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April 15, 2013, 06:20:04 PM
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your def, your def...

we are talking international law, dude!
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April 15, 2013, 06:20:41 PM
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It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.
This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.

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April 15, 2013, 06:24:01 PM
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It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.
This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.
Because they write the laws.

Tautology. Look it up.

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April 15, 2013, 06:24:34 PM
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It means an illegitimate body is writing the word on legitimacy.

It's only illegal in the same way a king coming over, taking over your property, claiming it's his, and setting up rules is illegal. They just decided to make the king be electable by a representable body, and put term limits on him. So, really, by your definition, almost no government would be legal.

I agree.  No government can legitimize itself.  And it's not my definition; my professor's the one who made the connection.
This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.

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April 15, 2013, 06:25:10 PM
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So: The Israeli government cannot possibly legitimze itself on territories which were not granted by the United Nations ?

Please be clear in your answer. Thank you, Sir.


I don't think they're legitimate period.  You don't declare land as yours and then expect everyone to agree with you.  Law is just a lie, the word of God, to make your actions appear appropriate.  Law or no law, it's all a mind game.  If Israel wants land, it's because it wants to expand and become more powerful.  They can pretend to be civilized, but it's the same shit that's been happening for thousands of years.

This is a chicken-and-egg problem. chickens exist, governments are legal.

On the contrary, eggs exist, governments are legal.  Chickens came first, and so did anarchy.

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April 15, 2013, 06:28:20 PM
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So: The Israeli government cannot possibly legitimze itself on territories which were not granted by the United Nations ?

Please be clear in your answer. Thank you, Sir.[/b][/color]

I was under the impression that the Israelies bought and paid for the land they currently reside on

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April 15, 2013, 06:40:01 PM
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You mean like Mr. Adolf Hitler had a somewhat similar claim on Poland, Ukraine, Stalingrad, Moscow, Paris?

Like that kind of "claim" by any chance? Or maybe I misspelled "claim" as a legal term... under [wtf] law. I am not sure.
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April 15, 2013, 06:43:43 PM
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You mean like Mr. Adolf Hitler had a somewhat similar claim on Poland, Ukraine, Stalingrad, Moscow, Paris?

Like that kind of "claim" by any chance? Or maybe I misspelled "claim" as a legal term... under [wtf] law. I am not sure.
This is a complete non-sequitur. You really need to start quoting the posts you're replying to, so we have a chance of piecing together wtf you're saying.

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April 15, 2013, 06:45:12 PM
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So: The Israeli government cannot possibly legitimze itself on territories which were not granted by the United Nations ?

Please be clear in your answer. Thank you, Sir.[/b][/color]

I was under the impression that the Israelies bought and paid for the land they currently reside on

Did they pay to the HAMAS government of Palestine then? Or any crony? Or nobody at all - until Hussein Obama intervened very recently?

Which money transfers are you aware of?    Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh
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April 15, 2013, 06:46:52 PM
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You mean like Mr. Adolf Hitler had a somewhat similar claim on Poland, Ukraine, Stalingrad, Moscow, Paris?

Like that kind of "claim" by any chance? Or maybe I misspelled "claim" as a legal term... under [wtf] law. I am not sure.
This is a complete non-sequitur. You really need to start quoting the posts you're replying to, so we have a chance of piecing together wtf you're saying.
shit! i did not notice, maybe thats why im having a hard time understanding him. Smiley

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April 15, 2013, 06:49:32 PM
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Well - anyhow.

Please give us the public record of monies that Israelis paid for Arab lands in recent history to back up all of the above political statements.

Thank You, Sir.
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April 15, 2013, 06:51:13 PM
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I wouldn't mind if people were buying and selling land.  It's when they buy and sell land, and you still have to pay a tax to exist on it, because someone else already owns all the land and you're just trading a piece of paper.  You cannot live without a place to exist.  Why don't we just section off portions of the sky, claim state ownership, and then charge a breathing tax?  That's what land tax is.  It's a tax for existing at all.

How much does the state pay the state for its land?  Oh wait, that's right, they're the ones charging rent.  Good thing that tax goes right back to us--oh wait, that's right.

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April 15, 2013, 06:58:58 PM
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Well - anyhow.

Please give us the public record of monies that Israelis paid for Arab lands in recent history to back up all of the above political statements.

Thank You, Sir.

oh, how nice colored text. only S3052 is allowed to do that.

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April 15, 2013, 07:00:10 PM
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Well - anyhow.

Please give us the public record of monies that Israelis paid for Arab lands in recent history to back up all of the above political statements.

Thank You, Sir.

oh, how nice colored text. only S3052 is allowed to do that.

He is Israeli by any chance? Yeah?
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April 15, 2013, 07:02:27 PM
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Well - anyhow.

Please give us the public record of monies that Israelis paid for Arab lands in recent history to back up all of the above political statements.

Thank You, Sir.

oh, how nice colored text. only S3052 is allowed to do that.

he is Iraeli by any chance? Yeah?

IT WAS A KIND SUGGESTION TO STOP USING FANCY COLORED LETTERS BECAUSE THEY ANNOY ME

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April 15, 2013, 07:06:46 PM
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fine with me
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April 15, 2013, 08:17:52 PM
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Well - anyhow.

Please give us the public record of monies that Israelis paid for Arab lands in recent history to back up all of the above political statements.

Thank You, Sir.


Easy enough. Source link:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jewish+land+purchase+in+palestine&l=1

They paid the actual land owners, not any government. And wtf did Obama do in Israel other than visit it?

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April 17, 2013, 02:35:52 PM
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Well - anyhow.

Please give us the public record of monies that Israelis paid for Arab lands in recent history to back up all of the above political statements.

Thank You, Sir.


Easy enough. Source link:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jewish+land+purchase+in+palestine&l=1

They paid the actual land owners, not any government. And wtf did Obama do in Israel other than visit it?

linky no worky
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April 17, 2013, 02:45:26 PM
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Well - anyhow.

Please give us the public record of monies that Israelis paid for Arab lands in recent history to back up all of the above political statements.

Thank You, Sir.


Easy enough. Source link:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=jewish+land+purchase+in+palestine&l=1

They paid the actual land owners, not any government. And wtf did Obama do in Israel other than visit it?

linky no worky
Worked fine for me. I ended up here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

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April 20, 2013, 11:37:35 PM
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Simple answer: Because socialism denies individual rights.  I have the right to mine metal and make a widget, I have the right to sell apples, and the "human rights" of others, who may be starving do not supersede my rights, no matter how badly they hurt.

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