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Books- You are free to enter the thread with comments on your book such as limits, offerings, deposit time or any other information that you would like to share. In fact, it would be great if you did so since this is a comprehensive thread.
It would be appreciated if you stayed away from discrediting another book in this thread here. Book vs. book war is just clutter. The players can discredit the books when problems occur.
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April 08, 2014, 07:27:02 AM |
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The new criteria look promising.
"1. A heavy emphasis will be placed on speed of payments. Several books immediately pay out after the game has been graded. Those are the books with the least risk involved. Sweat the game, not the payout is not just a slogan. It should be a way of life for these bitcoin books. Bitcoin books have a much higher standard involved than post-up books because there are no fees involved and no need for a third party processor."
Based on this, I'd suggest that Anonibet be lower than A.
"We process all withdrawal requests manually in order to provide a safe and secure environment to our customers. Withdrawal requests between 08:00 – 22:00 GMT may take 1-2 hours to be processed. Withdrawal request made after 22:00 GMT will be processed the next day after 08:00 GMT..."
"We process all withdrawal requests manually in order to provide a safe and secure environment to our customers."
I'm unclear why this is more safe and secure than the automated systems. I feel it relates instead to not having the software to do automated payments. And the down time from 22:00 GMT to 8:00 GMT shows a lack of staffing.
Also - "After I made a deposit, can I withdraw my funds without placing any bets?
Clients are required to wager the whole amount that was deposited, before any withdrawal request. If you want to withdraw funds without making a wager a 5% handling fee is charged."
I like to deposit an amount I feel is about what I'll need, but sometimes the line I want is gone. Or I find other aspects of the book I don't like that I wasn't aware of previously. Sometimes I deposit more than I'll need because there's a chance I'll be making several bets and I want to save time later if the funds are needed.
It costs the book nothing to return the funds. Zero. There should never be a "handling fee" with bitcoin books.
Also, if this non-standard rule exists, it shouldn't just be buried in the T&C - it should be prominently displayed, at the least on the "Deposit" page.
It does get a little tricky with Anonibet. They can't be directly compared to the other books. They have the highest limit for withdrawals at 500 BTC. Leaving that amount of money in a hot wallet is dangerous for both book and player. The maximum withdrawal amount has to be taken into consideration along with the amount of clients. Anonibet far exceeds the other books. Perhaps they could specify an amount for instant withdraws that could be much smaller than 500 BTC, but still more than probably the majority of their clients have on deposit. And for the larger amounts (X amount) post that "Withdrawal requests of more than X BTC between 08:00 – 22:00 GMT may take 1-2 hours to be processed. Withdrawal requests of X BTC made after 22:00 GMT will be processed the next day after 08:00 GMT.."
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April 08, 2014, 11:38:09 AM |
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The new criteria look promising.
"1. A heavy emphasis will be placed on speed of payments. Several books immediately pay out after the game has been graded. Those are the books with the least risk involved. Sweat the game, not the payout is not just a slogan. It should be a way of life for these bitcoin books. Bitcoin books have a much higher standard involved than post-up books because there are no fees involved and no need for a third party processor."
Based on this, I'd suggest that Anonibet be lower than A.
"We process all withdrawal requests manually in order to provide a safe and secure environment to our customers. Withdrawal requests between 08:00 – 22:00 GMT may take 1-2 hours to be processed. Withdrawal request made after 22:00 GMT will be processed the next day after 08:00 GMT..."
"We process all withdrawal requests manually in order to provide a safe and secure environment to our customers."
I'm unclear why this is more safe and secure than the automated systems. I feel it relates instead to not having the software to do automated payments. And the down time from 22:00 GMT to 8:00 GMT shows a lack of staffing.
Also - "After I made a deposit, can I withdraw my funds without placing any bets?
Clients are required to wager the whole amount that was deposited, before any withdrawal request. If you want to withdraw funds without making a wager a 5% handling fee is charged."
