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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545886.msg6002765#msg6002765You've got some new country coin using darkcoin.io to let people download the miner for x11 for their coin. Their site links to your file on darkcoin.io. What a bunch of retards. edit: oh and yay we've got anonymint back - thank the lord for letting us be in the presence of such genius. Also some guy named Iloveanoncoin? If your coin was so good you wouldn't be in here slinging mud.
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I'd like to thank eduffield and the other developers for this critically important evolution in virtual currency. DarkCoin is what bitcoin should have been. Some might call it "Bitcoin 2.0" but would do better by saying: "DarkCoin is digital cash." - Child Harold - February 28, 2014 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg5424980#msg5424980 |
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AnonyMint
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March 31, 2014, 03:28:46 PM |
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Here come those (newbies who don't know shit) who want to chase me away again (I was last here on pages 3xx). No problem. I can leave and come back silently to take your money instead.
Where is that foul mouth retard slyA?
Closed-source is already an indication of trouble. Also lack of detailed description of algorithms, at the level of detail necessary for a programmer like to analyze properly. Developer's statements are too general and lack detail.
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CHAOSiTEC
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March 31, 2014, 03:35:54 PM |
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Here come those (newbies who don't know shit) who want to chase me away again (I was last here on pages 3xx). No problem. I can leave and come back silently to take your money instead.
Where is that foul mouth retard slyA?
Closed-source is already an indication of trouble. Also lack of detailed description of algorithms, at the level of detail necessary for a programmer like to analyze properly.
at least read it proberly, closed source until everything is up and running, and after we have gothen 3rd party to look it through it will be open sourced... which part of this do you indicate as "trouble" also, description of algorithms, well there is 1 programmer, let him finish it up to the point when he thinks its ready, then we can throw mud on each other with regards to description |
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March 31, 2014, 03:39:16 PM |
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Here come those (newbies who don't know shit) who want to chase me away again (I was last here on pages 3xx). No problem. I can leave and come back silently to take your money instead.
Where is that foul mouth retard slyA?
Closed-source is already an indication of trouble. Also lack of detailed description of algorithms, at the level of detail necessary for a programmer like to analyze properly. Developer's statements are too general and lack detail.
I think we need to appreciate r DRK's solution to being put to the test, I would love to hear a response from Edduffield to the concerns about DOS raised by Anonymint. There needs to be thesis, antithesis and synthesis for there to be dialectic and growth. I think we should welcome critics and hope that this DOS concerns get clarified by our devs. |
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March 31, 2014, 03:40:00 PM |
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Guys, I don't know the history with AnonyMint, but please don't be dismissive. We want guys like him asking the right questions, as well as other genuine 3rd parties engaged in technical discussions. IMO, those should be done far ahead in the implementation lifecycle of a critical coin, but we can't have everything I suppose.
On the other hand we have to unfortunately deal with pure trolls like IluvAnoncoin. Every single coin community has a cancer or a few cancers they have to deal with either by
1) Ignoring them completely.
2) Troll them back.
Either way you will not win. They are just going to be the cancer you will not like. Check his profile. He doesn't have a single anoncoin, he is most likely a pseudonym for someone who was already pissed off by this coin and the community. There is no rift between anonymous coin solutions.
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CHAOSiTEC
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March 31, 2014, 03:43:46 PM |
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Guys, I don't know the history with AnonyMint, but please don't be dismissive. We want guys like him asking the right questions, as well as other genuine 3rd parties engaged in technical discussions. IMO, those should be done far ahead in the implementation lifecycle of a critical coin, but we can't have everything I suppose.
On the other hand we have to unfortunately deal with pure trolls like IluvAnoncoin. Every single coin community has a cancer or a few cancers they have to deal with either by
1) Ignoring them completely.
2) Troll them back.
Either way you will not win. They are just going to be the cancer you will not like. Check his profile. He doesn't have a single anoncoin, he is most likely a pseudonym for someone who was already pissed off by this coin and the community. There is no rift between anonymous coin solutions.
the problem with anonycoin, he is dismissive even before he has really seen it, and even before knowing anything regarding the way it works, its always good to have 3rd party to look things trough, but being desmissive before even knowing anything about this particular implementation thats more like trolling... |
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tifozi
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March 31, 2014, 03:50:22 PM |
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Guys, I don't know the history with AnonyMint, but please don't be dismissive. We want guys like him asking the right questions, as well as other genuine 3rd parties engaged in technical discussions. IMO, those should be done far ahead in the implementation lifecycle of a critical coin, but we can't have everything I suppose.
