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[thefrog]

As far as darktor goes, I think it is perfectly reasonable to eliminate child pornography. If anyone has a host on darktor that has cp, I hope it will not be allowed. I believe it is ok to take a moral stand on issues and not hide from them under the freedom of speech/ well if we ban x then y,z, and all of alpha and half of that is up for discussion. No. Take a fucking stand. Child pornography hurts innocent people. Scars them. FOR LIFE. Don't equate the freedom one chooses to purchase drugs, sell images of their own bodies, etc., to the forceful filming of 4-8 yearolds, or 15 month olds, in sexual situations.

Whether it is reasonable or not isn't the problem. The problem is how do you do this in a decentralized fashion. Also child porn is easy, but there are many many things that people will disagree on whether it should be made available.

I am sorry but slippery slopes do exist. The best thing is for someone to come up with a way to prevent certain content from being accessed when using their masternode.

Hm, so every master node operator will decide what content he / she allows to get access to ?
So like, in countries where cannabis is illegal, the master node does not allow access to cannabis related sites, in countries where age of consent is 21, you will ban any content to sexual content where the involved ones are below 21, and in states where drinking is prohibited, you will ban any alcohol related content ? Ah, and in other countries, where it's forbidden to eat beef, we ban access to 'how to make a perfect steak' content.
Right.
Where does it end once you start censorship ?

[RenegadeMan]

As far as darktor goes, I think it is perfectly reasonable to eliminate child pornography. If anyone has a host on darktor that has cp, I hope it will not be allowed. I believe it is ok to take a moral stand on issues and not hide from them under the freedom of speech/ well if we ban x then y,z, and all of alpha and half of that is up for discussion. No. Take a fucking stand. Child pornography hurts innocent people. Scars them. FOR LIFE. Don't equate the freedom one chooses to purchase drugs, sell images of their own bodies, etc., to the forceful filming of 4-8 yearolds, or 15 month olds, in sexual situations.

Whether it is reasonable or not isn't the problem. The problem is how do you do this in a decentralized fashion. Also child porn is easy, but there are many many things that people will disagree on whether it should be made available.

I am sorry but slippery slopes do exist. The best thing is for someone to come up with a way to prevent certain content from being accessed when using their masternode.

Hm, so every master node operator will decide what content he / she allows to get access to ?
So like, in countries where cannabis is illegal, the master node does not allow access to cannabis related sites, in countries where age of consent is 21, you will ban any content to sexual content where the involved ones are below 21, and in states where drinking is prohibited, you will ban any alcohol related content ? Ah, and in other countries, where it's forbidden to eat beef, we ban access to 'how to make a perfect steak' content.
Right.
Where does it end once you start censorship ?

+1

Like I said in my comments to r-ando above,

" That means it needs to carry everything and anything without any form of censorship or collective voting. It needs to be "free speech" at its ultimate and enable humans to freely publish, view and have access to anything and everything."

The minute you even take the first step into the "well we're not going to allow this..." you are opening a door to all the complexities of centralisation and control; the very essence of what this is supposed to be avoiding. The issues of what's illegal in one jurisdiction versus another will open a pandora's box of complexity. Furthermore, I wouldn't think an MN is going to "see" content travelling through as the whole notion of the anonymity means traffic will be moving around different MNs constantly. (Is it just me or are people just not thinking through what this whole DarkTor thing is before putting forward notions or ideas.....it's anonymous privacy, "filtering" and "content voting" are concepts absolutely disconnected from what the core of this is about?)

Few people want to see DarkTor used for illegal purposes but the very moment we attempt to limit what can be on there, we've just taken on the big brother role. It needs to be completely raw, open and unfettered. If people use it for illegal purposes then so be it; they're breaking the law and law enforcement will need to use their sophisticated entrapment techniques, not rely on an IP address. People use roads everyday to travel to locations to commit crimes; should we close the roads?

This needs to be very clear with everyone as it goes to the heart of free speech and being able to avoid constant guv monitoring.

