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[roede94105]

coinz3 where is your 100btc order? just disappeared

[Artoodeetoo]

coinz3 where is your 100btc order? just disappeared

Probably gone over to XC... Rally starting there...

[toknormal]

545 DRK shot.

....munched.

[splawik21]

ALL TIME HIGH WOW!

[TanteStefana2]

It's about "purposely" hiding the transactions

Transactions are a private, not public, concept, by nature.

I'm hiding my dick right now by wearing pants. Does that make me a rapist or child molester??

Some things are inherently private. My money and what I do with it falls into that category.

I am not obligated to expose it, nor would I if compelled. Those attempting to compel me will wish they hadn't for a few seconds before being robbed of the ability to think about it anymore by BEING DEAD.

See how extreme that gets? I'd rather just keep it private so I don't have to kill people... Its too much paperwork...

You are obligated to expose it if your dick is worth $10,000.  That's the law.  If you structure your pants to hide your dick so it doesn't get reported, you go to jail for hiding your big dick.  Congratulations, enjoy the attention it gets you in prison.

Whether you agree with the laws or not, they are the laws we have to live with.  We don't live in some law free universe simply because we operate with unregulated currency. 

It is only worth $10,000 when it's sold for $10,000, and until then it's nothing.  That's the difference.  It's not something you can "transfer" on an airplane, it's everywhere at all times.

[slapper]

It just becomes a habit. I'm happy when seeing the trollers are back. That's a sign. Everytime when they go back, that means the price's rising. I don't even need to check mintpal anymore. 

Yes. Freckleg needs to add more categories to the standard trolling types and we can make a nice set of photoshops out of the categories as a standard answer to them. Don't try to reason back, you are wasting everyone's time.  

[roede94105]

coinz3 where is your 100btc order? just disappeared

Probably gone over to XC... Rally starting there...

lol ok bro.

[TanteStefana2]

What is the difference between exchanging darkcoin and exchanging cash, I just don't see it?  None of what you're saying makes sense to me?  I bet people buy used cars for $10,000 or more in cash all the time, do they report it?  Well, if they put it into the bank, the bank will do it for them, I'm sure, but still... the general public probably has no idea that they are supposed to report the transaction and if they were told, they'd have no idea how to do it!

[coinzcoinzcoinz]

coinz3 where is your 100btc order? just disappeared

Probably gone over to XC... Rally starting there...

lol ok bro.

Nobody wanted to fill it So I'm just eating all sell orders, one by one. I have little patience.

[TanteStefana2]

coinz3 where is your 100btc order? just disappeared

Probably gone over to XC... Rally starting there...

lol ok bro.

Nobody wanted to fill it So I'm just eating all sell orders, one by one. I have little patience.

I'll sit around and fill it for you, I've got nothing better to do, LOL.  It'd make me feel rich and powerful!  LOL

[pbleak]

coinz3 where is your 100btc order? just disappeared

Probably gone over to XC... Rally starting there...

lol ok bro.

Nobody wanted to fill it So I'm just eating all sell orders, one by one. I have little patience.

I could sell a little on Mintpal for a good rate

[toknormal]

It's not about banning cash or ecash.  It's about "purposely" hiding the transactions (Whether legal or illegal) which may run afoul of the money laundering laws.  That's why a lawyer and not some "idiot" like you should take a look at the design of DRK and where it is headed and make a determination on whether it does or not.  So investments like mine and ours are not screwed if there is a crackdown on something that somebody didn't think of.  I think it makes perfect sense to investigate this now before it all gets too far down the road to fix it if something isn't right.

Also, you might look at your own laws...  http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/MLR/   Which are just as wild.

I think the issue here is that people don't quite realise how far removed from today's legislative framework a crypto economy will be.

The fiat money system is *centralised*. It is that centralisation which lends itself to regulation.

