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March 15, 2014, 08:17:57 PM
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p2pool node

2014-03-15 19:36:50 Misbehaving: 176.31.117.210:9999 (0 -> 100) DISCONNECTING  / darkcoin.fr
2014-03-15 19:38:50 Misbehaving: 42.121.58.91:9999 (0 -> 100) DISCONNECTING   / china

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im fully updated http://62.141.39.175:7903/static/

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March 15, 2014, 08:23:55 PM
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Will try with the newer (v0.9.0.1) git, hopefully this time it is ok for my p2pool...
I hate to say that but this was really not a smooth hard fork. :/
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March 15, 2014, 08:25:09 PM
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Mac OS X Client 0.9 update available:
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Donations: XxR1ixRziVcAxoSgjkaRvNJtu4jSYHgnkj
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Thanks for your work. I just sent 5 DRK. You'll have to excuse me and my grad student salary for not sparing more. Tongue

hi eizh, thank you very much!

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March 15, 2014, 08:26:05 PM
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Already darkcoin forks popping up, if darkcoin wants to be a success there has to be more innovation ^^.

More innovation? You mean like the DGW, that was implemented literally a few minutes ago?

DarkCoin "forks" popping up that don't contain DGW or DarkSend....

More like Litecoin forks with scientific hashing.  Cheesy

AS i sayd, i think darkcoin took a great track, but it has to sustain. There is a very good reason im here now Wink, and its the only alt crypto i ever recognized as worth my time .

I wholeheartedly agree. This can't be the end of the innovation by any means - DRK needs to be understood as THE privacy innovation crypto, and we all need to get behind Evan on that. All these pump-dumpers complaining that "Darksend's never finished" can go hang. Any dev worth the project they're working on knows encryption features are never 100% "done". I'd love to see it to be the first cryptocoin to implement the latest developments in quantum cryptography, or something similarly newsworthy. I have no idea if that's even possible, but we need to shoot for the stars!
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March 15, 2014, 08:29:55 PM
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Will try with the newer (v0.9.0.1) git, hopefully this time it is ok for my p2pool...
I hate to say that but this was really not a smooth hard fork. :/

Should be ok for darkcoin.fr:7903 now:
Code:
$ ./bin/darkcoind getinfo
{
    "version" : 90000,
    "protocolversion" : 70002,
    "walletversion" : 60000,
    "balance" : 0.00000000,
    "blocks" : 34160,
    "timeoffset" : 0,
    "connections" : 2,
    "proxy" : "",
    "difficulty" : 279.20185059,
    "testnet" : false,
    "keypoololdest" : 1394017965,
    "keypoolsize" : 101,
    "paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
    "mininput" : 0.00001000,
    "errors" : ""
}

$ ./bin/darkcoind getblockhash 34146
00000000005670c28cbd15569061464b9ade0dcd52aac046dd90d62675f782a0
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March 15, 2014, 08:36:07 PM
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Okay, I want to fully understand this.  Step By Step, is this how the DarkSend Protocol is actually working?

1.  A 'Master Node' for the current round is algorithmically selected on a (pseudo) random basis based on a hash of information in the blockchain. (so everybody who does it selects the same master node).

2. People who want to participate in a coinmix send the 'Master Node' 0.1 Dark (deposit), a redemption address and a 'redemption code' per input.  

3. The 'Master Node' collects information from the participants about how much they want in outputs and creates a transaction (with no inputs yet).

4. 'Master Node' collects signatures from all participants agreeing to the set of all outputs, and updates the transaction.

5. All participants break connection and connect to the network via a new set of peers, making it harder to associate inputs with outputs via network monitoring.

6. Participants communicate transaction inputs to the master node and the master node updates the transaction again.  

7. Participants now provide signatures (over the whole transaction) to 'spend' inputs.  If all inputs are now valid, the transaction is published.

8.  Everybody breaks connection again, reconnecting via a new set of peers,

9.  If all inputs are now valid as spends, the transaction is published and protocol goes to step 11.

10.  The master node creates a new version of the transaction not including the unsigned inputs, and protocol goes to step 3.

11. For each spent input, participants may now send a message to the master node, giving a nonce which, together with the input spent, forms a preimage for their redemption token.  The master node responds by sending them 0.1 Dark.  

If that's right, then the master node can connect inputs and outputs.  Also, the master node can just take everybody's (or anybody's) deposit and stop.   If the master node is honest, then there is no evidence left outside the master node about which inputs go with which outputs.  If the master node is dishonest, then he can later (after the anonymized coins are spent) make an a ransom demand offering to connect inputs with outputs unless he is paid.  