[Kai Proctor]

As far as darktor goes, I think it is perfectly reasonable to eliminate child pornography. If anyone has a host on darktor that has cp, I hope it will not be allowed. I believe it is ok to take a moral stand on issues and not hide from them under the freedom of speech/ well if we ban x then y,z, and all of alpha and half of that is up for discussion. No. Take a fucking stand. Child pornography hurts innocent people. Scars them. FOR LIFE. Don't equate the freedom one chooses to purchase drugs, sell images of their own bodies, etc., to the forceful filming of 4-8 yearolds, or 15 month olds, in sexual situations.

Whether it is reasonable or not isn't the problem. The problem is how do you do this in a decentralized fashion. Also child porn is easy, but there are many many things that people will disagree on whether it should be made available.

I am sorry but slippery slopes do exist. The best thing is for someone to come up with a way to prevent certain content from being accessed when using their masternode.

Hm, so every master node operator will decide what content he / she allows to get access to ?
So like, in countries where cannabis is illegal, the master node does not allow access to cannabis related sites, in countries where age of consent is 21, you will ban any content to sexual content where the involved ones are below 21, and in states where drinking is prohibited, you will ban any alcohol related content ? Ah, and in other countries, where it's forbidden to eat beef, we ban access to 'how to make a perfect steak' content.
Right.
Where does it end once you start censorship ?

I agree that it beats the purpose of DarkTor to have any say about what the user can access or not. It would be good if the content was encrypted even from the MN operator.

[coins101]

This all sound very interesting, and all that.

But, as long as people are paying their bills I couldn't care much what content goes up - for the simple rationalisation that it can be taken down off the main internet.

ISPs are currently being bombarded with letters from lawyers and courts asking them to take down content. That is the slipper slope, the thin end of the wedge.

Finding a way to remove this pressure on ISPs and pushing it onto a new platform will slow down the pressure on censorship.

It also means that while parents can, to some degree, control access within their own homes, the moment their kids leave their home and take their iPads with them, they are no longer protected.

So,

* take shit off the main internet, put it on an alternative platform for adults;
 
* charge the fuckers to put their crap on the master node network;

* give switches to MN operators to let them have some control on what they allow through their network;

* keep the network anonymous and decentralised to protect users and MN operators

* add some flexibility to make the 1000DRK limit reflect some sort of $ value so someone with 1 MN could create 10 MNs if the price goes to $1,000 / DRK ()

[JGCMiner]

As far as darktor goes, I think it is perfectly reasonable to eliminate child pornography. If anyone has a host on darktor that has cp, I hope it will not be allowed. I believe it is ok to take a moral stand on issues and not hide from them under the freedom of speech/ well if we ban x then y,z, and all of alpha and half of that is up for discussion. No. Take a fucking stand. Child pornography hurts innocent people. Scars them. FOR LIFE. Don't equate the freedom one chooses to purchase drugs, sell images of their own bodies, etc., to the forceful filming of 4-8 yearolds, or 15 month olds, in sexual situations.

Whether it is reasonable or not isn't the problem. The problem is how do you do this in a decentralized fashion. Also child porn is easy, but there are many many things that people will disagree on whether it should be made available.

I am sorry but slippery slopes do exist. The best thing is for someone to come up with a way to prevent certain content from being accessed when using their masternode.

Hm, so every master node operator will decide what content he / she allows to get access to ?
So like, in countries where cannabis is illegal, the master node does not allow access to cannabis related sites, in countries where age of consent is 21, you will ban any content to sexual content where the involved ones are below 21, and in states where drinking is prohibited, you will ban any alcohol related content ? Ah, and in other countries, where it's forbidden to eat beef, we ban access to 'how to make a perfect steak' content.
Right.
Where does it end once you start censorship ?

Thing is, if operators are paid based on how much their node is used(i.e. by bandwidth) then the more they censor the less they make. I agree no central authority should decide what is allowed or not (hence the slippery slope comment) but I have no problem if individuals make moral decisions for themselves.  

Plus, the network as a whole wouldn't be censored because they will always be somebody willing to accept more money for have a uncensored node. Everything would just naturally balance out.

[coins101]

Sorry, brain dump.

Could you create a MN network that requires a credit card to access it, but once you gained access, you were anonymous and not tracked back through your credit card?

Something like a one-time pin session that is destroyed on entry.

That's probably difficult, if not impossible to do, and it also creates a seed of doubt in the users mind, but that could be a way to make sure adult content is accessed by adults.

edit

one-time PGP session giving a unique code, generated on the fly? That would be cool

[annoyingorange]

Good progress guys. Keep up the great work. Price keeps rising and rising because drk is defiantly  the best annon coin ever made.

