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[shojayxt]

Scary thing. Woke up and checked Mintpal and XMR was worth more than DRK! 
We need RC5 and open sourcing sometime soon!

Tao

DRK market cap is still 50% higher than XMR. The fact that XMR has been on a bit of a tear of late is a good thing for DRK - shows there is still interest in anonymous altcoins. Some positive news on darkcoin and folks will be buying it up fast.

Ya, it takes more than that to faze me anyway! The current price is meaningless. The future is brightly dark!

Tao

Monero is not a competition for DRK anyway. The word is out that their network is infested with botnets and that's where the hashing power comes from. 

You cant mine complex algorithms with botnets ...

CPU based coins are mostly mined by botnets. What does it have to do with alghorithm compexity? I don't get your point.

DRK was a CPU coin when it was first launched now there are GPU miners and likely FPGA's .

Monero was a CPU coin when it was first launched now there are GPU miners.

Both DRK and Monero likely have had a portion of the coins mined by botnets at some time.  Both coins now have a majority of mining being done by GPU's.

  

[r-ando]

After finishing off my summary on gaming and starting to contact gaming operators, I'm going to be updating my little review of DRK.

To that end, I would like to update it with something around Master Nodes and their revenue earning possibilities.

Survey and views on what to add will be welcomed.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579976.0

I think Mrs. Robinson has a summary somewhere, I will track it down and possibly update the survey.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/list-of-future-development-ideas.89/

I usually agree that effective marketing should focus on a target audience, but in my opinion if you try to limit Darkcoin or ''Darktor'' use to a specific target market this is a mistake. The target here is without limit, so market it using the things that all people have in common. Maybe think the basic marketing ideas: humour, sentimentality or sexuality... and then think about what it solves for everyone without limiting the product itself to the marketing technique used to sell it.

 Humour can be used to sell Darkcoin...but its not a joke.   Sentimentality can be used to sell Darkcoin, fear of getting tracked- eliminate that fear, freedom and all those that have died for it in the past (you understand, sentimentality...) keep fighting for that freedom, for your brothers and sisters.
 Sexuality can be used to sell Darkcoin, but lets not limit it to sex stuff please, why not create a platform that benefits society as a whole and every level of society, and instead of telling people what the Darktor network should be used for, do like the internet today but better and see where it goes....

 Just thinking here, but instead of limiting the marketing of Darktor to specific uses, define and tune the different marketing techniques used to sell it to the audiences they seek to convince. I also suggest maintaining a synergy between the coin and the node services, if you try to limit the services it might predictably limit the uses of the coin itself to industries related to the services (thinking about the pornography orientation idea that was suggested which seems a little short sighted if a valid idea) I could also be wrong about this... Thanks and have a great day!

[jjiimm_64]

Since masternodes are unique to drk, i was thinking, is yhere a way to make masternodes help decrease transaction time from 2.5 minutes to instant? Im not technically capable of determining if this is possible myself. Is there a way, some kind of genius thing that hasnt been thought of before? If drk has instant transactions it will be bigger than bitcoin.

Meaby instant tx BUT the coins can be used only after 6 confirmations anyway?

LOL - I don't think they really thought that thru :-P
The light bulb should come on in a moment - lol

The issue has cropped up with Bitcoin merchants. They don't like the idea of taking payment and waiting for xyz minutes before they know they actually have the funds to hand over goods.

transactions on the bitcoin network are near instant....  only the confirmations take time...  for small goods you do not have to wait for a confirmation..  is anyone seriously going to try and double spend for a couple of packs of smokes at 7-eleven?

[luigi1111]

Assume the same address could initiate a stop command in a future block to not have his old MN clutter up the payments by never responding. However, I don't see any incentive for people to do this, so there needs to be some mechanism where the block finder can insert the stop message on behalf of the masternode. You might think the lingering nodes wouldn't be an issue, but something absolutely has to be able to issue a "stop" command in case the 1,000 DRK move. Unless you could possibly modify the protocol to have nodes reject any tx formed out of the 1,000 DRK input without a "masternode stop" command included in a prior block? If you allow for removal after X number of missed pings, you have the (tiny) vector of the block finder being able to remove a masternode if he found the right blocks, but I don't know of any incentive to do this.

