[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread

[TaunSew]

Has anyone got a rough idea when NEM will launch yet?

No idea. . Closed alpha has not yet begin. .

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[MrPortMan]

1 Nem price will 0.00000050 - 0.00000100 BTC, because : http://mmgp.ru/showthread.php?p=6694769#post6694769

Generally, the price of Nem initially has to be low. With the gradual smooth growth as it BitCoin had everything. Because if at once the price jumps up to high levels - we will see an example as AuroraCoin rose and then fell in price on so many that now became nobody the necessary coin.

The presumable price of one coin of Nem on start I consider fair at the level of 50 Satoshi. It somewhere each share (1000000 coins) will cost about 300 USD. And here the first auction will begin with this mark at the exchanges where there will be in the beginning auction on Nem.

Why it is necessary that there was initially low price of a coin? That, thanks to skillful marketing and a huge number of the people supporting a coin, it started going up in price from the bottoms. Usually, I often see in other coins of charge. Charges go that the high price of a coin and all cryptocommunity is initially exposed at once starts speaking: Here clever men, took at once put the high price. So it isn't fair! And if in details over it it isn't fair to think, it is possible to understand why it isn't fair. Because when the coin starts bargaining with the bottoms, and lower than a price any more won't be, here even the child the school student starts understanding that it is necessary to buy it. Thus through the low price everyone the chance to buy a perspective coin in the future which compare to Tesla Motors will drop out.

[hunanay]

Very quiet ah, looks everybody in this thread：
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=616467.260

[hunanay]

1 Nem price will 0.00000050 - 0.00000100 BTC, because : http://mmgp.ru/showthread.php?p=6694769#post6694769

Generally, the price of Nem initially has to be low. With the gradual smooth growth as it BitCoin had everything. Because if at once the price jumps up to high levels - we will see an example as AuroraCoin rose and then fell in price on so many that now became nobody the necessary coin.

The presumable price of one coin of Nem on start I consider fair at the level of 50 Satoshi. It somewhere each share (1000000 coins) will cost about 300 USD. And here the first auction will begin with this mark at the exchanges where there will be in the beginning auction on Nem.

Why it is necessary that there was initially low price of a coin? That, thanks to skillful marketing and a huge number of the people supporting a coin, it started going up in price from the bottoms. Usually, I often see in other coins of charge. Charges go that the high price of a coin and all cryptocommunity is initially exposed at once starts speaking: Here clever men, took at once put the high price. So it isn't fair! And if in details over it it isn't fair to think, it is possible to understand why it isn't fair. Because when the coin starts bargaining with the bottoms, and lower than a price any more won't be, here even the child the school student starts understanding that it is necessary to buy it. Thus through the low price everyone the chance to buy a perspective coin in the future which compare to Tesla Motors will drop out.

Should be much higher than this.

[MrPortMan]

1 Nem price will 0.00000050 - 0.00000100 BTC, because : http://mmgp.ru/showthread.php?p=6694769#post6694769

Generally, the price of Nem initially has to be low. With the gradual smooth growth as it BitCoin had everything. Because if at once the price jumps up to high levels - we will see an example as AuroraCoin rose and then fell in price on so many that now became nobody the necessary coin.

The presumable price of one coin of Nem on start I consider fair at the level of 50 Satoshi. It somewhere each share (1000000 coins) will cost about 300 USD. And here the first auction will begin with this mark at the exchanges where there will be in the beginning auction on Nem.

Why it is necessary that there was initially low price of a coin? That, thanks to skillful marketing and a huge number of the people supporting a coin, it started going up in price from the bottoms. Usually, I often see in other coins of charge. Charges go that the high price of a coin and all cryptocommunity is initially exposed at once starts speaking: Here clever men, took at once put the high price. So it isn't fair! And if in details over it it isn't fair to think, it is possible to understand why it isn't fair. Because when the coin starts bargaining with the bottoms, and lower than a price any more won't be, here even the child the school student starts understanding that it is necessary to buy it. Thus through the low price everyone the chance to buy a perspective coin in the future which compare to Tesla Motors will drop out.