An attempt at humor, I suppose. Where do you see price rising?

[Kai Proctor]

-1
It's a tool to access internet anonymously, all of it. Not a decentralized host specialized in seedy sites (no more deniability).

[coins101]

-1
It's a tool to access internet anonymously, all of it. Not a decentralized host specialized in seedy sites (no more deniability).

Provided people are paying MN, I couldn't care less.

The platform concept is nothing more than a conduit idea to get people to pay up; to grow the MN network to secure it for mixing; to give investment grade value to MNs.

Ideology went out the window years ago when I had a private dinner on one of the rooftop terraces of the Dorchester Hotel and was drinking £500 / shot brandy and smoking £500 cigars, listening to filthy rich fuckers talking about going fishing using private jets and army helicopters to access Salmon off the Northern Russian coast.

[Kai Proctor]

-1
It's a tool to access internet anonymously, all of it. Not a decentralized host specialized in seedy sites (no more deniability).

Provided people are paying MN, I couldn't care less.

The platform concept is nothing more than a conduit idea to get people to pay up; to grow the MN network to secure it for mixing; to give investment grade value to MNs.

Ideology went out the window years ago when I had a private dinner on one of the rooftop terraces of the Dorchester Hotel and was drinking £500 / shot brandy and smoking £500 cigars, listening to filthy rich fuckers talking about going fishing using private jets and army helicopters to access Salmon off the Northern Russian coast.

What you don't understand is by doing that, you give some entities more pretenses to critic and try to take down the network. Therefore  you are limiting the potential demand and you won't make money long.

[salmion]

As a platform coins101 could release his SafetyNet on Iris - effectively a "safe" browser how he'd do it I can't conceive.

And Iris/darktor remains neutral.

It's the power of the platform concept 3rd parties can come up with their own angles, use the same infrastructure, the currency and infrastructure remain neutral (as they should do), and MN owners get paid regardless.

[patrolman]

Sorry, brain dump.

Could you create a MN network that requires a credit card to access it, but once you gained access, you were anonymous and not tracked back through your credit card?

Something like a one-time pin session that is destroyed on entry.

That's probably difficult, if not impossible to do, and it also creates a seed of doubt in the users mind, but that could be a way to make sure adult content is accessed by adults.

edit

one-time PGP session giving a unique code, generated on the fly? That would be cool

What is an adult? 18? 21? Why should these abitrary ages be used to define what users can or can't see? Are all people under 18 incapable of viewing adult content "responsibly"? Surely there must be some who are even more mature than others who have reached the magic number 18.

I'm not suggesting at all that young kids should be encouraged to search for as much porn as they can, most would have absolutely no interest in doing so.

[coins101]

-1
It's a tool to access internet anonymously, all of it. Not a decentralized host specialized in seedy sites (no more deniability).

Provided people are paying MN, I couldn't care less.

The platform concept is nothing more than a conduit idea to get people to pay up; to grow the MN network to secure it for mixing; to give investment grade value to MNs.

Ideology went out the window years ago when I had a private dinner on one of the rooftop terraces of the Dorchester Hotel and was drinking £500 / shot brandy and smoking £500 cigars, listening to filthy rich fuckers talking about going fishing using private jets and army helicopters to access Salmon off the Northern Russian coast.

What you don't understand is by doing that, you give some entities more pretenses to critic and try to take down the network. Therefore  you are limiting the potential demand and you won't make money long.

Clearly.

But what I am looking at is:

* GoDaddy, a platform, and one of the more successful of thousands, has annual revenues of over $1bn

*Tor, a router, and the only one, that requires charity

The survey on what people were prepared to pay to use DarkTor highlighted that most people wanted to access it free or pay next to nothing.

An anonymous DRK router and a DRK platform are not mutually exclusive options.

What Tor does is create a spotlight on bad actors. Its then an arms race for the law to try and catch a focused number of people and Tor trying to stay ahead.

Create a platform and people can use the MN anonymous router to hide out in the open with millions of other users accessing the adult content (not just porn) platform - this is CoinJoin - the essence of Darkcoin.