Well, no, I think you're over-complicating things here.  There are really kind of 2 lists: one for "valid" MNs and the other for "active" MNs.  By creating an initialization transaction and putting it into the blockchain, a MN declares itself as "valid".  It remains "valid" for as long as the 1000 DRK does not move.  This means that it is *capable* of being nominated and receiving payment, *if* it proves itself to be "active".  Upon nomination by block n, it has to ping back in or before block n+2.  This proves it as being "active" and eligible for receiving payment in block n+3.

A MN maintains its "active" status as long as it keeps responding to all nominations with pings in a timely manner.  If a MN does not respond in time to a nomination, it will be marked un-"active" until the next time that it responds to a nomination.  That "activating" ping will bring it back to the "active" list, but it will not be eligible for payment in that block because it was non-"active" for the previous nomination. And again, all of this information will be 100% determinable in the blockchain.

Yes, I believe you are correct. It just wasn't appealing to my OCD I guess (that it appears the initialization commands could be left "hanging" with no closure as it were; the closure would just be nodes not seeing it as valid anymore, which should be fine).

Elegant and simple. Good talk.

[r-ando]

After finishing off my summary on gaming and starting to contact gaming operators, I'm going to be updating my little review of DRK.

To that end, I would like to update it with something around Master Nodes and their revenue earning possibilities.

Survey and views on what to add will be welcomed.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=579976.0

I think Mrs. Robinson has a summary somewhere, I will track it down and possibly update the survey.

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/list-of-future-development-ideas.89/

I usually agree that effective marketing should focus on a target audience, but in my opinion if you try to limit Darkcoin or ''Darktor'' use to a specific target market this is a mistake. The target here is without limit, so market it using the things that all people have in common. Maybe think the basic marketing ideas: humour, sentimentality or sexuality... and then think about what it solves for everyone without limiting the product itself to the marketing technique used to sell it.

 Humour can be used to sell Darkcoin...but its not a joke.   Sentimentality can be used to sell Darkcoin, fear of getting tracked- eliminate that fear, freedom and all those that have died for it in the past (you understand, sentimentality...) keep fighting for that freedom, for your brothers and sisters.
 Sexuality can be used to sell Darkcoin, but lets not limit it to sex stuff please, why not create a platform that benefits society as a whole and every level of society, and instead of telling people what the Darktor network should be used for, do like the internet today but better and see where it goes....

 Just thinking here, but instead of limiting the marketing of Darktor to specific uses, define and tune the different marketing techniques used to sell it to the audiences they seek to convince. I also suggest maintaining a synergy between the coin and the node services, if you try to limit the services it might predictably limit the uses of the coin itself to industries related to the services (thinking about the pornography orientation idea that was suggested which seems a little short sighted if a valid idea) I could also be wrong about this... Thanks and have a great day!

I just thought about one of those fears for sentimentality... fear of inflation, now why didn't I think about that before 

[luigi1111]

A friend just sent me this about XMR:

http://da-data.blogspot.de/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

I don`t quite get it, but is this positive or negative for XMR? I`d guess negative (I`d be pissed as a regular Miner), but maybe I don`t get it.
I hope stuff like that is not possible with DRK.

What happened is:

Bytecoin (BCN) took a launched a new currency and completely butchered it. They made it into a premine scam to make it easy money. True
Funny thing is: It's actually good tech, and they could have made a killing in scene, but instead they went for the easy buck. True
The Monero (no affiliation with the BCN team) team forked this scam. Cleaned up the code and relaunched in fair way. What?

The blog writer (who writes here under the name 'dga') is quite pro-Monero. You can read his post history yourselves. All the negatives was related to BCN. This is a bit of a stretch, but you can have it.

