[ANN] Ethereum: Welcome to the Beginning

[roselee]

Welcome to ethereum, where what the majority of the 'community' says is more important than the code.

democracy ?

[antiscam2000]

Welcome to ethereum, where what the majority of the 'community' says is more important than the code.

democracy ?

lol, now let's all vote to redistribute funds of the largest 10 holders on the richlist to the rest of us  
I think we can get a majority going for that.

Welcome to the communist Dunning-Kruger-coin because "democrataaay" 

[Mrpumperitis]

https://blog.ethcore.io/the-dos-vector-and-the-soft-fork-for-miners/

[Mrpumperitis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qjfaa/andreas_antonopoulos_i_think_were_gonna_see_a/
Andreas Antonopoulos: "I think we're gonna see a Hard Fork before July 15th"

[Brewins]

I have changed the title in advance of the hard fork, if there is a hard fork.

[roselee]

Welcome to ethereum, where what the majority of the 'community' says is more important than the code.

democracy ?

lol, now let's all vote to redistribute funds of the largest 10 holders on the richlist to the rest of us  
I think we can get a majority going for that.

Welcome to the communist Dunning-Kruger-coin because "democrataaay" 

  o boy  that was good   
dont worry they are just finding out that they cant do anything about the dao
and thats a good thing for the ether

[BTCdoaA]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qjfaa/andreas_antonopoulos_i_think_were_gonna_see_a/
Andreas Antonopoulos: "I think we're gonna see a Hard Fork before July 15th"

I hope hard fork will solve the problem and stop DDSAtt forever . soft fork was a joke

[6436346346]

https://blog.ethcore.io/the-dos-vector-and-the-soft-fork-for-miners/

LOL, what a fucking train wreck


Cant wait to see how they fuck up the hardfork, gonna be epic 

[Mrpumperitis]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4qjfaa/andreas_antonopoulos_i_think_were_gonna_see_a/
Andreas Antonopoulos: "I think we're gonna see a Hard Fork before July 15th"

I hope hard fork will solve the problem and stop DDSAtt forever . soft fork was a joke

yea
Andreas nails it at 59min

[revelacaogr]

forget the forks

lets put a HARD KNIFE  at the belly of THE DAO   to finish it ones and for all...haha

[AlgoSwan]

Not a good news for hard fork supporters:
Ethereum protocol developer holds $114,877 worth of DAO tokens
(most probably he is Gavin, I hope he is not)

http://aakilfernandes.github.io/ethereum-protocol-developer-holds-114877-dollars-worth-of-dao-tokens

[digi123]

Just to reiterate


Theft is theft. Forget blockchain ideologies.



If the theft of etherium/dao is allowed to go ahead, then should etherium be worth anything?
It would accept stealing as ok and the norm, and be seen to reward such behavior.
A thief should be brought to justice not rewarded. It was an accepted part of the dao that funds wouldn't be released accept for consensus of the dao, not consensus of anyone else. If someone hacked any institution because its security was lax, it would be theft just the same, and the same goes for anything else. There is no such thing as a fair flaw.

This is a theft that can be stopped, so if developers can stop it but choose not to, or don't use anything in their power to stop it, it can be seen as effectively aiding in the theft.

Forget blockchain ideologies they will be meaningless. Everyone take very careful analysis of what is occurring there can be consequences if the theft is allowed to continue.

And consider the effect of a thief holding such a large percentage of ether equals etherium can't be trusted in the future, as it gives power, and may if possible be used to take down the system at anytime in the future with no recourse.



Those that have unfavorably commented on my previous post have shown that they have their head so far up a computer that they have forgotten they live in the real world.
They are also making misleading assumptions about me which shows the state of logic that evolves from them.

Also to consider anyone found to be helping a theft could also be brought to justice.

There may also be ramifications to this that are hard to see at the moment that may have wider implications.

This could be over with a simple fork or whatever is needed.
You do not need to re-compute history, this is a fundamentally difference in the way etherium works, as has been stated in LBT live (thanks Mrpumperitis for link). This also doesn't need to be a president as its so early in etherums development.

[cjmoles]

Are we going to have to build our clients all over again?  I mean, reinstall, resync, and the whole nine yards?  I mean, what should I be doing now to make this whole hardfork thing easier to manage....I really do not enjoy re-synchronizing entire blockchains....this ain't gonna be fun is it?

[_Victory_]

Just to reiterate


Theft is theft. Forget blockchain ideologies.



If the theft of etherium/dao is allowed to go ahead, then should etherium be worth anything?
It would accept stealing as ok and the norm, and be seen to reward such behavior.
A thief should be brought to justice not rewarded. It was an accepted part of the dao that funds wouldn't be released accept for consensus of the dao, not consensus of anyone else. If someone hacked any institution because its security was lax, it would be theft just the same, and the same goes for anything else. There is no such thing as a fair flaw.

This is a theft that can be stopped, so if developers can stop it but choose not to, or don't use anything in their power to stop it, it can be seen as effectively aiding in the theft.

Forget blockchain ideologies they will be meaningless. Everyone take very careful analysis of what is occurring there can be consequences if the theft is allowed to continue.