Should be much higher than this.

Than there will be above an initial price Nem subjects smaller those who it will want to buy will earn on it. Growth limit to all of us is known, any coin isn't capable to jump today over such coins as LiteCoin and BitCoin. Therefore the initial price is higher, the less on a coin will be growth proceeding from an ultimate goal of Nem on capitalization in 40000 - 60000 BTC.

[MrPortMan]

T. e. ecли мы являeмcя peaлиcтaми, a нe витaeм гдe-тo тaм в oблaкax, мы дoлжны пoнимaть o тoм, чтo ecть кoнeчнaя цeль y любoгo pocтa. И цeль этa, кaк я yжe oгoвopил вышe, являeтcя ypoвeнь 40000 - 60000 BTC. Этo ceдьмaя или вocьмaя cтpoчкa пo кaпитaлизaции.

Taк вoт, чeм вышe изнaчaльнoe бyдeт знaчeниe нa пepвыx тopгax, тeм мeньшe нa этoм cмoгyт зapaбoтaть тe, ктo бyдyт мoнeтy пoкyпaть.

Ecли иcxoдить oт нaчaльнoй цeны в 0.00000050 BTC, и плaвнo двигaтьcя к 0.00001 BTC - 0.000015 BTC, тoт, ктo пoкyпaeт мoнeтy, пoлyчит x20 - x30 yмнoжeниe cвoeгo влoжeннoгo. B oбщeм кoнeчнaя цeль Nem бyдeт кaк paз вoт тaкaя цeнa зa oднy мoнeтy : 0.00001 BTC - 0.000015 BTC. Этo ceдьмoe или вocьмoe мecтo в peйтингe кaпитaлизaции кpиптo мoнeт.

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I.e. if we are realists, instead of we go woolgathering somewhere there, we have to understand that there is an ultimate goal at any growth. And this purpose as I already stipulated above, is level 40000 - 60000 BTC. It is the seventh or eighth line on capitalization.

And so, the initial value at the first auction will be higher, the less on it those who a coin will buy will be able to earn.

If to proceed from the initial price in 0.00000050 BTC, and smoothly to move to 0.00001 BTC - 0.000015 BTC, the one who buys a coin, will receive x20 - x30 multiplication enclosed. Generally the ultimate goal of Nem will be just here such price for one coin: 0.00001 BTC - 0.000015 BTC. This seventh or eighth place in a rating of capitalization of crypto coins.

[MrPortMan]

c 30 мecтa Nem дoлжeн бyдeт пepeпpыгнyть 22 или 23 пoзиции и выpacти дo 7 или 8 мecтa. Изнaчaльнo oн бyдeт нa 30 мecтe ecли вы yмныe и тopги нaчнётe c тex ypoвнeй oткyдa я вaм cкaзaл, этo нaчaльнaя цeнa мoнeты в 0.0000005 BTC.

Mнoгиe кoнeчнo нe xoтят изнaчaльнo пpoдaвaть зa тaкyю низкyю cтoимocть cвoи мoнeты, нo я жe нe пpизывaю пpoдaвaть вcю cвoю дoлю и cpaзy. Кopмитe pынoк ввepx. Пpoдaвaйтe пo чyть-чyть cнизy ввepx paccтaвляя cвoи opдepa кoгдa нaчнyтcя пepвыe тopги.

Booбщe, кaк инcтpyкцию к дeйcтвия я пpeдлaгaю cдeлaть cлeдyющee :

Кoгдa нaчнyтcя тopги нa пepвыx биpжax, нyжнo цeнy cтaвить cpaзy 0.0000005 BTC и мизepнoe кoличecтвo мoнeт в этoм opдepe. Haпpимep 10000 Nem, т. e. вcнгo лишь 1% oт вaшeй дoли вы cкapмливaeтe pынкy, чтoбы oн шёл в pocт. И вoт кoгдa вы пocтaвитe cвoй пepвый opдep, нaчинaя c цeны 0.0000005 BTC, ктo-тo cвepxy пocтaвит yжe 0.00000055 BTC. И тaким oбpaзoм pынoк c caмыx низoв нaчнёт пoднимaтьcя и пpи этoм вaм нe пpидётcя пpoдaвaть 100% cpaзy oт cвoиx дoлeй.