Surely the master node shouldn't be trusted this much, so I must have it wrong.  Can someone please correct me?


You have the general idea down, but how signing works is completely off.

1.  A 'Master Node' for the current round is algorithmically selected on a (pseudo) random basis based on a hash of information in the blockchain -- Perfect

2. The second stage users deposit their inputs. It's just the info to prove they have the money at this point with the collateral tx. Inputs are checked for validity here by the memory pool. You're not allowed in unless your input/collateral is OK.

3. The third stage a user will deposit their outputs they'd like to pay.

4. The forth stage a user signs their input away to ALL outputs present. This includes checks to make sure the transaction pays the party they want. Each input can be signed away COMPLETELY independently of the rest.

5. Signatures are broadcasted and compiled by the master

6. The transaction is verified and broaded if valid.

7.  Everybody breaks connection again, reconnecting via a new set of peers,

"For each spent input, participants may now send a message to the master node, giving a nonce which, together with the input spent, forms a preimage for their redemption token.  The master node responds by sending them 0.1 Dark. "

The implementation doesn't require a redemption token, nonce or anything like this. I don't know where you got that from.

The collateral transaction is made out from you to the master node. It can only be cashed by the masternode (it requires the signature of the master node to cash) and it's only valid for a few minutes.

"If that's right, then the master node can connect inputs and outputs."

That's true, the master node must be able to tie them together to anonymize the transaction. It's the same problem as mixing services too, except in our cause we pick a random node from the network, so it's much safer.

"Also, the master node can just take everybody's (or anybody's) deposit and stop."

That's not true, when you sign the input, you're signing it away to the outputs in the merged transaction. If it looks correct, then you'll sign. There's no risk because it requires your signature.

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March 15, 2014, 08:41:20 PM
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one more diff graph
http://darkcoin.mine.nu/line.html



using step.
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March 15, 2014, 08:42:29 PM
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Already darkcoin forks popping up, if darkcoin wants to be a success there has to be more innovation ^^.

More innovation? You mean like the DGW, that was implemented literally a few minutes ago?

DarkCoin "forks" popping up that don't contain DGW or DarkSend....

More like Litecoin forks with scientific hashing.  Cheesy

AS i sayd, i think darkcoin took a great track, but it has to sustain. There is a very good reason im here now Wink, and its the only alt crypto i ever recognized as worth my time .

I wholeheartedly agree. This can't be the end of the innovation by any means - DRK needs to be understood as THE privacy innovation crypto, and we all need to get behind Evan on that. All these pump-dumpers complaining that "Darksend's never finished" can go hang. Any dev worth the project they're working on knows encryption features are never 100% "done". I'd love to see it to be the first cryptocoin to implement the latest developments in quantum cryptography, or something similarly newsworthy. I have no idea if that's even possible, but we need to shoot for the stars!

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darkcoin can be a real example of what alt cryptos should do instead of pump and dump, bring real innovation and force the rest to take notice.
I still love the comparison on bitcoin concerning the casette to cd to dvd to blueray to streaming thing. Those who dont innovate will go under, those who bring cool stuff in a way the competition cant keep up (see apple, google etc) will flourish and take lead.
Bring the innovations and the rest will come as people will take notice its worth to spent time eventually even developing on and around darkcoin, it can be a prime example on how an altcoin can even challenge the gaint bitcoin.

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March 15, 2014, 08:43:05 PM
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Already darkcoin forks popping up, if darkcoin wants to be a success there has to be more innovation ^^.

More innovation? You mean like the DGW, that was implemented literally a few minutes ago?

DarkCoin "forks" popping up that don't contain DGW or DarkSend....

More like Litecoin forks with scientific hashing.  Cheesy

AS i sayd, i think darkcoin took a great track, but it has to sustain. There is a very good reason im here now Wink, and its the only alt crypto i ever recognized as worth my time .

I wholeheartedly agree. This can't be the end of the innovation by any means - DRK needs to be understood as THE privacy innovation crypto, and we all need to get behind Evan on that. All these pump-dumpers complaining that "Darksend's never finished" can go hang. Any dev worth the project they're working on knows encryption features are never 100% "done". I'd love to see it to be the first cryptocoin to implement the latest developments in quantum cryptography, or something similarly newsworthy. I have no idea if that's even possible, but we need to shoot for the stars!

Well like I've said before, this is my full time job. After DarkSend is done and opensourced, we'll move on to whatever the community wants. I just want to make a coin to take the 2nd spot, I think we can do it. There's not many coins with a full time dev onboard.

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March 15, 2014, 08:43:23 PM
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A random master node for each transaction.