I like to deposit an amount I feel is about what I'll need, but sometimes the line I want is gone. Or I find other aspects of the book I don't like that I wasn't aware of previously. Sometimes I deposit more than I'll need because there's a chance I'll be making several bets and I want to save time later if the funds are needed.
It costs the book nothing to return the funds. Zero. There should never be a "handling fee" with bitcoin books.
Also, if this non-standard rule exists, it shouldn't just be buried in the T&C - it should be prominently displayed, at the least on the "Deposit" page.
It does get a little tricky with Anonibet. They can't be directly compared to the other books. They have the highest limit for withdrawals at 500 BTC. Leaving that amount of money in a hot wallet is dangerous for both book and player. The maximum withdrawal amount has to be taken into consideration along with the amount of clients. Anonibet far exceeds the other books. Perhaps they could specify an amount for instant withdraws that could be much smaller than 500 BTC, but still more than probably the majority of their clients have on deposit. And for the larger amounts (X amount) post that "Withdrawal requests of more than X BTC between 08:00 – 22:00 GMT may take 1-2 hours to be processed. Withdrawal requests of X BTC made after 22:00 GMT will be processed the next day after 08:00 GMT.." Hi, As we have stated in previous posts, Anonibet will carry on to process all withdraws manually. We will not process withdraws automatically for marketing purposes. Anonibet does not apply any handling fee to withdraws. We have a %5 handling fee stated in our T&C, for people depositing their BTC to Anonibet and not playing a single bet. We have this policy in order to stop people to use Anonibet as a safe box. So far we have not applied this %5 to anyone, we have just warned them to withdraw their BTC if they did not want to place bets. We operate from 8:00 to 22:00 GMT, this should not be interpreted as a lacking of staff. Our customer service does not operate at nights, only our Bookmakers and IT staff have night shifts. I am impressed that someone has analysed so closely Anonibet, I am expecting them to do the same job for other Bitcoin bookmakers and post here their critics. That sounds a bit biased to write down a long post about Anonibet and ask for a down grade. I would like to know which bookie they would like to up grade, and check in few months about these bookies. Regards, Michael
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April 09, 2014, 08:44:38 AM |
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Hi Peeps Place, Can you please explain why we are rated B ? According to your criteria, we are as good or better than the Bitcoin sportbooks that you rated A. I'll prove it one by one : 1. A heavy emphasis will be placed on speed of payments.
We settle all bets within minutes of the event completion and if possible even while the event is still in progress. In fact, we offer a 1 hour settlement guarantee, so if your bet is not settled within an hour, you get a free 0.02 BTC bet. Try placing the same bets on various different sportbooks, then average the settlement time and you will see that we are on top of the list. 2. Grading time.
See # 1. 3. Books not requiring personal information including an email address will be graded higher. Anonymity is a plus.
We offer complete anonymous betting. Providing an e-mail address is optional. 4. Date opened if less than 2 years.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, it doesn't matter how long the book is in business. All that matters is what practices they are taking to protect users funds. I've explained it in more details here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg5985065#msg5985065We are the safest Bitcoin sportsbook for the simple reason that we do not take deposits and keep hold of your valuable Bitcoins, except during the lifetime of the bet and only the amount that you elected to bet. This period of time is kept to the minimum thanks to the fact that we settle all bets within an hour. Your Bitcoins are kept safe in your wallet under your control at all other times. We are different than other Bitcoin sportbooks, who take deposits and keep hold of your Bitcoins for no good reason. By doing so, your Bitcoins are left vulnerable to theft or loss, and there is always the risk that the sportsbook will disappear, taking your Bitcoins along the way, or spend them on their operational costs, or use them to pay winning players, essentially turning into a Ponzi scheme, or otherwise prevent you from withdrawing for various dishonest reasons, as happened countless of times in the past. In fact, to date, there hasn't been a single Bitcoin sportsbook that we are aware of, which ceased operation gracefylly and honored all withdrawal requests. Currently, none of the other Bitcoin sportbooks take the necessary steps to truly protect deposits in a similar way that Poker Stars is doing in the on-line Poker industry for its Poker players, and therefore your Bitcoins are not safe in any of them. I'm not claiming that we are safe as a bank, but for rating purposes we are safer than all other Bitcoin sportbooks. 5. Limits. In general, the higher the limits, the deeper the bankroll of the sportsbook. If a bitcoin book takes high limits and pays out quickly, it shows its strength.
