There's also talk about core architecture needing to be completely redone? That's definitely not true at all. Darksend is pretty much in the form that it will be released in. I have a couple of security updates to make, some commenting and we're finished and ready to go.

In short I'm not even sure what the problem is. The project is trending up and we're making huge progress. The only thing lagging is the price. I would guess that's what's causing the nervousness in the community. Because everything else is solid. The price will eventually follow the progress, it just takes time for one to start influencing the other.

bump

[thelonecrouton]

Someone please point me to a single instance, in all of human history, where censorship/prohibition has either worked (at all) or led to the greater good.

[coins101]

Someone please point me to a single instance, in all of human history, where censorship/prohibition has either worked (at all) or led to the greater good.

* The Virgin Birth
* Islam

 

[BiteMyShinyMetalAss]

Someone please point me to a single instance, in all of human history, where censorship/prohibition has either worked (at all) or led to the greater good.

* The Virgin Birth
* Islam

 

North Korea, the leaders are pretty happy! or Russia...

[splawik21]

Someone please point me to a single instance, in all of human history, where censorship/prohibition has either worked (at all) or led to the greater good.

* The Virgin Birth
* Islam

 

North Korea, the leaders are pretty happy! or Russia...

My wife`s regime

[coins101]

Would be great to eventually brand and name it something that promotes these aspects of its use.  I love Tor and its capabilities, just hate the word Tor as it has been smeared in the mainstream. But makes sense to call it DarkTor in the present stages as it easily explains what it is.

Could call it DarkMesh or something similar so its not "Tor"

Don't call it Dark or Tor, or any combination.

Call it Web 3.0.

Average Joe and Jane will simply think there is a new internet being created. One where you are not tracked to death by those wanting to sell you something based on what you have been browsing recently or what you were just discussing on Facebook or Twitter.

If you give it a generic label resembling something people already trust, you beat the name association game of, Tor = bad, Dark = bad, DarkTor = very fucking bad.

Bitcoin has had to fight a similar problem. Its taking years and years to shake off the negative images that the media were able to cast on it.

Web 3.0 has a ready made narrative: we are pissed off with all the shit ads being targeted at us by internet giants needing to show quarter by quarter revenue growth.

We think the internet is free, but its not. We pay by allowing others access to our identities, and we don't even ask them to pay for it.

If you maintain this status, you will lose your identity because you can become a media campaign and herded to buy things at given times of they day, week, month or year.

Stop being sheep. Pay up $0.10 in DRK to use Web 3.0.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112415/a-glimpse-into-xcurrencys-mission-to-decentralize-everything

 

I don't mind that they copy me, I mind that they don't have any ideas of their own

[Propulsion]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112415/a-glimpse-into-xcurrencys-mission-to-decentralize-everything

 

I don't mind that they copy me, I mind that they don't have any ideas of their own

Pretty much. Everything Darkcoin does they try to do the same. (albeit worse) They're copycats and their marketcap and trading volume reflects that. They still talk about Chaeplin actually.
(prepare for the onslaught of shills)

[splawik21]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112415/a-glimpse-into-xcurrencys-mission-to-decentralize-everything

 

I don't mind that they copy me, I mind that they don't have any ideas of their own

Pretty much. Everything Darkcoin does they try to do the same. (albeit worse) They're copycats and their marketcap and trading volume reflects that. They still talk about Chaeplin actually.
(prepare for the onslaught of shills)

No, they don`t try to do the same, they only write they will do but the truth is they never do anything for their own, only waiting for open source of all darkocin features.

[Brilliantrocket]

Seems like all that XC is capable of is ripping off Darkcoin's ideas. Not much of a surprise, given their history.

[coins101]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112415/a-glimpse-into-xcurrencys-mission-to-decentralize-everything

 

I don't mind that they copy me, I mind that they don't have any ideas of their own

Pretty much. Everything Darkcoin does they try to do the same. (albeit worse) They're copycats and their marketcap and trading volume reflects that. They still talk about Chaeplin actually.
(prepare for the onslaught of shills)

No, they don`t try to do the same, they only write it but never doing anything for their own, only waiting to open source of all features.

Yeah, they are waiting for DRK to open source.

