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September 29, 2011, 02:17:54 AM
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Why didn't the target organizations of these regulations lobby the OSHA/State government to prevent this regulation. If it's that easy to get your way through lobbying I'd wager that your dentist, along with a few colleagues, could have stopped it.

They probably had no idea about it. If they did, they probably had fewer resources to throw at a single issue than would a large corporation that's going to make a lot of money from it.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA OMFG the irony is too much!

Don't you see it?  You're pointing out blatant problems WITH YOUR OWN SYSTEM.

How so?

Is it not obvious?
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September 29, 2011, 02:04:27 PM
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and second, you can suck the co2 out of the air and make money doing it. grow tress and do somthing with the resulting lumber, besides burn it, like make wood floors and wood houses.

This is a joke, right?

Actually, it has been found that new trees pull CO2 out of the air faster than older trees. Cutting down older trees and planting new ones actually helps in getting rid of CO2. The carbon is transferred to the wood and the oxygen is released. There are many wood based products that can be manufactured that could replace petroleum based products.

He is right that burning it is of no use because all that does is takes the carbon in the tree and sucks the oxygen out of the air and just releases CO2 back into the air.

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September 29, 2011, 02:59:43 PM
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Why didn't the target organizations of these regulations lobby the OSHA/State government to prevent this regulation. If it's that easy to get your way through lobbying I'd wager that your dentist, along with a few colleagues, could have stopped it.

They probably had no idea about it. If they did, they probably had fewer resources to throw at a single issue than would a large corporation that's going to make a lot of money from it.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA OMFG the irony is too much!

Don't you see it?  You're pointing out blatant problems WITH YOUR OWN SYSTEM.

How so?

Are you really that stupid?

How about information disparity (can't protect/defend myself from things I don't know exist), highlighted in blue, and power/wealth disparity (biggest gun makes the rules), highlighted in red.

Can you see it now??

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September 29, 2011, 03:21:15 PM
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To answer the OP:

There is a thing called human nature. Humans SEEK REWARD and AVOID PAIN.

If you agree with this simple premise, then you cannot support socialism.

Humans will endure pain (work) in exchange for a sufficient amount of reward (money/goods). They will also avoid more pain (starvation/homelessness) in exchange for less pain (work).

Socialism seeks to give an equal amount of reward for a varying amount of pain. Humans will do what they can to endure the least amount of pain, thus they will do the least amount of work if the reward is always the same.

Thus socialism encourages people to do the least amount of work. If the least amount of work you can get away with is no work, then everyone will eventually gravitate toward doing no work.

When nobody in a country is working. Nothing is being produced, no services are provided, and society basically implodes.

The only way to counter the basic premise of socialism where everyone is given an equal amount of reward for varying pain is to use the threat of more pain to promote less pain.

Thus governments must punish those who do not work, jail them or kill them in order to have any productivity.

This is why Americans fear Socialism.

One final solution is to brainwash people into thinking that they are enduring pain in exchange for the reward of "something bigger". Such as patriotism, a sense of honor, duty, unity, the good of the collective, beating the competition, etc...

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September 29, 2011, 05:57:51 PM
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Why does it have to be an extreme form of socialism? Why not do what most of Europe has done and have socialism in some areas and capitalism in others? Granted some states have failed to do proper calculations and haven't balanced their income with the benefits they give their citizens, but most have done a fairly good job.
The fact that the banks also failed in their responsibilities and lent money to overspending states is a major concern right now, but that's not a failure of socialism, that's capitalism failing.

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September 29, 2011, 06:09:32 PM
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In Europe a socialist is just a liberal. In The US it means communist.
Even the most right wing European governments are socialist by American standards.
Treating a child with cancer for free is considered socialism in the US. Make em pay with their hard earned pocket money. Make them do a paper round or something.
I'm amazed no one has pointed out that free education for children is socialism.
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September 29, 2011, 06:10:55 PM
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I'm amazed no one has pointed out that free education for children is socialism.

Free education for children is socialism.

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September 29, 2011, 06:13:40 PM
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Why does it have to be an extreme form of socialism?

It is as ok as just having a little bit of cancer.

Sure it may not kill you, but most likely all of the bad things that are happening to your body are most likely related to the cancer.

And then there is the fact that it has been known to grow.

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September 29, 2011, 06:24:22 PM
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I'm amazed no one has pointed out that free education for children is socialism.

Free education for children is socialism.