On the other hand, crypto is *de-centralised*. You cannot legislate for such a decentralised financial activity. You can't ban it, tax it, regular it - nothing. All you can do is regulate the fiat gateways and then only from the perspective of *fiat* money.

I've said before, whether a particular blockchain is transparent or opaque is imaterial. The problem is that there is no regulatory framework in the world which can remotely hope to control cryptos except at the financial and commercial gateways (i.e. you could conceivably ban vendors from advertising their prices in Bitcoin).

I don't think many people quite get their heads round this fact. The anonymity aspect isn't the big deal - that's just providing regular privacy which most people expect from a financial transaction system. It's the economics and technology aspect in general that is revolutionary.

[rickraw]

Thats a lot of green on the Mintpal 15min charts.

[AlexGR]

Thats a lot of green on the Mintpal 15min charts.

Someone would explain it like this: "we are running dangerously low on DRKs from stupid people"

[rickraw]

Thats a lot of green on the Mintpal 15min charts.

Someone would explain it like this: "we are running dangerously low on DRKs from stupid people"

I like that

[g0re79]

It's about "purposely" hiding the transactions

Transactions are a private, not public, concept, by nature.

I'm hiding my dick right now by wearing pants. Does that make me a rapist or child molester??

Some things are inherently private. My money and what I do with it falls into that category.

I am not obligated to expose it, nor would I if compelled. Those attempting to compel me will wish they hadn't for a few seconds before being robbed of the ability to think about it anymore by BEING DEAD.

See how extreme that gets? I'd rather just keep it private so I don't have to kill people... Its too much paperwork...

You are obligated to expose it if your dick is worth $10,000.  That's the law.  If you structure your pants to hide your dick so it doesn't get reported, you go to jail for hiding your big dick.  Congratulations, enjoy the attention it gets you in prison.

Whether you agree with the laws or not, they are the laws we have to live with.  We don't live in some law free universe simply because we operate with unregulated currency. 

You obviously missed what cryptoscene is all about, if You agree with "laws are here to live with"

[coins101]

It's about "purposely" hiding the transactions

Transactions are a private, not public, concept, by nature.

I'm hiding my dick right now by wearing pants. Does that make me a rapist or child molester??

Some things are inherently private. My money and what I do with it falls into that category.

I am not obligated to expose it, nor would I if compelled. Those attempting to compel me will wish they hadn't for a few seconds before being robbed of the ability to think about it anymore by BEING DEAD.

See how extreme that gets? I'd rather just keep it private so I don't have to kill people... Its too much paperwork...

You are obligated to expose it if your dick is worth $10,000.  That's the law.  If you structure your pants to hide your dick so it doesn't get reported, you go to jail for hiding your big dick.  Congratulations, enjoy the attention it gets you in prison.

Whether you agree with the laws or not, they are the laws we have to live with.  We don't live in some law free universe simply because we operate with unregulated currency. 

If this were true, every crypto exchange in the USA would be shut down by now. Instead, all you need to trade is an email address. So I guess that is currently the law.

#F

[g0re79]

It's not about banning cash or ecash.  It's about "purposely" hiding the transactions (Whether legal or illegal) which may run afoul of the money laundering laws.  That's why a lawyer and not some "idiot" like you should take a look at the design of DRK and where it is headed and make a determination on whether it does or not.  So investments like mine and ours are not screwed if there is a crackdown on something that somebody didn't think of.  I think it makes perfect sense to investigate this now before it all gets too far down the road to fix it if something isn't right.

Also, you might look at your own laws...  http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/MLR/   Which are just as wild.

I think the issue here is that people don't quite realise how far removed from today's legislative framework a crypto economy will be.

The fiat money system is *centralised*. It is that centralisation which lends itself to regulation.

On the other hand, crypto is *de-centralised*. You cannot legislate for such a decentralised financial activity. You can't ban it, tax it, regular it - nothing. All you can do is regulate the fiat gateways and then only from the perspective of *fiat* money.