On the other hand we have to unfortunately deal with pure trolls like IluvAnoncoin. Every single coin community has a cancer or a few cancers they have to deal with either by
1) Ignoring them completely.
2) Troll them back.
Either way you will not win. They are just going to be the cancer you will not like. Check his profile. He doesn't have a single anoncoin, he is most likely a pseudonym for someone who was already pissed off by this coin and the community. There is no rift between anonymous coin solutions.
the problem with anonycoin, he is dismissive even before he has really seen it, and even before knowing anything regarding the way it works, its always good to have 3rd party to look things trough, but being desmissive before even knowing anything about this particular implementation thats more like trolling... We are talking about two different folks here (hopefully) AnonyMint: Asking good questions. Long time member. ILoveAnonCoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=276866 -> Check his posts. Pure Troll. No approach is correct against these types of cancer. Is most likely the hungsukmom character or someone similar. Anyways back to technical discussions  Sorry for the short offtopic. |
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March 31, 2014, 04:18:51 PM |
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Guys, I don't know the history with AnonyMint, but please don't be dismissive. We want guys like him asking the right questions, as well as other genuine 3rd parties engaged in technical discussions. IMO, those should be done far ahead in the implementation lifecycle of a critical coin, but we can't have everything I suppose.
On the other hand we have to unfortunately deal with pure trolls like IluvAnoncoin. Every single coin community has a cancer or a few cancers they have to deal with either by
1) Ignoring them completely.
2) Troll them back.
Either way you will not win. They are just going to be the cancer you will not like. Check his profile. He doesn't have a single anoncoin, he is most likely a pseudonym for someone who was already pissed off by this coin and the community. There is no rift between anonymous coin solutions.
the problem with anonycoin, he is dismissive even before he has really seen it, and even before knowing anything regarding the way it works, its always good to have 3rd party to look things trough, but being desmissive before even knowing anything about this particular implementation thats more like trolling... We are talking about two different folks here (hopefully) AnonyMint: Asking good questions. Long time member. ILoveAnonCoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=276866 -> Check his posts. Pure Troll. No approach is correct against these types of cancer. Is most likely the hungsukmom character or someone similar. Anyways back to technical discussions Sorry for the short offtopic. I'm sorry but you've got it all wrong. Anonymint is an egotistical turd with an agenda. The last time he came here, he came in with bolded black letters claiming DARK COIN IS OBSOLETE. I dismissed him harshly and was asked to back down by others. I searched through his profile and saw that all he does is to go to competing coins and do the same thing... and then... subtly hint at some super secret project he is working on that has the solution to all our ails. When people asked him about what he was working on, he would now say "his coin is the best of X and Y", a claim he has been making here since early 2013 when BTC started rising. He also said Bitcoin would get destroyed by the NSA and has some sort of fascination with a machismo mindset and very sexist outlook on life. Anonymint might know his shit, but je is an absolute bastard in regards to dialogue and motivations. He predicted BTC would be destroyed by the NSA in early 2013 and yet here we are. He said he had fucked off previously and yet he couldn't help himself. The other retard, I love anon coin, is in league with Anonymint. Notice how they both showed up here at the exact same time? Anonymint brought a hype man this time to back up his superiority complex. He will soon ask for the closed source code, because he's good like that. So my stance hasn't changed. Anonymint, you can fuck off to wonderland for all I care. |
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March 31, 2014, 04:22:29 PM |
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I'm sorry but you've got it all wrong.
Anonyint is an egotistical turd with an agenda. The last time he came here, he came in with bolded black letters claiming DARK COIN IS OBSOLETE.
I dismissed him harshly and was asked to back down by others. I searched through his profile and saw that all he des is to go to competing coins and do the same thing... and then... subtly hint at some super secret project he is working on that has the solution to all our ails.
When people asked him about what he was working on, he would now say "his coin is the best of X and Y", a claim he has been making here since early 2013 when BTC started rising. He also said Bitcoin would get destroyed by the NSA and has some sort of fascination with a machismo mindset and very sexist outlook on life.
Anonymint might know his shit, but je is an absolute bastard in regards to dialogue and motivations. He predicted BTC would be destroyed by the NSA in early 2013 and yet here we are.
He said he had fucked off previously and yet he couldn't help himself.
The other retard, I love anon coin, is in league with Anonymint. Notice how they both showed up here at the exact same time? Anonymint brought a hype man this time to back u his superiority complex.
He will soon ask for the closed source code, because he's good like that. So my stance hasn't changed. Anonymint, you can fuck off to wonderland for all I care.