Sorry to bring this back up here, but you should really get your facts straight. The XMR team did NOT launch XMR (Bitmonero at the time), thankful_for_today did. And he was absolutely a member of the BCN team. The project was taken over by the community (the "team", if you will), but they absolutely did not "clean up the code and relaunch", they went with what they had (dropped the BMR name and went with MRO, then XMR, but it's all the same coin).

To Macno, I'd argue this is neither positive nor negative. It's just Dave blogging about history.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Re: Branding of DarkTor and usage of Darkcoin (bumped)


****************OPEN LETTER TO DARKCOIN COMMUNITY: PLEASE READ***********************

Intro:

Picture USDLand. How about EURMart. Oh, maybe JPY Motors?

If these company names seem silly to you, it's because they should.



I've been thinking long and hard about this issue, and agree with the posters who have a problem with Darkcoin (DRK) being lumped in
with a business venture, albeit one with massive potential such as the Masternode Network (MasterNet).

Before we proceed with development, it is imperative that we agree to seperate the two permanently.

DARKCOIN - (DRK, .DRK)

I have seen some posters refer to .DRK for some uses such as e-mail, poker sites, or de-centralized exchanges. In my view, this
is a mistake. We do not want new customers (if TOR is any indication, they could number in the millions) to have the first thing they
see for these services to be Darkcoin.

New Custome (NC)r: Hey, I heard that there is a new network that is better than TOR in every way, it's called DRKNET.
Dark Community Member (DCM): Ya, it's great, and it's powered by a fully anonymous digital currency called Darkcoin!
NC: So I need to get Darkcoins, to use this service?
DCM: Ya, it doesn't accept anything else.

The new customer gets the impression that this is the only use for these coins, which may not be true, and he will learn later that
he can use them in other places, but first impressions are strong, and he may use Bitcoin for other transactions.

Conclusion: We MUST not use .DRK (Darkcoin) or anything related to Darkcoin in promoting the Masternode Network (MasterNet, Web 3.0)

THE MASTERNODE NETWORK (MasterNet, Web 3.0)

This is where we need to concentrate our efforts to separate Darkcoin the currency from the Masternode Network.

PokerStars.MN, Webmail.MN, DRKBTC.MN, etc....

Make no mention of Darkcoin at all until the customer decides to try the product.

NC: Hey, I just heard of this great network that is better than TOR in everyway, it's called MasterNet.
DCM: Yeah, buddy, they are offering a free trial to get you started, but after that, you better stock up on Darkcoins, because that is
the only currency they accept!
NC: Really? What are Darkcoins?
DCM: I'm glad you asked! Darkcoins are a fully anonymous digital currency which are accepted worldwide at many locations online and in person,
and are the currency of choice for MasterNet. If you want to use MasterNet, you better create a Darkcoin wallet!
NC: Thanks! *Downloads wallet, thinks of all the places he will spend his coins*

Option 2 is clearly better than Option 1. Eliminate DRK completely from the business aspect of the project.

.DRK (No thanks)
.MN (Now you are talking)

Thank you for taking the time to read this, a lot of thought went into it, and please bump if you like it.

Tao

    

[coins101]

Re: Branding of DarkTor and usage of Darkcoin (bumped)

+101

Thanks.

I do like this approach. At some point the cat will be out of the bag, so the starting point frames the conversation around the service, not the currency - not an issue, IMO

[r-ando]

Darkcoin: Be safe, why risk a bank run?

Darkcoin: Be private, why compromise personal information for potential hackers?

Darkcoin: Be secure, why risk carrying cash around?

Darkcoin: Shop online. Be protected. Be free.

Darkcoin: Just be free.


Could be cool to eventually have these kinds of affirmations on posters with some awesome graphic designs like these ones by Enzwell, his work is awesome and I really think posters with this kind of design should be everywhere in malls and subways and bus stations, magazines like the economist, business week, macleans, etc. :

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/branding-discussion.616/page-11#post-11593

Great work Enzwell thank you!