I've said before, whether a particular blockchain is transparent or opaque is imaterial. The problem is that there is no regulatory framework in the world which can remotely hope to control cryptos except at the financial and commercial gateways (i.e. you could conceivably ban vendors from advertising their prices in Bitcoin).

I don't think many people quite get their heads round this fact. The anonymity aspect isn't the big deal - that's just providing regular privacy which most people expect from a financial transaction system. It's the economics and technology aspect in general that is revolutionary.

You are right, no one can regulate it in any way, but there is also another aspect of whole thing - if government has the ability to check Your wealth by checking Your "putyourfavoritecryptohere" balance, they can do any of their dirty business, eg. forge law to tax You (as in the best option)..

[coins101]

http://www.coindesk.com/blockchains-sharedcoin-users-can-identified-says-security-expert/

Good for Darkcoin?

Yep - Its starting to catch on that bitcoin isnt private at all - and even the bolt on solutions that were created are not secure either.

More and more people are realising that an independent solution is what's required (Darkcoin). bitcoin will never fork to introduce privacy, the risk is too high. Bitcoin for public ledger transactions, Darkcoin for all other!

All it will take is a website to start capturing business addresses where you can enter someone's bitcoin address and uncover their entire history of spending.

Just read the article and I really like Kristov Atlas, he seams to know his stuff. I nominate him to be the third code reviewer

So the dream team I would like to see
If they would review the code would be:

Greg Maxwell
Andreas Antonopoulos
Kristov Atlas

What do you all think ?

I don't know if Andreas and Kristov are actual programmers?  But I certainly respect both of them

Yeah that was what I was thinking they are both well know and respected in this space.
Kristov has a B.S. and M.S. degrees in Computer Science, independent security researcher and security consultant
and Andreas well there is a whole site about his awesomeness here http://antonopoulos.com/

Greg Maxwell
Andreas Antonopoulos
Kristov Atlas Maybe

Gavin (Mr) Andersen (The One)
Satoshi Nakamoto

edit & Amir Taaki

Kristov Atlas. He is back on the list

http://www.coinjoinsudoku.com/advisory/

[thelonecrouton]

It's not about banning cash or ecash.  It's about "purposely" hiding the transactions (Whether legal or illegal) which may run afoul of the money laundering laws.  That's why a lawyer and not some "idiot" like you should take a look at the design of DRK and where it is headed and make a determination on whether it does or not.  So investments like mine and ours are not screwed if there is a crackdown on something that somebody didn't think of.  I think it makes perfect sense to investigate this now before it all gets too far down the road to fix it if something isn't right.

Also, you might look at your own laws...  http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/MLR/   Which are just as wild.

I think the issue here is that people don't quite realise how far removed from today's legislative framework a crypto economy will be.

The fiat money system is *centralised*. It is that centralisation which lends itself to regulation.

On the other hand, crypto is *de-centralised*. You cannot legislate for such a decentralised financial activity. You can't ban it, tax it, regular it - nothing. All you can do is regulate the fiat gateways and then only from the perspective of *fiat* money.

I've said before, whether a particular blockchain is transparent or opaque is imaterial. The problem is that there is no regulatory framework in the world which can remotely hope to control cryptos except at the financial and commercial gateways (i.e. you could conceivably ban vendors from advertising their prices in Bitcoin).

I don't think many people quite get their heads round this fact. The anonymity aspect isn't the big deal - that's just providing regular privacy which most people expect from a financial transaction system. It's the economics and technology aspect in general that is revolutionary.

You are right, no one can regulate it in any way, but there is also another aspect of whole thing - if government has the ability to check Your wealth by checking Your "putyourfavoritecryptohere" balance, they can do any of their dirty business, eg. forge law to tax You (as in the best option)..

I can move my DRK opaquely in a practically limitless address space.

Good luck figuring out where my DRK is without putting a gun to my face. (And good luck getting past the assault crocodiles to do that. )