We offer higher limits than the Bitcoin sportbooks that you rated A. You can net profit up to 7.75 BTC from each bet, so for example, if the bet odds is 1.5 decimal, you can bet up to 15.5 BTC while other Bitcoin sportbooks typically limit it to 1-2 BTC max. Furthermore, unlike other sportbooks, we never limit winning players. 6. Sports and options offered. Uniqueness of lines and betting options is a positive.
We offer comprehensive sports betting coverage, 17 different sports to bet on including unique betting such as on Horse Racing 24/7 from around the globe and Eurovision 2014. From time to time we offer special bets, for example we accepted bets on The Oscars 2014 even during the ceremony and up until the announcement time. 7. Mobile betting. The ability to bet on the go can be important to some.
You can bet from mobile devices. We thoroughly tested that our website is compatible with them. 8. Live betting. The more, the better. Offering live betting isn't easy; the ones that do offer live betting lines tend to be stronger in general.
We offer comprehensive live coverage. That's our specialty. You can bet continuously while watching the game. Unlike others, we do not limit live betting to just break times. One of the Bitcoin sportsbook that you rated A doesn't even offer live betting. 9. Customer service. The better the customer service, the more professional the book.
We respond to customers enquiries quickly and in a professional manner. There hasn't been any complaint on our customer service to date. Our thread here can be served as a proof : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.010. Interface. Ease of use is important.
That's a matter of taste but we believe our website is very quick, simple and easy to use. 11. Whether or not the book requires a deposit account. Depositing into a bitcoin book is a much bigger risk to the bettor, especially since these books have not built up a strong history that shows their staying ability.
We do not take deposits as mentioned above.
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April 09, 2014, 09:06:42 AM Last edit: April 09, 2014, 09:35:09 AM by Peeps Place |
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Hi Peeps Place, Can you please explain why we are rated B ? According to your criteria, we are as good or better than the Bitcoin sportbooks that you rated A. I'll prove it one by one : 1. A heavy emphasis will be placed on speed of payments.
We settle all bets within minutes of the event completion and if possible even while the event is still in progress. In fact, we offer a 1 hour settlement guarantee, so if your bet is not settled within an hour, you get a free 0.02 BTC bet. Try placing the same bets on various different sportbooks, then average the settlement time and you will see that we are on top of the list. 2. Grading time.
See # 1. 3. Books not requiring personal information including an email address will be graded higher. Anonymity is a plus.
We offer complete anonymous betting. Providing an e-mail address is optional. 4. Date opened if less than 2 years.
As I mentioned in an earlier post, it doesn't matter how long the book is in business. All that matters is what practices they are taking to protect users funds. I've explained it in more details here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg5985065#msg5985065We are the safest Bitcoin sportsbook for the simple reason that we do not take deposits and keep hold of your valuable Bitcoins, except during the lifetime of the bet and only the amount that you elected to bet. This period of time is kept to the minimum thanks to the fact that we settle all bets within an hour. Your Bitcoins are kept safe in your wallet under your control at all other times. We are different than other Bitcoin sportbooks, who take deposits and keep hold of your Bitcoins for no good reason. By doing so, your Bitcoins are left vulnerable to theft or loss, and there is always the risk that the sportsbook will disappear, taking your Bitcoins along the way, or spend them on their operational costs, or use them to pay winning players, essentially turning into a Ponzi scheme, or otherwise prevent you from withdrawing for various dishonest reasons, as happened countless of times in the past. In fact, to date, there hasn't been a single Bitcoin sportsbook that we are aware of, which ceased operation gracefylly and honored all withdrawal requests. Currently, none of the other Bitcoin sportbooks take the necessary steps to truly protect deposits in a similar way that Poker Stars is doing in the on-line Poker industry for its Poker players, and therefore your Bitcoins are not safe in any of them. I'm not claiming that we are safe as a bank, but for rating purposes we are safer than all other Bitcoin sportbooks. 5. Limits. In general, the higher the limits, the deeper the bankroll of the sportsbook. If a bitcoin book takes high limits and pays out quickly, it shows its strength.
