Why do people in USA fear socialism so much?

[kokjo]

I'd say the socialism hate is perfectly warranted. People, especially Americans, like owning stuff.

Like shitty health care plans. LOL

In Soviet Union you had to bribe to get medical care. Otherwise it's like few years wait.

(true story)

According to "Sicko" Cuba is actually better than parts of the US when it comes to health care.

and also according to House.

[myrkul]

I'd say the socialism hate is perfectly warranted. People, especially Americans, like owning stuff.

Like shitty health care plans. LOL

Our health care used to be great. And cheap, too. Until the government stepped in and "fixed" it.

[cypher-punk]

I'd say the socialism hate is perfectly warranted. People, especially Americans, like owning stuff.

Like shitty health care plans. LOL

Our health care used to be great. And cheap, too. Until the government stepped in and "fixed" it.

get rid of it then. I mean the gov, yeah.

[creativex]

I'd say the socialism hate is perfectly warranted. People, especially Americans, like owning stuff.

Like shitty health care plans. LOL

Our health care used to be great. And cheap, too. Until the government stepped in and "fixed" it.

get rid of it then. I mean the gov, yeah.

So easily said...

[cypher-punk]

I'd say the socialism hate is perfectly warranted. People, especially Americans, like owning stuff.

Like shitty health care plans. LOL

Our health care used to be great. And cheap, too. Until the government stepped in and "fixed" it.

get rid of it then. I mean the gov, yeah.

So easily said...

What you got all those amendments for at all? 

[Mike Christ]

I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.

[cypher-punk]

some say: Federal income tax is illegal too. But I'm less sure in that tax case. Please elaborate...   

[kokjo]

I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.

explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.

[cypher-punk]

I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.

explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.

I beg to differ.

Point in case: The State Of Palestine   vs.   The State Of Israel

very murky legal case...   

[Mike Christ]

I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.

explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.

When they decided the confederacy wasn't working out (as I've come to understand, this is as close to anarchism as has ever been attained in America,) they convened in Philadelphia to make some amendments.  When they couldn't find a unanimous vote, they decided the system would never work out.  These people only had permission from the general public to convene to change the articles of confederation, and were not given permission to throw their government away and invent a completely new one without anyone else's consent.  Thus, the constitution was born, and it was illegal for it to exist.  It still is.

[myrkul]

I just learned in class today that the American government we know and love today is actually illegal.  Funny how that's never been brought up before, in my entire 21 years of living.

explain!? i smell bullshit, a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

one government can call another government illegal, but that does not count.

When they decided the confederacy wasn't working out (as I've come to understand, this is as close to anarchism as has ever been attained in America,) they convened in Philadelphia to make some amendments.  When they couldn't find a unanimous vote, they decided the system would never work out.  These people only had permission from the general public to convene to change the articles of confederation, and were not given permission to throw their government away and invent a completely new one without anyone else's consent.  Thus, the constitution was born, and it was illegal for it to exist.  It still is.

Some interesting reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Treason
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard81.html

[cypher-punk]

wow.

This means...   thinking it through...



W O W ! 

[myrkul]

a government can't logically be illegal, because they make the rules.

Just like they could define "good service" as kicking you in the ass on your way out the door, giving you nothing, and you couldn't complain, because they set the rules defining good service.

[cypher-punk]

it means:

Obama is legally an unemployed person eligible for FOOD STAMPS !!

[Rassah]

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

[cypher-punk]

well, Adolf Hitler was illegal for sure, no?

[Mike Christ]

It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.

[kokjo]

well, Adolf Hitler was illegal for sure, no?

no, he was elected.

[cypher-punk]

It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.

So: The Israeli government cannot possibly legitimze itself on territories which were not granted by the United Nations ?

Please be clear in your answer. Thank you, Sir.

[myrkul]

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

Well, by my definition, they are. But that's beside the point. The point here is, that these people were tasked with a specific job. They decided that job was too hard, and did another one instead. In essence, they committed a coup against the legitimate government under the articles of confederation.