And consider the effect of a thief holding such a large percentage of ether equals etherium can't be trusted in the future, as it gives power, and may if possible be used to take down the system at anytime in the future with no recourse.



Those that have unfavorably commented on my previous post have shown that they have their head so far up a computer that they have forgotten they live in the real world.
They are also making misleading assumptions about me which shows the state of logic that evolves from them.

Also to consider anyone found to be helping a theft could also be brought to justice.

There may also be ramifications to this that are hard to see at the moment that may have wider implications.

This could be over with a simple fork or whatever is needed.
You do not need to re-compute history, this is a fundamentally difference in the way etherium works, as has been stated in LBT live (thanks Mrpumperitis for link). This also doesn't need to be a president as its so early in etherums development.

I agree with you that if the thief is allowed to steal the funds, then ethereum will have no future.
It will set a precedent that will undermine the entire network. Anyone arguing in favour of the dao token holders losing their funds on this forum are just people that want ethereum to fail. There are plenty of people like that here.

[antiscam2000]

Just to reiterate


Theft is theft. Forget blockchain ideologies.



If the theft of etherium/dao is allowed to go ahead, then should etherium be worth anything?
It would accept stealing as ok and the norm, and be seen to reward such behavior.
A thief should be brought to justice not rewarded. It was an accepted part of the dao that funds wouldn't be released accept for consensus of the dao, not consensus of anyone else. If someone hacked any institution because its security was lax, it would be theft just the same, and the same goes for anything else. There is no such thing as a fair flaw.

This is a theft that can be stopped, so if developers can stop it but choose not to, or don't use anything in their power to stop it, it can be seen as effectively aiding in the theft.

Forget blockchain ideologies they will be meaningless. Everyone take very careful analysis of what is occurring there can be consequences if the theft is allowed to continue.

And consider the effect of a thief holding such a large percentage of ether equals etherium can't be trusted in the future, as it gives power, and may if possible be used to take down the system at anytime in the future with no recourse.



Those that have unfavorably commented on my previous post have shown that they have their head so far up a computer that they have forgotten they live in the real world.
They are also making misleading assumptions about me which shows the state of logic that evolves from them.

Also to consider anyone found to be helping a theft could also be brought to justice.

There may also be ramifications to this that are hard to see at the moment that may have wider implications.

This could be over with a simple fork or whatever is needed.
You do not need to re-compute history, this is a fundamentally difference in the way etherium works, as has been stated in LBT live (thanks Mrpumperitis for link). This also doesn't need to be a president as its so early in etherums development.

Right, who needs secure code when you just can sue everyone? That'll teach them!  

Secure code is overrated. Mob rule and some sueing will do just fine.

[jesuslovesyou]

-devs invested in own crap code creating conflict of interest
-create 'too big to fail' by accident because of hype and greed
-get bug-exploited (ignored experts raising red flags)
-consider splitting the network, introduce blacklisting, erase immutability-promise and threaten to sue everyone who opposes it
-market sends it into the abyss

-the end-

[cesmak]

Hi to all, i made a bot (in beta now) to manage lending orders on poloniex for ETH if someone interested in trying it : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1531889.0

[Ekanenf]

Just to reiterate


Theft is theft. Forget blockchain ideologies.



If the theft of etherium/dao is allowed to go ahead, then should etherium be worth anything?
It would accept stealing as ok and the norm, and be seen to reward such behavior.
A thief should be brought to justice not rewarded. It was an accepted part of the dao that funds wouldn't be released accept for consensus of the dao, not consensus of anyone else. If someone hacked any institution because its security was lax, it would be theft just the same, and the same goes for anything else. There is no such thing as a fair flaw.

This is a theft that can be stopped, so if developers can stop it but choose not to, or don't use anything in their power to stop it, it can be seen as effectively aiding in the theft.

Forget blockchain ideologies they will be meaningless. Everyone take very careful analysis of what is occurring there can be consequences if the theft is allowed to continue.

And consider the effect of a thief holding such a large percentage of ether equals etherium can't be trusted in the future, as it gives power, and may if possible be used to take down the system at anytime in the future with no recourse.



Those that have unfavorably commented on my previous post have shown that they have their head so far up a computer that they have forgotten they live in the real world.
They are also making misleading assumptions about me which shows the state of logic that evolves from them.

Also to consider anyone found to be helping a theft could also be brought to justice.

There may also be ramifications to this that are hard to see at the moment that may have wider implications.

This could be over with a simple fork or whatever is needed.
You do not need to re-compute history, this is a fundamentally difference in the way etherium works, as has been stated in LBT live (thanks Mrpumperitis for link). This also doesn't need to be a president as its so early in etherums development.

There is no need to argue it is a theft. I think it is and will make sure the thief will not get the stolen funds using my mining power.

[airtoken]

Downvoting of important and relevant info is strong in the eth-reddit, i must say.

Yes, eth reddit works like this:
-click topic
-read op
-scroll all the way down to find the comments voted into oblivon
-read them
-close the tab

All interesting info downvoted. Only moontalk and pro-fork allowed.

[roselee]

question:
if the hf happens and all ether are transfered to the original holders
what happens to the dao tokens that are now traded on exchanges ?
how will that be managed ?
i know the dao is history with the hf
am i right ?