We offer higher limits than the Bitcoin sportbooks that you rated A. You can net profit up to 7.75 BTC from each bet, so for example, if the bet odds is 1.5 decimal, you can bet up to 15.5 BTC while other Bitcoin sportbooks typically limit it to 1-2 BTC max. Furthermore, unlike other sportbooks, we never limit winning players. 6. Sports and options offered. Uniqueness of lines and betting options is a positive.
We offer comprehensive sports betting coverage, 17 different sports to bet on including unique betting such as on Horse Racing 24/7 from around the globe and Eurovision 2014. From time to time we offer special bets, for example we accepted bets on The Oscars 2014 even during the ceremony and up until the announcement time. 7. Mobile betting. The ability to bet on the go can be important to some.
You can bet from mobile devices. We thoroughly tested that our website is compatible with them. 8. Live betting. The more, the better. Offering live betting isn't easy; the ones that do offer live betting lines tend to be stronger in general.
We offer comprehensive live coverage. That's our specialty. You can bet continuously while watching the game. Unlike others, we do not limit live betting to just break times. One of the Bitcoin sportsbook that you rated A doesn't even offer live betting. 9. Customer service. The better the customer service, the more professional the book.
We respond to customers enquiries quickly and in a professional manner. There hasn't been any complaint on our customer service to date. Our thread here can be served as a proof : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.010. Interface. Ease of use is important.
That's a matter of taste but we believe our website is very quick, simple and easy to use. 11. Whether or not the book requires a deposit account. Depositing into a bitcoin book is a much bigger risk to the bettor, especially since these books have not built up a strong history that shows their staying ability.
We do not take deposits as mentioned above. There are a lot of good things about DirectBet. I think your biggest advantage is keeping live lines up at all times, not just during commercial breaks. I think that your biggest downfall is that your odds aren't competitive compared to other books. I'm talking full game just prior to the game starting. Also, your advantage of keeping live lines up at all times diminishes with a huge hold. This includes the 1% affiliate reduction. At a site such as Peepsplace where posters are familiar with each other, the 1% is just a buddy bonus. I give you 1%, you give me 1%. If your book has a hold of 8% the reduction does make it 7% with a buddy bonus or legitimate affiliate arrangement. That is considered. It's going to take a little bit longer to get the new ratings up for the books. I can address all your points at that time since comparisons can be made. Most books will get lower ratings. There have been too many books that have gone under. A common denominator is a small staff. It seems all the one and two man operations go under. Blockbet, Bit365, Stakebet and Bitbook all small operations. The ratings are not an exact science. If all books were opened 3 years with the same amount of clients and volume, then it would be very easy to rate all books. The criteria above would be followed 100%. Since that is far from the case, individual aspects of a book must be considered. If a book is paying 2 hours instead of immediately, it has to be determined why a book is taking longer. Speed of payment is the most important aspect of identical books. As mentioned in a post above, if a book takes a high volume of action, along with a large withdrawal amount, an exception has to be made.
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April 09, 2014, 10:25:32 AM |
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There are a lot of good things about DirectBet. I think your biggest advantage is keeping live lines up at all times, not just during commercial breaks. I think that your biggest downfall is that your odds aren't competitive compared to other books.
I'm new to sports betting (currently in the research phase) and I came to the same conclusion after manually comparing the lines on all these Bitcoin sportsbooks. I love every thing about DirectBet, if only the odds were a little more in line with say Nitrogen then it would be the only sportsbook I'd need.