This is all ad hominem. Why not simply attack his argument if you believe it's unfounded? |
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March 31, 2014, 04:22:43 PM
Last edit: March 31, 2014, 04:53:03 PM by eduffield |
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Hey AnonyMint, welcome back. Your questions have been some of the best that we’ve gotten and really have helped the design of DarkSend, I really do appreciate your input. CoinJoin can't work. Period. I had another debate in the CoinJoin thread a few weeks ago with gmaxwell and I won. Go read it for yourself.
The problem is you can't prevent someone from denial-of-service attacking by refusing to sign the second stage of the operation. They can block all DarkSends this way.
There is not any anonymity offered by DarkSend, because the shorts will simply attack it once the coin becomes valuable and DarkSends won't get processed. The system will jam. And the price will plummet.
Earlier in the development someone attacked DarkSend this way and broke it for a day or so. I ended up coming up with what I call collateral transactions. A collateral transaction is a transaction that is only sent to the master node and if broadcast will transfer money from the node in question to the master node. The main problem is CoinJoin happens in 3 main stages: 1.) ACCEPTING INPUTS (inputs are the money I’m sending) 2.) ACCEPTING OUTPUTS (outputs are who I’m sending to) 3.) SIGN INPUTS (everyone signs their input separately then sends them) In stage 2, what if someone fails to send their output? In stage 3, what if someone fails to sign? So with blind signing (footnote 1) when a user adds an output, you know it’s one of your users but you don’t know which. So if a user fails to provide outputs, the whole session must restart and no one can be punished. I've thought about multiple designs for DarkSend, many of which do have the issue you’re talking about: Design A: Users provide inputs and collateral, then later will provide outputs. The master node must know which user didn’t provide the outputs to be able to charge him. If we use blind signing we can’t charge the bad actor fees. Design B: Users provide inputs, outputs and collateral at once. In this case the master node knows who is sending money to who, but later it can tell who didn’t sign. I’ve chosen to use design B (users will add inputs and outputs at the same time) because it’s the only design that can’t be attacked in the way you’re saying. //Accepting inputs 1. User A provides (Input, txCollateral, Output1, Output2) 2. User B provides (Input, txCollateral, Output1, Output2) 3. User C provides (Input, txCollateral, Output1, Output2) //Signing 1. User A provides (Input, txCollateral) 2. User B fails to provide to sign 3. User C provides (Input, txCollateral) //Fees 1. User B is charged So to be clear, the master must know who is sending money to who. But ONLY the master node will need to know this. Beyond that the blockchain is still anonymous, and master nodes can be decentralized among the users of the network. (1) More about blind signing:
http://ojs.academypublisher.com/index.php/jnw/article/viewFile/0508921928/2053
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March 31, 2014, 04:24:35 PM |
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Guys, I don't know the history with AnonyMint, but please don't be dismissive. We want guys like him asking the right questions, as well as other genuine 3rd parties engaged in technical discussions. IMO, those should be done far ahead in the implementation lifecycle of a critical coin, but we can't have everything I suppose.
On the other hand we have to unfortunately deal with pure trolls like IluvAnoncoin. Every single coin community has a cancer or a few cancers they have to deal with either by
1) Ignoring them completely.
2) Troll them back.
Either way you will not win. They are just going to be the cancer you will not like. Check his profile. He doesn't have a single anoncoin, he is most likely a pseudonym for someone who was already pissed off by this coin and the community. There is no rift between anonymous coin solutions.
the problem with anonycoin, he is dismissive even before he has really seen it, and even before knowing anything regarding the way it works, its always good to have 3rd party to look things trough, but being desmissive before even knowing anything about this particular implementation thats more like trolling... We are talking about two different folks here (hopefully) AnonyMint: Asking good questions. Long time member. ILoveAnonCoin: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=276866 -> Check his posts. Pure Troll. No approach is correct against these types of cancer. Is most likely the hungsukmom character or someone similar. Anyways back to technical discussions Sorry for the short offtopic. please read again what he has written on the last 2 pages, then read this again: the problem with anonycoin, he is dismissive even before he has really seen it, and even before knowing anything regarding the way it works,
its always good to have 3rd party to look things trough, but being desmissive before even knowing anything about this particular implementation thats more like trolling... |
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March 31, 2014, 04:26:00 PM |
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I'm sorry but you've got it all wrong.
Anonyint is an egotistical turd with an agenda. The last time he came here, he came in with bolded black letters claiming DARK COIN IS OBSOLETE.
