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April 09, 2013, 07:32:47 PM
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do you know that some people, actually wants to pay taxes because they supports the system?
Wouldn't it be great to pick which programs you support, and not have to get the whole package, the welfare AND the bombs?
why don't you want welfare?
Are you implying I'm OK with the bombs? Or are you the one who pays into the system willingly, because you like blowing up brown people on the other side of the planet?

Read it again: Wouldn't it be great to pick which programs you support? To be able to pay to support people who need help, without having to ALSO pay for blowing up brown people on the other side of the planet?
but its fun to blow people up! (yes, im trolling hard now!)

yes it would be nice if we had a choice, thats why we have elections every 4 years(here in denmark). more direct democracy would be nice.
Or perhaps a direct choice of the programs?  http://www.charitynavigator.org Help specifically the people you want to help, without risking that the money might instead be used to detonate children on another continent. The best part is, if the organization you're funding decides to blow up people instead of helping the ones they said they would, you don't have to wait 4 years to pick a different one.

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April 09, 2013, 10:07:54 PM
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jews will stop any such endeavour because jews are out to exterminate the Palestinians.

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April 09, 2013, 10:14:03 PM
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jews will stop any such endeavour because jews are out to exterminate the Palestinians.
That isn't even relevant to the discussion. Do you have some sort of quota you have to meet or something?

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April 09, 2013, 10:29:33 PM
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jews will stop any such endeavour because jews are out to exterminate the Palestinians.
That isn't even relevant to the discussion. Do you have some sort of quota you have to meet or something?

so you don't deny the fact that jews are out for extermination of Palestinians?

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April 09, 2013, 10:32:48 PM
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jews will stop any such endeavour because jews are out to exterminate the Palestinians.
That isn't even relevant to the discussion. Do you have some sort of quota you have to meet or something?

so you don't deny the fact that jews are out for extermination of Palestinians?
I don't know any Jews that want to exterminate Palestinians. Then again, I don't live in Israel, or work in their halls of State, so it's unlikely I would.

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April 09, 2013, 10:39:25 PM
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I tell you those jews exist.

all jewish liars will deny that though.

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April 09, 2013, 10:40:27 PM
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I tell you those jews exist.

I don't deny that they do. But none of the Jews I know share their opinions.

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April 09, 2013, 10:41:44 PM
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I don't understand, maybe I'm just too young with whole cold-war mentality born just around collapse. Sure communism didn't work out very well.

But, I do prefer some socialism to pure capitalism. So I don't realy get this whole fear of it in USA, it can't be all bad or is it? Can someone explain it to me?

Why do i fear people with guns telling me what to do? because chances are they are going to tell me to do things that are different from what i would have chosen to do myself, otherwise they wouldn't have needed the guns now would they.

Do you feel that pure capitalism is scary? the bitcoin community is probably the closest example of pure capitalism that we can point to in the modern world. What is so scary about the bitcoin community?

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If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited? Is there any process, procedure or ritual through which an immoral action can be legitimately transformed into a moral one with out changing the character of the action itself?
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April 09, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
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you find those jews a lot on youtube - however - for the whole world to see

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April 09, 2013, 10:45:19 PM
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We're slowly working our way to a jobless economy, which makes many of these common economic systems pointless.  If we can create quality food cheaply by machine labor, we have solved 99 problems, but the state ain't one.

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April 09, 2013, 10:47:17 PM
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Margaret Thatcher taught a lesson on how to fuck up an empire on capitalist crap ideology.

Hitler would be proud of her!

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April 09, 2013, 10:49:21 PM
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cmon antibanker, take whatever you got up your *ss out of there and stop whining.
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April 09, 2013, 10:50:57 PM
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cmon antibanker, take whatever you got up your *ss out of there and stop whining.

Sound advice.

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April 09, 2013, 11:23:31 PM
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April 09, 2013, 11:32:48 PM
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Anybody think it would stay even, if you distributed all the US wealth the way he showed?

Or would it shake right back out again to that curve?

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April 09, 2013, 11:36:28 PM
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I get irritated about people arguing about socialism versus capitalism, as if there were two warring camps, one insisting a hammer is the only tool that can be used for anything, and another camp insisting that only a screwdriver should ever be used for any task.  

There are some tasks, like national defense, that pretty much everyone will agree should be handled by the state, because no one person or entity can provide military services effectively.  There are others, like designing products for sale, where capitalism is obviously the solution.  As a perfect example, look at the shitty cars the Soviet bloc countries created when they were basically in charge of producing them.  You had utter shit like the Trabant, people waited on a list for years to pay too much to buy one, and then it immediately started falling apart.  The government does an absolute shit job at generating consumer products.

The most prosperous countries in the world, often in Scandinavia, have a pragmatic position of using capitalism to do stuff where capitalism works, and socialism for things where socialism works.  America sets the balance further toward capitalism, but we still have some socialist policies, even though people are afraid to call them that when they're popular.  

I tend to think the Scandinavian countries set the balance about right, but the USA, as one example, is never going to go that direction.  We are more likely to go in the direction of Switzerland, which has a somewhat similar federal system.

Americans, having been at a near-war state with the largest "socialist" experiment, the USSR, are naturally suspicious of anything that smacks of that system, since it catastrophically exploded and melted down.  While I am worried we might do the same thing, perhaps even by making the exact opposite mistake as the USSR, we haven't done so quite yet.  Our system, while not perfect, is certainly better than the USSR.

I don't agree with where exactly we set the balance between capitalist and socialist policies, but it's not completely insane.  Yet.
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April 09, 2013, 11:37:11 PM
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Anybody think it would stay even, if you distributed all the US wealth the way he showed?

Or would it shake right back out again to that curve?
The NBA is a pretty sound case study in that.   The ones that came from middle/upper class hold their money, the other 85% declare bankruptcy within 5 years of ending play.

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April 09, 2013, 11:45:24 PM
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The NBA is a pretty sound case study in that.   The ones that came from middle/upper class hold their money, the other 85% declare bankruptcy within 5 years of ending play.

Not sure about those percentages, but it sure seems to happen a lot.  I think they were disserved by the universities they attended.  There should really be some effort put into teaching basic economics to athletes who are likely to need to manage money at some point, but aren't exactly geniuses.  You don't have to be brilliant to manage your money, just careful, and that can be taught.
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April 09, 2013, 11:46:52 PM
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I get irritated about people arguing about socialism versus capitalism, as if there were two warring camps, one insisting a hammer is the only tool that can be used for anything, and another camp insisting that only a screwdriver should ever be used for any task.  
You should see the handle of my screwdriver.  Cheesy

But seriously, Unions, mutual aid groups, charities, etc. would all have a place, even in an AnCap society. Not everyone realizes that.

There are some tasks, like national defense, that pretty much everyone will agree should be handled by the state, because no one person or entity can provide military services effectively.
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April 09, 2013, 11:51:06 PM
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The NBA is a pretty sound case study in that.   The ones that came from middle/upper class hold their money, the other 85% declare bankruptcy within 5 years of ending play.

Not sure about those percentages, but it sure seems to happen a lot.  I think they were disserved by the universities they attended.  There should really be some effort put into teaching basic economics to athletes who are likely to need to manage money at some point, but aren't exactly geniuses.  You don't have to be brilliant to manage your money, just careful, and that can be taught.

last NFL player to chapter 7 said "no one told me that I wouldn't get paid this much every week, how was I to know it was only on game weeks and that I had to pay taxes?"

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