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April 09, 2014, 10:27:19 AM |
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I think that your biggest downfall is that your odds aren't competitive compared to other books.
1. Our odds, on average, are not lower than the only Bitcoin sportsbook that you rated A. 2. Nowhere in your criteria do you tie higher odds for higher rating, so it's not a factor anyhow. 3. Those who bet frequently on our website get much better odds. When comparing our odds, please note of the following : http://www.directbet.eu/FAQ.cshtml#Odds4. You can't compare apples to oranges. Those who offer higher odds, limit the max bet size to micro stakes, so you can't compare odds that are only available at micro stakes to odds that are available for higher stakes. It's not the same thing.
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April 09, 2014, 12:45:13 PM |
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There are a lot of good things about DirectBet. I think your biggest advantage is keeping live lines up at all times, not just during commercial breaks. I think that your biggest downfall is that your odds aren't competitive compared to other books.
I'm new to sports betting (currently in the research phase) and I came to the same conclusion after manually comparing the lines on all these Bitcoin sportsbooks. I love every thing about DirectBet, if only the odds were a little more in line with say Nitrogen then it would be the only sportsbook I'd need. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FEompjIk.png&t=665&c=XWrdJgWQVfjIQA)
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April 09, 2014, 12:55:06 PM |
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bitcoinlivebets 1.61 2.08 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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April 09, 2014, 01:01:38 PM |
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bitcoinlivebets 1.61 2.08 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Only books rated B- and higher where compared
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April 09, 2014, 01:04:40 PM |
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bitcoinlivebets 1.61 2.08 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Even heavily taxed French operators offer better lines ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif)
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April 09, 2014, 01:41:57 PM Last edit: April 09, 2014, 02:04:39 PM by Gogo ppp |
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DirectBet - "We respond to customers enquiries quickly and in a professional manner."
DirectBet's cs is not immediate, but I do rate it as excellent, and better than almost every other btc book's cs that I have dealt with to date.
Not having to deposit and getting winnings returned within an hour after the event ends is excellent and serves as a revolutionary model for all btc sportsbooks.
"We offer higher limits than the Bitcoin sportbooks that you rated A. You can net profit up to 7.75 BTC from each bet..."
I didn't realize that you have a set limit on all bets of 7.75 btc profit. This is much better than most btc books. I'm surprised you don't have this posted on site, as one of my complaints about all sportsbooks is not having limits displayed and low limits in general for the btc books.
Unfortunately, the lines are often horrible, as others have stated.
Your VIP program does not pay many if not most people who play there, as a minimum amount has to be bet each month to qualify, so I don't see this as a valid excuse for the odds you offer although you mention this every time your poor odds are pointed out.
Offer playable odds and do away with the VIP program.
You also offer only (poor) moneylines and no spreads on many events, at least when you first offer the event, even though most other books are offering both at the time.
Also, things like the following sometimes occur:
Gogo ppp - "Why did your site take down Connecticut and Wisconsin for "NCAA BB 2013/2014" "Outright Winner", and only leave up odds on Florida and Kentucky?
This was done with more than 30 minutes before the start of the Connecticut game, according to your own site."
DirectBet - "Most likely these options were taken down temporarily as we did not have reliable odds."
You also mention sometimes not having "reliable odds" in your FAQ.
It's fairly safe to say that 35 minutes before some of the biggest NCAA Basketball games of the year (the Final Four playoffs) , every sportsbook in the world except yours had prices for all 4 teams for the 2 games. I can't understand how you could not get "reliable odds" in a situation like that.
It also doesn't make sense to me that you could offer a price on one of the 2 teams in both matchups (you were able to come up with "reliable odds"), but not the other team.
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April 09, 2014, 02:02:59 PM |
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bitcoinlivebets 1.61 2.08 ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) Only books rated B- and higher where compared The point is that according to Peeps Place criteria, the odds are not a factor for determining the sportsbook rating. The rating has nothing to do with who offers the best odds.To prove my point, try to compare the odds offered by the sportsbook that received the highest A rating in Peeps Place list, which is the only sportsbook that received that A rating by the way, and you will see that on average, they offer lower odds, yet still they have the highest rating.