I dismissed him harshly and was asked to back down by others. I searched through his profile and saw that all he des is to go to competing coins and do the same thing... and then... subtly hint at some super secret project he is working on that has the solution to all our ails.
When people asked him about what he was working on, he would now say "his coin is the best of X and Y", a claim he has been making here since early 2013 when BTC started rising. He also said Bitcoin would get destroyed by the NSA and has some sort of fascination with a machismo mindset and very sexist outlook on life.
Anonymint might know his shit, but je is an absolute bastard in regards to dialogue and motivations. He predicted BTC would be destroyed by the NSA in early 2013 and yet here we are.
He said he had fucked off previously and yet he couldn't help himself.
The other retard, I love anon coin, is in league with Anonymint. Notice how they both showed up here at the exact same time? Anonymint brought a hype man this time to back u his superiority complex.
He will soon ask for the closed source code, because he's good like that. So my stance hasn't changed. Anonymint, you can fuck off to wonderland for all I care.
This is all ad hominem. Why not simply attack his argument if you believe it's unfounded? I never said his arguments were not substantial. I said he does know his shit. But his methods are atrocious and dishonest. How do you expect to take someone seriously who all he ever does is try to plug in his product at the detriment of others? |
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March 31, 2014, 04:34:03 PM |
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Sorry, I did not know history behind AnonyMint. But now Evan has replied. Lets get back to topic please.
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March 31, 2014, 04:41:26 PM |
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I apologize if this has already been answered before, but I couldn't find it so I have to ask:
While I mine with my 7950 and sgminer, although my GPU runs very cool and with only 47W, sgminer is using up 26% of my CPU.
This does not allow the CPU to go to power saving mode. In the end, I end up spending a lot more power to mine darkcoin compared to every other coin in the market.
Is there a problem with my sgminer config or is it like this by design?
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March 31, 2014, 04:46:52 PM |
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Enjoy reading a thread that has some substance. Let's invite criticism. Eat the fruit and spit out the seeds.
Thanks Evan for staying on top of things.
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March 31, 2014, 04:48:16 PM |
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 Come and help mine darkcoin, and get a chance of winning the lottery pool. for the next week im going to do a lottery EVERY day, ill even trow in 200 DRK of my own. So each day 1 lucky winner will get 50% of fees, AND 28.57 DRK Pool Pays Witdrawal fee: 0.0 Dedicated pool, we only run Darkcoin mining DDOS Protected pool, resistant to: fake shares & scrypt ddos Stable Fast Server, but dont take my word for it, see what others have said in this thread ALSO |
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March 31, 2014, 04:59:03 PM |
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Here come those (newbies who don't know shit) who want to chase me away again (I was last here on pages 3xx). No problem. I can leave and come back silently to take your money instead.
Where is that foul mouth retard slyA?
Closed-source is already an indication of trouble. Also lack of detailed description of algorithms, at the level of detail necessary for a programmer like to analyze properly.
at least read it proberly, closed source until everything is up and running, and after we have gothen 3rd party to look it through it will be open sourced... which part of this do you indicate as "trouble" also, description of algorithms, well there is 1 programmer, let him finish it up to the point when he thinks its ready, then we can throw mud on each other with regards to description Closed-source makes it more difficult to get a correct result, because there's no peer review. Open-source later is better than nothing, but the sooner open-source, the sooner to verify and improve. |
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March 31, 2014, 05:05:03 PM |
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When people asked him about what he was working on, he would now say "his coin is the best of X and Y"
I was waiting for this foul mouth retard to arrive. Actually what I said is that I promised never to release nor endorse any altcoin. So slyA has proven he is a liar. Now you can trust him. |
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March 31, 2014, 05:10:42 PM |
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Design B: Users provide inputs, outputs and collateral at once. In this case the master node knows who is sending money to who, but later it can tell who didn’t sign.
I’ve chosen to use design B (users will add inputs and outputs at the same time) because it’s the only design that can’t be attacked in the way you’re saying.
Okay he has confirmed that you are not anonymous to the master node, as I wrote upthread would be the case if he associates the collateral transaction with both input and output stages of the CoinJoin. eduffield I would like to say that is not acceptable because for the same reason I don't want to use mixer or laundry website, I can't know if the master node is an NSA honeypot. I would like to suggest you think about my divide-and-conquer idea as another electable option for users. If there is failed stage, then divide the inputs into two groups. Then ask for outputs again. Divide and conquer as necessary, then the join will complete. Not ideal, but at least you don't break anonymity and require trust of the master node. Best of luck with it. |
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