Putting adult content out of the reach of as many kids as possible is a real world problem that impacts the majority of internet users on a global scale.

Buying drugs and guns on the internet is a niche market that attracts DDoS from the authorities.

Adding the two together gets a router for those that want it and income for MNs from those that want to reward the solution to a $100bn - $200bn adult content industry.

But if its just a router that people prefer, then lets get duck duck go or Yahoo! to pay $10 to MNs for everyone who serves up its search engine and makes it their default.

I've taken over the conversation on this issue. That's it from me.

[RenegadeMan]

-1
It's a tool to access internet anonymously, all of it. Not a decentralized host specialized in seedy sites (no more deniability).

Provided people are paying MN, I couldn't care less.

The platform concept is nothing more than a conduit idea to get people to pay up; to grow the MN network to secure it for mixing; to give investment grade value to MNs.

Ideology went out the window years ago when I had a private dinner on one of the rooftop terraces of the Dorchester Hotel and was drinking £500 / shot brandy and smoking £500 cigars, listening to filthy rich fuckers talking about going fishing using private jets and army helicopters to access Salmon off the Northern Russian coast.

What you don't understand is by doing that, you give some entities more pretenses to critic and try to take down the network. Therefore  you are limiting the potential demand and you won't make money long.

Clearly.

But what I am looking at is:

* GoDaddy, a platform, and one of the more successful of thousands, has annual revenues of over $1bn

*Tor, a router, and the only one, that requires charity

The survey on what people were prepared to pay to use DarkTor highlighted that most people wanted to access it free or pay next to nothing.

An anonymous DRK router and a DRK platform are not mutually exclusive options.

What Tor does is create a spotlight on bad actors. Its then an arms race to for the law to try and catch a focused number of people and Tor trying to stay ahead.

Create a platform and people can use the MN anonymous router to hide out in the open with millions of other users accessing the adult content (not just porn) - this is CoinJoin - the essence of Darkcoin.

Putting adult content out of the reach of as many kids as possible is a real world problem that impacts the majority of internet users on a global scale.

Buying drugs and guns on the internet is a niche market that attracts DDoS from the authorities.

Adding the two together gets a router for those that want it and income for MNs from those that want to reward the solution to a $100bn - $200bn adult content industry.

But if its just a router that people prefer, then lets get duck duck go or Yahoo! to pay $10 to MNs for everyone who serves up its search engine and makes it their default.

I've taken over the conversation on this issue. That's it from me.

Yeah give yourself a break coins and head up to the roof for some brandy and a cigar....

[coins101]

Yeah give yourself a break coins and head up to the roof for some brandy and a cigar....

I can smell some big money here, and a very easy sell to new investors, the public, the media, governments, etc.....I think I'll just lurk on this issue for a while.

[thefrog]

Is this thread still about DRK as coin, or are we speculating new services and discussing Privacy and Censorship ?

Any news on DRK COIN ?? Any plans on how to market it ? Any news about media coverage ? Anything ?

[Kai Proctor]

Is this thread still about DRK as coin, or are we speculating new services and discussing Privacy and Censorship ?

Any news on DRK COIN ?? Any plans on how to market it ? Any news about media coverage ? Anything ?

https://darkcointalk.org/

[Terzo]

K Atlas (Blog) has a whole DRK section now !
Very nice ...>>
 

Promising Altcoins !! ...->>

http://blog.cex.io/promising-altcoins/



Promising Altcoins

By Alex Kerya, September 1, 2014
Promising Altcoins

New cryptocurrencies appear every day. At the moment, there are over 200 of them and the number increases almost exponentially.  With this many coins, it is hard to find those that have any potential. Simply, numbers are overwhelming and do not allow for a clear view on the entire ecosystem. With this in mind, we decided to pinpoint several altcoins that show promise, at least, in our opinion. Furthermore, our hope is to provide users with tools that will help them wade trough the altcoin forest.