[r-ando]

How about this one: (not a researched statistic by the way...   )

3429 credit cards get defrauded every minute. For the rest of us, there is DARKCOIN.

[coins101]

cash over the internet

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Darkcoin: Be safe, why risk a bank run?

Darkcoin: Be private, why compromise personal information for potential hackers?

Darkcoin: Be secure, why risk carrying cash around?

Darkcoin: Shop online. Be protected. Be free.

Darkcoin: Just be free.


Could be cool to eventually have these kinds of affirmations on posters with some awesome graphic designs like these ones by Enzwell, his work is awesome and I really think posters with this kind of design should be everywhere in malls and subways and bus stations, magazines like the economist, business week, macleans, etc. :

https://darkcointalk.org/threads/branding-discussion.616/page-11#post-11593

Great work Enzwell thank you!

I read this thread, and liked the idea of the poster who suggested we move away from the "anonymous" aspect and promote DRK as the "privacy" coin.

The logo with the slogan "DARKCOIN: Privately Accepted Here" was excellent.

Eltito said this is the way that the language will be heading and I support that 100%.

Tao

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

cash over the internet

DARKCOIN: E-cash at your discretion

[toknormal]

How's everybody's Ducknote hedge doing ?

[coins101]

I'm hoping we can upstage Apple



RC5, same day? 

[thelonecrouton]

How's everybody's Ducknote hedge doing ?

Crikey, I bought a few gazillion at 0.00000000000000000000000000005 or something, if I sold now I'd be nearly £50 up! 

[dewdeded]

Monero has today passed DarkCoin in Price/Coin for the first time.

[RenegadeMan]

Can anyone explain to me what has happened to about 10 pages of this thread? I went to bed last night with this post #59600 from MangledBlue on page 2980 (in response to masternode's overview of his background and crypto involvement):

It's a pleasure to meet you. If I can help in any way, big or small, I surely will :-)

...and this morning I've hit refresh on that page only to have it go back to page 2970 and #59381 and I can't find that previous post of Mangled. What's appearing on this page is all new (i.e. I'm not reading the previous posts I've already read) but what happened to the numbering?

confused!

[thelonecrouton]

I realize that the system has similarities.  What I believe is novel is the (snipped) "nomination" system based on the hash of the block, the need for the nominated MNs to respond with blockchain-writable transactions within 2 blocks of being nominated, and the deterministic picking of a "winner" based on the responding MNs.  This negates the need to maintain an off-blockchain "list" of active MNs, which I believe is what caused the forking problems in previous releases, where some nodes were rejecting blocks off of a belief that the MN receiving payment was not a valid MN, for whatever reason.  You can see this in all the questions about "is my MN appearing ok?"  It should not be possible for one person's list of active MNs to be different than another person's, yet I believe that this is what we still have today.  "I'm seeing 850 active MNs but Joe sees 842" is a very difficult problem to solve, so my proposal moves all MN "activeness" into the blockchain where it becomes indisputable.

When MN payments were first introduced, forking occurred as the network propagation process could take longer than the blocktime. Since then the inter-MN comms are *much* faster.

If I see 850 active MNs, you and Joe also see 850, any change is propagated within seconds at most. There will always be fringe cases, but that's what the voting system across multiple blocks is is for.

It's critical for future services that MN's maintain comms discrete from the slow blocktime.

[r-ando]

cash over the internet

And its even better than cash because its fully anonymous unlike cash and more safe. Why is cash not anonymous? Because you have to give it to the seller. Because with cash you actually have to physically go somewhere to buy something from somebody. A lot of things can happen on the way there or once there.... With Darkcoin, the buyer doesn't even need to move anymore to buy things anonymously and the seller doesn't have to move anywhere except to the phone to call fed-ex. (its going to get even better if they ever mainstream delivery drones, it makes sense delivery drones are just robots for deliveries and robots are already popping up everywhere because they save on labour costs)

Darkcoin: More private than cash.

Darkcoin: Safer than cash.