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from the 30th place of Nem will have to jump over 22 or 23 positions and grow to 7 or the 8th places. Initially it will be on the 30th place if you clever and you will begin the auction with those levels from where I to you told, it is the initial price of a coin in 0.0000005 BTC.

Many certainly don't want to sell initially for such low cost the coins, but I don't urge to sell all the share and at once. You feed the market up. Sell on slightly from below up placing the warrants when the first auction will begin.

In general, as the instruction to action I suggest to make the following:

When the auction at the first exchanges will begin, it is necessary to put the price at once 0.0000005 BTC and scanty quantity of coins in this warrant. For example 10000 Nem, i.e. вcнгo you feed only 1% of your share to the market that it went to growth. And here when you will put the first warrant, since the price 0.0000005 BTC, someone from above will put already 0.00000055 BTC. And thus the market from the bottoms will start rising and thus you shouldn't sell 100% at once from the shares.

[supporter]

Hi,

I started to read posts as I was interested in this project but recently I have a feeling that you guys started doing lot of noise without actually doing any progress. Additionally behind this idea of having 'fair distribution' you are trying to get a lot of money. Let me explain my concerns:

1. You started this project with idea of distribute it via individual small payment/donations share it proportionally which was fair in my opinion. Now checking investors list - you have approx 2800 users which gave you ~350 NXT in average which is more or less 1 million NXT (or ~70 BC)
2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs
3. Now you introduced additional stake distribution of 1 billion NEMs via NXT AE. Lets assume an average price will be 0.01 NXT for 1 NEMs (not highest price on AE now) so you will get additional 10 million NXT (700 BTC)

Aren't you too greedy for almost copy-paste coin? What is the progress in development except more and more ideas of 'distribution'? If you believe in NEM project why are you selling NEMs before launch for BTC and NXT?

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supporter

[gniggs]

3. Now you introduced additional stake distribution of 1 billion NEMs via NXT AE. Lets assume an average price will be 0.01 NXT for 1 NEMs (not highest price on AE now) so you will get additional 10 million NXT (700 BTC)

Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.

[Chris001]

Hi,

I started to read posts as I was interested in this project but recently I have a feeling that you guys started doing lot of noise without actually doing any progress. Additionally behind this idea of having 'fair distribution' you are trying to get a lot of money. Let me explain my concerns:

1. You started this project with idea of distribute it via individual small payment/donations share it proportionally which was fair in my opinion. Now checking investors list - you have approx 2800 users which gave you ~350 NXT in average which is more or less 1 million NXT (or ~70 BC)
2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs
3. Now you introduced additional stake distribution of 1 billion NEMs via NXT AE. Lets assume an average price will be 0.01 NXT for 1 NEMs (not highest price on AE now) so you will get additional 10 million NXT (700 BTC)

Aren't you too greedy for almost copy-paste coin? What is the progress in development except more and more ideas of 'distribution'? If you believe in NEM project why are you selling NEMs before launch for BTC and NXT?

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supporter

Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

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Fellow NEM supporter

[crimi]

2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

[jluhxd]

2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

theres close to 35 people working on nem that will part of  it. plus some will go to marketing tech fund ect.. i think.... so really its not that bad and.. they do deserve it...

+1, Totally agree!

[supporter]

Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.

my fault - I did not understand enough

Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

I find it difficult to really follow this chaos - several threads, updates in the middle of 400 pages thread, homepage empty with links to BCT thread again... Someone said 35 people working on this? Who is responsible for marketing/informational side?

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

agree - why to take additional 10% of NEMs if you already collected 1 mil NXT? Maybe you should refund NXT/BTC after launch and divide this 10% into developers?

Also who will answer the question - what is the real progress? 35 devs - give us an answer please. Or maybe you just wait for NXT success and all bugs fixed to copy it?