Shills - fuck'em. Bring it on.

They are nothing more than a case study for patent lawyers to show prospective clients.

[Freckleg]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112415/a-glimpse-into-xcurrencys-mission-to-decentralize-everything

 

I don't mind that they copy me, I mind that they don't have any ideas of their own

Pretty much. Everything Darkcoin does they try to do the same. (albeit worse) They're copycats and their marketcap and trading volume reflects that. They still talk about Chaeplin actually.
(prepare for the onslaught of shills)

No, they don`t try to do the same, they only write it but never doing anything for their own, only waiting to open source of all features.

Yeah, they are waiting for DRK to open source.

Shills - fuck'em. Bring it on.

They are nothing more than a case study for patent lawyers to show prospective clients.

last one to sell his Xcurrency (Xcoin) is a looooooooooser!! By god you have to be dumber than.......an Xcurrency holder if you hold XCurrency

[patrolman]

I tend to agree with the quite controversial position of rick falkvinge when it comes to child pornography:

http://falkvinge.net/2012/09/07/three-reasons-child-porn-must-be-re-legalized-in-the-coming-decade/

The creation of childporn is a horrible crime, and I wouldn't mind strangling those creators with my own hands.

But what about the possession of child porn ? (now bear with me for a minute, and read the article I posted above, it is very enlightening.)

How come I could be prosecuted like a child molestor if someone finds a child porn pic on my pc?
If the single possession of such a pic constitutes a crime, doesn't this make it the perfect tool to frame somebody?
Just smuggle such a pic on my pc and anonymously inform the police, and there goes my life. It's insane.

I say that any file no matter its content should be legal.

We must stop this extremely dangerous discussion that the only solution to the problem of childporn is that we all must be censored and let the government control our harddisks.
Because the endgame of this is pure totalitarianism.

Don't let the puritans and moralists take your rights away under false pretenses.
They DO NOT WANT to go after child molesters, in fact their only goal is to take our rights away.

Wake up people, we must find real solutions against child molesters, not false insane solutions that lead to a totalitarian state.

I was a bit taken aback in reading the link you posted but had enjoyed several great articles on falkvinge.net in the past, so didn't hesitate to take a look. I think he hits the nail right on the head with this one. I'm sure close to 100% of those who post here are disgusted by child pornography, myself included. However, the arguments he makes for re-legalising cp are very convincing. I suppose it could also be argued that if cp were legalised, it might be easier to track down the perpertrators of these horrendous acts.

DarkTOR/DarkNet should be free from censorship.

[r-ando]

This could be a distinguishing feature to create a moat (In the Warren Buffett sense) A perceptual moat and also a physical moat of certitude, if you connect through this you kids can no longer be exposed to pornography while utilizing the web system that supports the information used for daily business, such as goods and payments Think about a kid who looks up a toy online and gets directed to a sex toy with sexual popups or something like this, all of a sudden this would be avoided and this could be used as a selling point too.

Creating this would require a designated blacklist. It should be the end user's responsibility to create one for their own personal computers than to require a mandatory one on all users.

Eventually people will connect to whichever Internet they want to depending on what they want to do.

Exactly. Even if it was decided to impose censorship on the network, there would always be a way around it. Once again, it's better to let the end user decide on what content get's displayed to them.

we are open to compromise as long as the fundamentals of freedom we believe in stay true.

Once information becomes hard to obtain regardless of what it is, your freedom of information becomes moot.

We understand this could seem like a favouritism towards other kinds of industries, however we are not making a judgment on the specifics of any businesses

You are making a judgement by trying to purge adult entertainment industries from the get go. Personally, I like adult entertainment; it's natural.

Now do i prevent my own kids from watching porn? Absolutely! Yet that is done with my own internal home network not a global ban.

TLDR;

Basically Rando, while the idea is noble, it shouldn't be a requirement on a global basis. End users should take their own precautions on what type of content they and or others are exposed to.

Great feedback Propulsion! Thank you! So basically it would be better to incorporate a filter option for kids or sensitives... a Darkcoin Kids wallet and browser? Maybe Darkcoin Business version too, so employers know no adult content is being streamed of downloaded on their office systems without their knowledge ?