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April 20, 2013, 11:42:24 PM
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Simple answer: Because socialism denies individual rights.  I have the right to mine metal and make a widget, I have the right to sell apples, and the "human rights" of others, who may be starving do not supersede my rights, no matter how badly they hurt.

dont you know, freedom means everything is free

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If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited? Is there any process, procedure or ritual through which an immoral action can be legitimately transformed into a moral one with out changing the character of the action itself?
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April 21, 2013, 12:35:39 AM
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Simple answer: Because socialism denies individual rights.  I have the right to mine metal and make a widget, I have the right to sell apples, and the "human rights" of others, who may be starving do not supersede my rights, no matter how badly they hurt.

dont you know, freedom means everything is free

No, it doesn't.  Freedom means being able to have a free and clear title/ownership of something, without some do-gooder socialist trying to steal it.

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April 21, 2013, 12:54:14 AM
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Simple answer: Because socialism denies individual rights.  I have the right to mine metal and make a widget, I have the right to sell apples, and the "human rights" of others, who may be starving do not supersede my rights, no matter how badly they hurt.

dont you know, freedom means everything is free

No, it doesn't.  Freedom means being able to have a free and clear title/ownership of something, without some do-gooder socialist trying to steal it.

It was a joke. Mb a little too subtle =P

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If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited? Is there any process, procedure or ritual through which an immoral action can be legitimately transformed into a moral one with out changing the character of the action itself?
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April 21, 2013, 12:56:06 AM
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Simple answer: Because socialism denies individual rights.  I have the right to mine metal and make a widget, I have the right to sell apples, and the "human rights" of others, who may be starving do not supersede my rights, no matter how badly they hurt.

dont you know, freedom means everything is free

No, it doesn't.  Freedom means being able to have a free and clear title/ownership of something, without some do-gooder socialist trying to steal it.

It was a joke. Mb a little too subtle =P
Forgot the [/sarc] tag.

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April 21, 2013, 01:15:48 AM
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Simple answer: Because socialism denies individual rights.  I have the right to mine metal and make a widget, I have the right to sell apples, and the "human rights" of others, who may be starving do not supersede my rights, no matter how badly they hurt.

dont you know, freedom means everything is free

No, it doesn't.  Freedom means being able to have a free and clear title/ownership of something, without some do-gooder socialist trying to steal it.

It was a joke. Mb a little too subtle =P

Fair 'nuff.  I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.

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April 21, 2013, 01:25:39 AM
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Fair 'nuff.  I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.
Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

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April 21, 2013, 01:37:01 AM
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Fair 'nuff.  I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.
Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

You do have a point.  I do often show some degree of hostility to those that I consider to be espousing positions that may be a threat to my freedom, and that is my demon to wrestle with.  I do try not to make ad-hominem attacks, or use foul language, but I also believe very strongly in freedom, as an AnCap guy.

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April 21, 2013, 01:54:58 AM
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Fair 'nuff.  I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.
Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

You do have a point.  I do often show some degree of hostility to those that I consider to be espousing positions that may be a threat to my freedom, and that is my demon to wrestle with.  I do try not to make ad-hominem attacks, or use foul language, but I also believe very strongly in freedom, as an AnCap guy.
As you may have guessed, I'm an AnCap as well, and I believe just as strongly in freedom as do you. If you can remain civil, I promise to, too. Wink

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April 21, 2013, 12:28:08 PM
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Fair 'nuff.  I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.
Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

You do have a point.  I do often show some degree of hostility to those that I consider to be espousing positions that may be a threat to my freedom, and that is my demon to wrestle with.  I do try not to make ad-hominem attacks, or use foul language, but I also believe very strongly in freedom, as an AnCap guy.
As you may have guessed, I'm an AnCap as well, and I believe just as strongly in freedom as do you. If you can remain civil, I promise to, too. Wink

Excellent.  I look forward to discussing things with you.  Even though we may not agree on many things, a discussion of nuance and real-world application is often eye-opening.

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May 25, 2013, 08:40:02 PM
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May 25, 2013, 08:42:25 PM
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I can't believe this thread is still going on...

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May 25, 2013, 09:24:06 PM
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Finshaggy is necro-ing.

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May 25, 2013, 09:31:21 PM
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Finshaggy is necro-ing.

To discuss creating a robo socialist town. It's completely on topic, if you don't want to discuss then ignore it.

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May 25, 2013, 09:45:27 PM
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Finshaggy is necro-ing.

I wonder how many times this thread have been necroed... Atleast twice, probably more...

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May 25, 2013, 09:47:48 PM
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Fair 'nuff.  I've been arguing IP rights with myrkul for a bit, I may have gotten a bit hostile. please forgive me.
Anger is a sign that you're taking an issue personally, that you are emotionally invested, and may not be thinking entirely logically. Perhaps you should step back and think about things for a few minutes.

Nono. Anger is a sign you're coming over the Dark Side! Goob job Mykrul, you will convert this one, his will is weak!
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May 26, 2013, 12:13:01 AM
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In reality people in the USA support socialism. They just do not know that that is the word for what they like (and continue to vote for).

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May 27, 2013, 10:50:13 PM
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USA fear socialism because this term was used by USSR to oppose global domination of USD debt economy,
Lets pick developed capitalistic countries like USA, Japan, they highly dependent on resources from Russia, Latins, Mid East, Africa, because the living standards based on exchange of highly marginal goods And USD debts to low paid resources and low paid works.
 
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May 28, 2013, 02:29:32 AM
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USA fear socialism because this term was used by USSR to oppose global domination of USD debt economy,
Lets pick developed capitalistic countries like USA, Japan, they highly dependent on resources from Russia, Latins, Mid East, Africa, because the living standards based on exchange of highly marginal goods And USD debts to low paid resources and low paid works.
 
socialism is a zero sum game, capitalism is not.
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May 28, 2013, 02:37:34 AM
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Oh I'm sorry, forgive us. We only just had the only country in the world that experienced 200 years of exponential prosperity and growth.
Forgive us if we choose to oppose an already proven; failed economic system.

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May 28, 2013, 03:23:53 AM
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no matter what people think, the fact is - global debt domination of fed debt system going to collapse. And there is no soviet treat anymore to save middle class from robbing by banksters (i think S&P500 crash is highly possible in near future).
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