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April 09, 2014, 02:13:16 PM |
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, it doesn't matter how long the book is in business. All that matters is what practices they are taking to protect users funds. I've explained it in more details here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg5985065#msg5985065We are the safest Bitcoin sportsbook for the simple reason that we do not take deposits and keep hold of your valuable Bitcoins, except during the lifetime of the bet and only the amount that you elected to bet. This period of time is kept to the minimum thanks to the fact that we settle all bets within an hour. Your Bitcoins are kept safe in your wallet under your control at all other times. We are different than other Bitcoin sportbooks, who take deposits and keep hold of your Bitcoins for no good reason. By doing so, your Bitcoins are left vulnerable to theft or loss, and there is always the risk that the sportsbook will disappear, taking your Bitcoins along the way, or spend them on their operational costs, or use them to pay winning players, essentially turning into a Ponzi scheme, or otherwise prevent you from withdrawing for various dishonest reasons, as happened countless of times in the past. In fact, to date, there hasn't been a single Bitcoin sportsbook that we are aware of, which ceased operation gracefylly and honored all withdrawal requests. Currently, none of the other Bitcoin sportbooks take the necessary steps to truly protect deposits in a similar way that Poker Stars is doing in the on-line Poker industry for its Poker players, and therefore your Bitcoins are not safe in any of them. I'm not claiming that we are safe as a bank, but for rating purposes we are safer than all other Bitcoin sportbooks. You aren’t "safer than all other Bitcoin sportbooks". Bitcoinsports.eu used the same betting solution without depositing, as we all know it was outright scam. User can be sure his money is safe only having them in his wallet. In this connection, the faster after the event has finished I see money in my wallet, the safer is a sportsbook. With your payment speed you can claim the middle place of the BTC sportsbook's list as a maximum. Furthermore, you ignore the simplest safety measures – you haven’t even tried to set up SSL certificate on your website.
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April 09, 2014, 02:21:05 PM |
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5. Limits. In general, the higher the limits, the deeper the bankroll of the sportsbook. If a bitcoin book takes high limits and pays out quickly, it shows its strength.
We offer higher limits than the Bitcoin sportbooks that you rated A. You can net profit up to 7.75 BTC from each bet, so for example, if the bet odds is 1.5 decimal, you can bet up to 15.5 BTC while other Bitcoin sportbooks typically limit it to 1-2 BTC max. Furthermore, unlike other sportbooks, we never limit winning players. With your ridiculous prices your limits are useless. Any normal bettor won’t approach your site. It’s not a big deal to take big bets on the sides which are priced at 1.70/1.70.
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April 09, 2014, 02:23:06 PM |
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10. Interface. Ease of use is important.
That's a matter of taste but we believe our website is very quick, simple and easy to use. Of course, that’s a matter of taste but your designer seems to have a diseased imagination.
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April 09, 2014, 02:29:25 PM |
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Also, things like the following sometimes occur:
Gogo ppp - "Why did your site take down Connecticut and Wisconsin for "NCAA BB 2013/2014" "Outright Winner", and only leave up odds on Florida and Kentucky?
This was done with more than 30 minutes before the start of the Connecticut game, according to your own site."
DirectBet - "Most likely these options were taken down temporarily as we did not have reliable odds."
You also mention sometimes not having "reliable odds" in your FAQ.
It's fairly safe to say that 35 minutes before some of the biggest NCAA Basketball games of the year (the Final Four playoffs) , every sportsbook in the world except yours had prices for all 4 teams for the 2 games. I can't understand how you could not get "reliable odds" in a situation like that.
It also doesn't make sense to me that you could offer a price on one of the 2 teams in both matchups (you were able to come up with "reliable odds"), but not the other team.
Thanks for your feedback. The bet that you are referring to, which was temporarily unavailable, was for the outright winner of the competition - not for the actual game that was about to start. The odds for such future bets are usually less reliable and these special bets are not offered by all sportsbooks. We do offer them when we can.