 Grin All the way to the DarkBank

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March 15, 2014, 08:49:37 PM
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i did not update wallet and sended out the coins whit the old wallet

did i now loze all my coins ?>
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March 15, 2014, 08:53:34 PM
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Already darkcoin forks popping up, if darkcoin wants to be a success there has to be more innovation ^^.

More innovation? You mean like the DGW, that was implemented literally a few minutes ago?

DarkCoin "forks" popping up that don't contain DGW or DarkSend....

More like Litecoin forks with scientific hashing.  Cheesy

AS i sayd, i think darkcoin took a great track, but it has to sustain. There is a very good reason im here now Wink, and its the only alt crypto i ever recognized as worth my time .

I wholeheartedly agree. This can't be the end of the innovation by any means - DRK needs to be understood as THE privacy innovation crypto, and we all need to get behind Evan on that. All these pump-dumpers complaining that "Darksend's never finished" can go hang. Any dev worth the project they're working on knows encryption features are never 100% "done". I'd love to see it to be the first cryptocoin to implement the latest developments in quantum cryptography, or something similarly newsworthy. I have no idea if that's even possible, but we need to shoot for the stars!

Well like I've said before, this is my full time job. After DarkSend is done and opensourced, we'll move on to whatever the community wants. I just want to make a coin to take the 2nd spot, I think we can do it. There's not many coins with a full time dev onboard.

And not every dev is so innovative Cheesy

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March 15, 2014, 08:54:23 PM
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i did not update wallet and sended out the coins whit the old wallet

did i now loze all my coins ?>

I don't think so.

http://explorer.darkcoin.io/chain/DarkCoin check.
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March 15, 2014, 08:57:43 PM
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Already darkcoin forks popping up, if darkcoin wants to be a success there has to be more innovation ^^.

More innovation? You mean like the DGW, that was implemented literally a few minutes ago?

DarkCoin "forks" popping up that don't contain DGW or DarkSend....

More like Litecoin forks with scientific hashing.  Cheesy

AS i sayd, i think darkcoin took a great track, but it has to sustain. There is a very good reason im here now Wink, and its the only alt crypto i ever recognized as worth my time .

I wholeheartedly agree. This can't be the end of the innovation by any means - DRK needs to be understood as THE privacy innovation crypto, and we all need to get behind Evan on that. All these pump-dumpers complaining that "Darksend's never finished" can go hang. Any dev worth the project they're working on knows encryption features are never 100% "done". I'd love to see it to be the first cryptocoin to implement the latest developments in quantum cryptography, or something similarly newsworthy. I have no idea if that's even possible, but we need to shoot for the stars!

Well like I've said before, this is my full time job. After DarkSend is done and opensourced, we'll move on to whatever the community wants. I just want to make a coin to take the 2nd spot, I think we can do it. There's not many coins with a full time dev onboard.

And not every dev is so innovative Cheesy
beat me to it! + 1000000. Evan you are the man. Thank you for all the work you have put into darkcoin so far and for your commitment to it. The entire crypto-community is lucky to have you active and developing. Thanks again big guy
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March 15, 2014, 09:19:18 PM
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http://coinz.co.vu/diff/?drk

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March 15, 2014, 09:31:50 PM
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1) user / not updated to wallet v.0.9.0 --> i think no problem.
2) exchage /  not updated to wallet v.0.9.0 --> disaster
3) pool / not updated to wallet v.0.9.0 --> no coin

am i right ?
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March 15, 2014, 09:38:32 PM
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I cant get my coins off the old official pool the automated and manual system is not working for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who do I contact to fix this on the 20th my Coins will get taken from me.
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March 15, 2014, 09:44:33 PM
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I cant get my coins off the old official pool the automated and manual system is not working for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who do I contact to fix this on the 20th my Coins will get taken from me.

Email me at evan@darkcoin.io and we'll figure out what's going on. Thanks

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March 15, 2014, 09:45:01 PM
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1) user / not updated to wallet v.0.9.0 --> i think no problem.
2) exchage /  not updated to wallet v.0.9.0 --> disaster
3) pool / not updated to wallet v.0.9.0 --> no coin

am i right ?

Yep, except in the case of 1), you shouldn't perform any sends. The person receiving isn't really getting anything recognized by the network.
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March 15, 2014, 09:52:33 PM
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Hi,

I was wondering if someone could decipher/confirm this for me.  I made a withdrawal from Cryptsy prior to the hard fork, but the transaction remains unconfirmed.  My wallet has been updated to 0.9, but I'm now 3 hours behind synching with the network.

http://explorer.darkcoin.io/address/mzTS1swAJ3BNwxEz5oiU8Z44iGtN3asDRQ

Thanks.
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