Tools

Several websites offer altcoin comparison charts. One of the most popular ones is Coinmarketcap.com. Although it gives valuable info about relative value of different cryptocurrencies, it does not provide a clear picture of all the altcoins available. Market cap represents the value per altcoin multiplied with the amount of coins on the market. The figure produced gives an idea of how valuable each coin is. Unfortunately, the website does not account for the popularity of altcoins or their usage. Furthermore, when looking at the values presented, one should look for amount of money traded, and the shape of the graph. For example if the graph is comprised from almost unbroken geometrical lines, this indicates small volume traded, and suggests that any price jump is most likely short term in nature.  Additionally, inspecting Bitcointalk thread gives a better overview of the market and enables users to understand how popular each currency is. Furthermore, analyzing relevant subreddit can be useful. There are many factors determining the price of altcoins, but the rule of thumb is that the more popular the coin is, the price will be higher.

Altcoins

Blackcoin

One of the first POS coins on the market. Instead on relying on standard Proof of Work in order to authenticate transaction blocks, Blackcoin uses Proof of Stake. Subsequently, users do not depend on miners providing network security, but can provide it themselves by keeping the wallet open.  Additionally, BlackHalo is a feature of Blackcoin, providing unbreakable contracts between parties. It is an innovative concept that might revolutionize the way we trade.

BitShares

According to BitShares, cryptocurrencies can be viewed as shares in businesses with an eye toward maximizing profits by producing the most value possible at the least possible cost.   These businesses have come to be known as Decentralized Autonomous Companies (DACs). BitShares is a step further toward creating decentralized companies with greater accountability thanks to the blockchain.

Darkcoin

Proponents of Bitcoin often focused on its anonymity. After the closure of Silk Road, it became clear that Bitcoin is not as anonymous as it was perceived. Darkcoin tries to restore anonymity and provide a reliable service to the users. By implementing DarkSend, innovation in the protocol that mixes coins and enables anonymity, Darkcoin became one of the rare truly anonymous solutions available.

Namecoin

Namecoin developers were interested in building a general data-value store. Namecoin leverages Bitcoin’s monetary-value store but focuses more on additional information which can be stored, such as a domain name system or an identification/authorization database. It is yet another potential use of Bitcoin protocol that might have wide application in the future.

Ripple

In Ripple, users make payments between themselves by using cryptographically signed transactions denominated in either Ripple’s internal currency named XRP or in arbitrary other assets (including real-world assets such as dollars, gold, air miles etc.). Therefore users and merchants can make transactions quickly and without effort. The Ripple system connects many major players in the finance world and creates a viable ecosystem.

Conclusion

There are many other currencies out there. When we look in the past and see the situation on the market for PC’s in the 1980s, it reminds of the current cryptocurrency market. Many competitors tried to sell their own PC brand, but in the end Apple and Microsoft won the market. Maybe in the next several years we see something similar happening in the crypto world. Until then, we should keep our eyes open, so that we don’t miss new Microsoft.

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The Second wave is comming! Be prepared !

[r-ando]

Yeah give yourself a break coins and head up to the roof for some brandy and a cigar....

I can smell some big money here, and a very easy sell to new investors, the public, the media, governments, etc.....I think I'll just lurk on this issue for a while.

Hi coins, I'll do the same have a great day!

[KryptoFoo]

Unphased by the poor market response to RC4, the darkcoin development team has been chugging away. Their hard work will soon be culminating in a number of positive events all within a short time frame. Market sentiment on darkcoin should swing positive as media coverage picks up on all the action. Furthermore there is a good chance to sustain the higher prices: considering #3 and #7, we will soon have a community of brilliant developers able to take the weight off of Evan's shoulders and accelerate progress on future development plans. And there are indeed a lot of good ideas for darkcoin's future.

Darkcoin's September Perfect Storm?

1. RC4 Selloff
 

Market sentiment is overtly negative after the huge selloff corresponding with a perceived "troubled" release of RC4.

2. RC5

We'll start RC5 testing soon.

3. Open sourcing

I'm open sourcing it in a couple weeks

4. Darkcoin Foundation

We'll be releasing much more detailed information with RC5

5. Enforcement

I have a separate plan I've been considering as an alternative that carries no risk and can be done at RC5's launch

6. Trusted Peer Review & 3rd party whitepaper

Kristov says he is finishing writing up his view on DRK.

7. Future development plans

One of the future goals is to turn the masternode network into a decentralized business for masternode operators. To do this we’ll add features that improve the privacy of end users and compete with centralized businesses. Our first endeavor into this is to make a completely private tor network within Darkcoin.