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September 13, 2011, 07:36:33 AM
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PS The sooner oil is depleted, the better. We could finally take on new energy sources with full force.

You have no idea what oil does, do you? It's EVERYWHERE. Shampoo? All oil, from the content to the bottle. Computers, houses,cars, food, medicine? Significant portion of oil there too. I hope you're not attached to your current lifestyle because it will change significantly.

Yes, I know oil won't be completely depleted, but it will be too expensive to use for everyday applications and people.

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September 13, 2011, 09:52:46 AM
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and second, you can suck the co2 out of the air and make money doing it. grow tress and do somthing with the resulting lumber, besides burn it, like make wood floors and wood houses.

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September 13, 2011, 11:12:44 AM
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if you deforest an area and plant trees in a more efficient way, you actually get more trees. and trees are mostly useless anyway, aside from the animals you kill in the process. and you dont need to deforest areas to make room for planting trees, you could level off an area that used to be a parking lot, useless space is now, well useful.

Are you serious? Read The Future of Life by Edward O. Wilson and get back to me.

In a nutshell, deforestation is quite possibly the most threatening and destructive process that has ever occurred on this planet, short of the asteroid which killed the dinosaurs. Basically, the Earth's natural processes are analogous to an extraordinarily efficient factory which sustains all of us. It begins with the microscopic organisms in the soil which recycle everything. Their presence is dependent on the environment, beginning with the top level predators, whose presence is dependent on old growth forests, and cause the trophic cascades which trickle all the way down to the microscopic level.

Im not saying we mow down all the forests, they obviously have a purpose.

PS The sooner oil is depleted, the better. We could finally take on new energy sources with full force.

You have no idea what oil does, do you? It's EVERYWHERE. Shampoo? All oil, from the content to the bottle. Computers, houses,cars, food, medicine? Significant portion of oil there too. I hope you're not attached to your current lifestyle because it will change significantly.

Yes, I know oil won't be completely depleted, but it will be too expensive to use for everyday applications and people.


did you know you can make almost all of them things from things other than oil? and from what you said, id say thats a pretty good reason not to use it at all, as its a finite resource that i have no doubt will be too expensive to use in a minimum of 20-30 years if not sooner.

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September 13, 2011, 04:06:42 PM
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Im not saying we mow down all the forests, they obviously have a purpose.

Not just purpose. The way you're saying it is like saying it's a kidney. Skin would be a better term. Let's just flay the skin off of our bodies.
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September 13, 2011, 04:59:00 PM
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lol I don't use standard shampoo for a reason. Why the hell would I want to clean my skin and hair with petroleum-based product?
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September 13, 2011, 05:29:07 PM
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did you know you can make almost all of them things from things other than oil? and from what you said, id say thats a pretty good reason not to use it at all, as its a finite resource that i have no doubt will be too expensive to use in a minimum of 20-30 years if not sooner.

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September 13, 2011, 05:35:39 PM
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lol I don't use standard shampoo for a reason. Why the hell would I want to clean my skin and hair with petroleum-based product?

I responded to a post of yours, and it wasn't about shampoo. Just giving you a heads up...
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September 13, 2011, 05:54:24 PM
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lol I don't use standard shampoo for a reason. Why the hell would I want to clean my skin and hair with petroleum-based product?

I responded to a post of yours, and it wasn't about shampoo. Just giving you a heads up...
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September 13, 2011, 07:46:40 PM
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did you know you can make almost all of them things from things other than oil? and from what you said, id say thats a pretty good reason not to use it at all, as its a finite resource that i have no doubt will be too expensive to use in a minimum of 20-30 years if not sooner.

id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to. and do please be specific, something like "medicine" is not acceptable because there are countless types, let alone chemical makeup. also, i think that by the time the world hits its peak output, or used up about 3/4 of all known reserves, we will use the alternatives, or make new ones. we dont need to do a 100% replacement, just somthing like 90%, which i think is entirely possible with enough ingenuity. and even if we ran out of oil to the last drop, you can make synthetic oil, although i would not suggest using it as fuel because you put more energy into making it than it puts out. but it would be good for them hard to make items that oil is a must for.

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September 13, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
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Most human desire has not been met. There are still starving and thirsty people. The drive is there and so was the capital but very little of it was used towards means to achieve an effective goal. It was wasted in wars and bureaucracy.

Even many people have lots of desire to met, they can not get them, since a few people already occupied all the market and their productivity are much higher than all the human needs, since those poor people own nothing, even their labor is worthless, they have nothing to exchange for other things

And this has not involved government yet, I think socialism is the solution on the right direction to counter this effect, liberalism just make everything worse, and end up with extreme gap between rich and poor, deeper social crisis

Take for example an island with only 4 people, A and B could produce everything they want, and they live a good life. C and D just can not compete in the market due to they are established much later. Unless A and B give C and D some of their products for free, C and D in principle can not live on the island (given the condition that C and D have to exchange their product through market and do not own land)

If C and D are A and B's son/daughter, then this problem does not exist, that is the issential of socialism: In a big family, everyone should get care and help

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September 13, 2011, 09:33:21 PM
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did you know you can make almost all of them things from things other than oil? and from what you said, id say thats a pretty good reason not to use it at all, as its a finite resource that i have no doubt will be too expensive to use in a minimum of 20-30 years if not sooner.

id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to. and do please be specific, something like "medicine" is not acceptable because there are countless types, let alone chemical makeup. also, i think that by the time the world hits its peak output, or used up about 3/4 of all known reserves, we will use the alternatives, or make new ones. we dont need to do a 100% replacement, just somthing like 90%, which i think is entirely possible with enough ingenuity. and even if we ran out of oil to the last drop, you can make synthetic oil, although i would not suggest using it as fuel because you put more energy into making it than it puts out. but it would be good for them hard to make items that oil is a must for.