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April 09, 2014, 03:03:11 PM |
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Also, things like the following sometimes occur:
Gogo ppp - "Why did your site take down Connecticut and Wisconsin for "NCAA BB 2013/2014" "Outright Winner", and only leave up odds on Florida and Kentucky?
This was done with more than 30 minutes before the start of the Connecticut game, according to your own site."
DirectBet - "Most likely these options were taken down temporarily as we did not have reliable odds."
You also mention sometimes not having "reliable odds" in your FAQ.
It's fairly safe to say that 35 minutes before some of the biggest NCAA Basketball games of the year (the Final Four playoffs) , every sportsbook in the world except yours had prices for all 4 teams for the 2 games. I can't understand how you could not get "reliable odds" in a situation like that.
It also doesn't make sense to me that you could offer a price on one of the 2 teams in both matchups (you were able to come up with "reliable odds"), but not the other team.
Thanks for your feedback. The bet that you are referring to, which was temporarily unavailable, was for the outright winner of the competition - not for the actual game that was about to start. The odds for such future bets are usually less reliable and these special bets are not offered by all sportsbooks. We do offer them when we can. "The bet that you are referring to, which was temporarily unavailable, was for the outright winner of the competition - not for the actual game that was about to start." Agree. That is what I was referring to - Odds to win the NCAA BB Championship. Gogo ppp - ""Why did your site take down Connecticut and Wisconsin for "NCAA BB 2013/2014" "Outright Winner"..." Every other book I checked had odds available for all 4 teams to win the NCAA BB Championship. About 35 minutes before the Connecticut game was to begin, you removed the odds for Connecticut to win the Championship but left up the odds for their opponent Florida.
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April 09, 2014, 03:14:44 PM |
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You aren’t "safer than all other Bitcoin sportbooks". Bitcoinsports.eu used the same betting solution without depositing, as we all know it was outright scam.
Bitcoinsports.eu did take deposits - from investors. This was a big red flag as it indicated financial insecurity and the investors were the ones who suffered most of the losses, or those who kept betting despite not receiving their winnings. We on the other hand don't take deposits or investments. We also provide a guarantee that you will receive your winnings within an hour (or else you get a free 0.02 BTC bet !), so you have control of your Bitcoins as much as technically possible. User can be sure his money is safe only having them in his wallet. In this connection, the faster after the event has finished I see money in my wallet, the safer is a sportsbook. With your payment speed you can claim the middle place of the BTC sportsbook's list as a maximum.
We settle bets within minutes of the event completion. Our settlement speed is among the top in the industry. I encourage you to audit us. Try placing the same bets on various different Bitcoin sportbooks, then average the settlement time and you will see that we are as good or better than others. If you do, please post the results. Furthermore, you ignore the simplest safety measures – you haven’t even tried to set up SSL certificate on your website.
Since we do not use the "Account" concept, i.e. you don't need to login to place a bet, there is no need for SSL certificate on our website. SSL certificate protects the data that is exchanged between your web browser and our website. In our case, there is no sensitive data that needs to be protected and no harm can be caused to you due to a lack of SSL certificate.
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April 09, 2014, 03:19:38 PM |
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I just checked your odds vs. Anonibet's odds for today's MLB.
In all cases except 2, for each game one of you was marginally better on one side and the other book was marginally better on the other side.
In one case, Anonibet was marginally better on both sides, and on one game you were tied on one side and they were marginally better on the other side.
However, both books were offering non-competitive odds on at least one side but usually both.
E.g., right now:
Pinnacle: cincinatti 2.31 DirectBet 2.16 AnoniBet 2.15
Pinnacle: ST LOUIS 1.704 DirectBet 1.650 AnoniBet 1.700
I randomly chose the first game in the Pinnacle rotation, but you or anyone else is welcome to post a complete comparison chart of all games (don't want to spend more time on it myself - just want to make clear didn't chose that game to try to show a biased result).
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