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supporter

[mrvegad]

Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.

my fault - I did not understand enough

Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

I find it difficult to really follow this chaos - several threads, updates in the middle of 400 pages thread, homepage empty with links to BCT thread again... Someone said 35 people working on this? Who is responsible for marketing/informational side?

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

agree - why to take additional 10% of NEMs if you already collected 1 mil NXT? Maybe you should refund NXT/BTC after launch and divide this 10% into developers?

Also who will answer the question - what is the real progress? 35 devs - give us an answer please. Or maybe you just wait for NXT success and all bugs fixed to copy it?

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supporter

NEM is 100% new code, it has nothing to do with NXT and there isn't 35 dev, 35 might be helping out but they are not all developers

[utopianfuture]

2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

The point of NEM is blockchain innovation and an incentive compatible system. "Fair" means people who work hardest and contribute the most should get the biggest share. NOW  it is laughable that you compare a distribution in which 40% of the supply going to a random 8 people and one in which 6-8 developers who do almost everything share 15% of the shares.

Since you are an stakeholder, I would like to request you to ask for a refund if you feel so "surprised" and "unfair" about the distribution scheme. No one needs to be involved if he does not want to.

[utopianfuture]

Its not an additional distribution. Original stakeholder just get a token on the AE (if they want to) which represents their NEM stake. So they can already trade their NEM, although they have no real NEM yet. DEV-team earns nothing with this.

my fault - I did not understand enough

Why do you put so much effort into a post, but at the same time, fail to research any of the "facts"? By simply reading the info that has been provided, you would find your post makes MANY assumptions that are false. I would usually go into explaining which parts of a post are incorrect, however in this case i can just sum it up by saying your post is largely untrue.

Just thought it would be good to let you know this. Take another closer look, I think you will find the true facts surrounding NEM are very positive.

You stated above that you, "started to read posts". Again, my advice is continue reading them and get back to us and let us know what you think at that point.

I find it difficult to really follow this chaos - several threads, updates in the middle of 400 pages thread, homepage empty with links to BCT thread again... Someone said 35 people working on this? Who is responsible for marketing/informational side?

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

agree - why to take additional 10% of NEMs if you already collected 1 mil NXT? Maybe you should refund NXT/BTC after launch and divide this 10% into developers?

Also who will answer the question - what is the real progress? 35 devs - give us an answer please. Or maybe you just wait for NXT success and all bugs fixed to copy it?

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supporter

It has been said before. No one needs to be involved. Refund are readily available for current stakeholders. So in what perspective are you complaining when you do nothing ?

[jenea4pda]

2. You stated that you as developers will get 10 % of NEMs. 400 million NEMs

Wow that would be a large amount 10%. That is not better distribution than Nxt....... That makes no sence you collected Nxt from us, all NEM should be devided equally to all shareholders. How can we be not sure you playing pump and dump in the beginning with the 400 mio. I thought as well the point of Nem is additionally 'fair distribution'.

The point of NEM is blockchain innovation and an incentive compatible system. "Fair" means people who work hardest and contribute the most should get the biggest share. NOW  it is laughable that you compare a distribution in which 40% of the supply going to a random 8 people and one in which 6-8 developers who do almost everything share 15% of the shares.

Since you are an stakeholder, I would like to request you to ask for a refund if you feel so "surprised" and "unfair" about the distribution scheme. No one needs to be involved if he does not want to.

Or just go to the esset exchange and sell his stake,for example. We are really need only trusted community around the NEM!

[jenea4pda]

Lol, the bidder NXT-ZWW7-PSXW-89TR-AA67Z has over 9m NXT which is worth > 700BTC o.O

this user is Jason (jf777) and he is a shark 

I'm a little worring about such people... How do You think, UP, if people like this could harm our coins(I mean price{dump,pump}) and community(somebody, not our trusted DEVS, will hold 40-50 stakes before launch of coins)

Best wishes for Our Community!

[bitcoinpaul]

jason lol

[Parana]

I have a question:

The total coins will be 4 billion.

But whith or whithout forging?

Thanks