Plastic.

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September 13, 2011, 09:38:19 PM
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did you know you can make almost all of them things from things other than oil? and from what you said, id say thats a pretty good reason not to use it at all, as its a finite resource that i have no doubt will be too expensive to use in a minimum of 20-30 years if not sooner.

id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to. and do please be specific, something like "medicine" is not acceptable because there are countless types, let alone chemical makeup. also, i think that by the time the world hits its peak output, or used up about 3/4 of all known reserves, we will use the alternatives, or make new ones. we dont need to do a 100% replacement, just somthing like 90%, which i think is entirely possible with enough ingenuity. and even if we ran out of oil to the last drop, you can make synthetic oil, although i would not suggest using it as fuel because you put more energy into making it than it puts out. but it would be good for them hard to make items that oil is a must for.

Plastic.

glass, wood, you can even make "plastic" from corn.

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September 13, 2011, 09:51:24 PM
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id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to.

Ecosystems. Air. Water.
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September 13, 2011, 09:51:48 PM
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id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to.

Ecosystems. Air. Water.

ftw.

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September 13, 2011, 09:52:26 PM
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id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to.

Ecosystems. Air. Water.

nothing to do with oil, as they do not require it to exist, although you can argue they do.

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September 13, 2011, 09:58:53 PM
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id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to.

Ecosystems. Air. Water.

nothing to do with oil, as they do not require it to exist, although you can argue they do.

So, how about plastics?

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September 13, 2011, 10:00:45 PM
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id like to see you say 1 thing where there is not an alternative to.

Ecosystems. Air. Water.

nothing to do with oil, as they do not require it to exist, although you can argue they do.

So, how about plastics?

read my post a few up about that.

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September 13, 2011, 10:09:03 PM
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Goddamn, you're retarded.

Corn is your solution? Do you have any idea what monoculture does to the environment? Learn something about agriculture and ecology and then come back and have a real conversation. Look into some material science as well...bioplastics are not a replacement for petro-plastics. There is not enough water and space on this whole goddamn planet to grow enough corn to synthesize a month's worth of plastic. How do you plan on powering that extremely energy intensive process?

Wood - not a substitute for rigid or rubberized plastic. How many wooden plumbing systems have you seen?
Glass - also not a substitute for plastic. Again...material science, son. You can make windows and bongs and kitchenware with glass...that's about it.

You seem to have very little understanding of the industrialized world. Perhaps you are in an internet cafe in Ethiopia, but I doubt it. Being a 14-year-old who has it all figured out is a much more likely culprit.

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September 13, 2011, 10:10:42 PM
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Rubber...

Another one for you to ponder.

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September 13, 2011, 10:20:34 PM
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Goddamn, you're retarded.

Corn is your solution? Do you have any idea what monoculture does to the environment? Learn something about agriculture and ecology and then come back and have a real conversation. Look into some material science as well...bioplastics are not a replacement for petro-plastics. There is not enough water and space on this whole goddamn planet to grow enough corn to synthesize a month's worth of plastic. How do you plan on powering that extremely energy intensive process?

Wood - not a substitute for rigid or rubberized plastic. How many wooden plumbing systems have you seen?
Glass - also not a substitute for plastic. Again...material science, son. You can make windows and bongs and kitchenware with glass...that's about it.

You seem to have very little understanding of the industrialized world. Perhaps you are in an internet cafe in Ethiopia, but I doubt it. Being a 14-year-old who has it all figured out is a much more likely culprit.

a notice before you start saying any bs about this post i am about to make, I DO NOT CONDONE KILLING PEOPLE TO LOWER THE POPULATION

throughout history, we have been able to keep a very healthy number of people, below 1 billion in the entire world, with the advent of steam(coal, wood other nonrenewable) and oil, the population has grown over 6 fold.

now tell me, how do we possibly maintain a population that has grown to such a size, when we know for a fact that we are unable to maintain this growth. obviously the alternatives will require LARGE amounts of land to use, versus oil where you suck it up and use it. and ill say it again, not everything has a viable alternative, so ill say it again, you will just have to live with more expensive synthetics. this is something you can not and will not be able to avoid as the world worships oil, whether you like it or not. 10 calories of carbon based energy in the production of every 1 calorie you eat. mostly due to moving it around. id also be willing to bet that figure is inflated, but it still goes to show, it probably does have some truth.

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