I'm amazed
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September 29, 2011, 06:27:13 PM
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Why didn't the target organizations of these regulations lobby the OSHA/State government to prevent this regulation. If it's that easy to get your way through lobbying I'd wager that your dentist, along with a few colleagues, could have stopped it.

They probably had no idea about it. If they did, they probably had fewer resources to throw at a single issue than would a large corporation that's going to make a lot of money from it.


HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA OMFG the irony is too much!

Don't you see it?  You're pointing out blatant problems WITH YOUR OWN SYSTEM.

How so?

Are you really that stupid?

How about information disparity (can't protect/defend myself from things I don't know exist), highlighted in blue, and power/wealth disparity (biggest gun makes the rules), highlighted in red.

Can you see it now??

No. Instead of blurting out non sequiturs, perhaps you could put forth a complete argument?
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September 29, 2011, 06:29:07 PM
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Why does it have to be an extreme form of socialism? Why not do what most of Europe has done and have socialism in some areas and capitalism in others? Granted some states have failed to do proper calculations and haven't balanced their income with the benefits they give their citizens, but most have done a fairly good job.
The fact that the banks also failed in their responsibilities and lent money to overspending states is a major concern right now, but that's not a failure of socialism, that's capitalism failing.


Because the world is black and white, thus I can't comprehend anything in between.

All problems in society are the government's fault.
All good things in society come from wealth and big business.

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September 29, 2011, 06:31:14 PM
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All problems in society are the government's fault.
All good things in society come from wealth and big business.

That's just your straw man argument. It's no wonder you disagree with us when you don't even comprehend our position. Though, maybe you do but you're just trolling...
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September 29, 2011, 06:36:07 PM
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I'm amazed no one has pointed out that free education for children is socialism.

Free education for children is socialism.

I'm amazed

Well, there is the caveat that there could be free education that is not socialist.

Teachers could decide to voluntarily provide their services every day. Janitors could volunteer to take care of the school. Construction workers could volunteer to build the building. Donors could donate materials.

Or someone could voluntarily give their money to pay for the school for the child's free education.

Or the child can be home schooled.

Otherwise someone has to pay. Or under socialism you steal money from someone and give it to the school.

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September 29, 2011, 06:37:25 PM
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Fuck you people! can't you just not be friends? its you people that are waging war, be happy people!
two facts of politics:
extreem liberalism is BAD!
extreem socialism is BAD!

make a blend!
get over it!

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September 29, 2011, 06:37:48 PM
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I'm amazed no one has pointed out that free education for children is socialism.

Free education for children is socialism.

I'm amazed

Well, there is the caveat that there could be free education that is not socialist.

Teachers could decide to voluntarily provide their services every day. Janitors could volunteer to take care of the school. Construction workers could volunteer to build the building. Donors could donate materials.

Or someone could voluntarily give their money to pay for the school for the child's free education.

Or the child can be home schooled.

Otherwise someone has to pay. Or under socialism you steal money from someone and give it to the school.

It's called tax. That's how teachers get payed
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September 29, 2011, 06:37:54 PM
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Or under socialism you steal money from someone and give it to the school.

No, no.  What you actually do is tax someone that's benefiting by living in a society with public education.  You have to pay for that benefit.  There's a price for all benefits.  You don't get to have all the indirect benefits of government programs without having to contribute to the government programs.

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September 29, 2011, 07:11:44 PM
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It's called tax. That's how teachers get payed

Let me finish that for you: and taxing is theft and that's how the teachers get paid.

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September 29, 2011, 07:16:11 PM
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No, no.  What you actually do is tax someone that's benefiting by living in a society with public education.  You have to pay for that benefit.  There's a price for all benefits.  You don't get to have all the indirect benefits of government programs without having to contribute to the government programs.

I could probably do a lot of good things with your money AyeYo. I'll do a cost/benefit analysis for you. (.....calculating.....) Yep, it's a good idea to steal your money and give it to needy children for their education. I hope you don't mind.

Of course you probably don't have enough to go around, so I'll take it from your neighbor and your neighbors' neighbor... A law sure could make this handy...

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September 29, 2011, 07:16:28 PM
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It's called tax. That's how teachers get payed

Let me finish that for you: and taxing is theft and that's how the teachers get paid.

Thats just your opinion.  You are outvoted.  

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September 29, 2011, 07:22:51 PM
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Thats just your opinion.  You are outvoted.  

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Theft has no conditional element to it. Just cuz you make a law to permit theft, doesn't make it more benevolent.

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