#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

[Legions36]

Guys - Please chime in even if it's just a letter so that we can move on. What rating would you give DirectBet using your own criteria?

As of today they would be a C+ at the very most and only because of the feature to withdraw each bet. Doesn't mean I would bet 5k here not even close. I feel they are way to new to have a rating higher than this.

[DirectBet]

The ratings were up BEFORE anyone talked with Anoninbet and Nitrogen.

That's exactly my point ! The ratings were reasonable at first, but then you changed the rules here so that technically, only Anonibet can be rated A, on top of all others.

That was AFTER Anonibet paid you. And then of course you rated them A, isolated on top of the list.

There have been several reports here during the past few days on Anonibet retroactively canceling bets, delaying withdrawals, limiting bet sizes and bet selections and various other negative feedback. Players are saying they will never bet there again, but their rating remains a firm A, on top of all other sportbooks.

You keep saying that the ratings here is "By the players for the players", but when it comes to Anonibet, you keep ignoring all the negative feedback on them, and there wasn't a single post here suggesting they are the best.

For these reasons, we are claiming that this ratings guide has turned into a disguised advertising vehicle for Anonibet.

I can vouch that this whole post from direct bet bet is false claims towards PeepPlace. Myself and others had part in the change of rating system. I have zero affiliation with PeepsPlace and u can check my history at other forums for many years and see how much I have been truthful over the years about books.

Don't you think that Peeps should be placing a disclaimer at the opening post, stating that he is getting paid by Anonibet to promote them in forums, to alert users of a possible conflict of interest ?

[Bismarckbkk]

I would also downgrade anoni , yes theyre the longest in the buisiness but is that the only criteria? If yes then all the books should have the max rating based on their time in buisiness. If there is a  max grade for time in buisiness what is the criteria to determine wether they get the max rating? Anoni certainly doesnt deserve its max rating on any secondary factors I could think of.

Lets assume anoni nitro and cloudbet both had max rating of A. Would anoni come even close to cloudbet and nitro? Even directbet is a whining baby offering terrible odds he has a point with anoni.

[DirectBet]

Gogo, Bismarckbkk, WhatsBitcoin, Legions36 and all :

We take your feedback very seriously, as is evident by our thread here.

We understand your criticism about our odds and will continue to look for ways to improve our service.

If you agree with the ratings here, we certainly respect that.

What we are asking is that Peeps disclose in the opening post which Bitcoin Sportbooks are paying him to promote them in forums.

[Rating Place]

I would also downgrade anoni , yes theyre the longest in the buisiness but is that the only criteria? If yes then all the books should have the max rating based on their time in buisiness. If there is a  max grade for time in buisiness what is the criteria to determine wether they get the max rating? Anoni certainly doesnt deserve its max rating on any secondary factors I could think of.

Lets assume anoni nitro and cloudbet both had max rating of A. Would anoni come even close to cloudbet and nitro? Even directbet is a whining baby offering terrible odds he has a point with anoni.

What rating would you give Anonibet? "A+" is the highest since there are different degrees of "A"s. Longevity is only a concern for books in business less than two years. With top books Bitbook, Blockbet and Bit365 going under, I feel as though handing out an "A" prior to being to a book being in business 2 years is not in the best interest of the posters that may just check in to see a letter grade. An "A" book going under also tarnishes the rating system.

The write ups and feedback are more important for those that read them. More detailed information is given. Let's wait until the World Cup to make upgrades and downgrades of the top books unless they have a problem. The World Cup is the highest betting event by far and will be a good indication of each individual book.




 

[Gogo ppp]

Gogo, Bismarckbkk, WhatsBitcoin, Legions36 and all :

We take your feedback very seriously, as is evident by our thread here.

We understand your criticism about our odds and will continue to look for ways to improve our service.

If you agree with the ratings here, we certainly respect that.

What we are asking is that Peeps disclose in the opening post which Bitcoin Sportbooks are paying him to promote them in forums.

I think the following is more precise and reveals what all including Peeps agree with:

Some books pay for advertising on a website which Peeps is associated with.

[DirectBet]

I think the following is more precise and reveals what all including Peeps agree with:

Some books pay for advertising on a website which Peeps is associated with.

No Gogo, I am specifically talking about books paying Peeps to promote them in forums. I am not talking just about advertising on his website.

Peeps, if you are so certain that your ratings are unbiased then why are you not willing to put a disclosure on the opening post as to which books are paying you ?

Readers here are very smart and will be able to decide for themselves whether this has any influence or not.

[Bismarckbkk]

@ peeps

I agree trust is a huge Issue with bitcoin books.
 
The thing about anoni is that they fall behind far and away the books that would be considered the best when it comes to utility and odds.

My point isnt other books should be A rated, they shoulnt but the question is wether anoni should be A rated?

Maybe they should recieve a Bonus point for trust but do you seriously can point out what else makes them A rated?

I think none of the books should be A rated, there just isnt a book out there that deserves that rating yet. If we go by anoni standards any book in buisiness 2 years from now would be A rated.



p.s.: can you disclose wether anoni does indeed pay you to promote them in this thread or not. I dont think there is any evidence for it but directbet seems convinced and afaik you havent clearly denied it.

[Gogo ppp]

DirectBet - "No Gogo, I am specifically talking about books paying Peeps to promote them in forums. I am not talking just about advertising on his website.

Peeps, if you are so certain that your ratings are unbiased then why are you not willing to put a disclosure on the opening post as to which books are paying you ?"




It appears you want to be asked to tell your story re: your knowledge of Peeps being paid to promote.

Do so - we are all ears...

[Gogo ppp]

@ peeps


p.s.: can you disclose wether anoni does indeed pay you to promote them in this thread or not. I dont think there is any evidence for it but directbet seems convinced and afaik you havent clearly denied it.

Peeps - You've ignored me twice when I point out you never instituted listing whether a book has manual or automatic withdrawals.
 Why?

DirectBet, as you know, says it's because you are paid to promote Anonibet, and since they are manual withdrawals you are avoiding listing the manner of withdrawal for all books.

[Cloudbet]

Hi folks,

Happy Friday to us all!

Just a short note from us here at Cloudbet.

The operators should be the ones under scrutiny here. It's useful - and important - that we operators have a place to exchange feedback with our clients and with the betting community. It's important for us to continue to have objective open dialog with the folks who use our service. It's invaluable. It helps us understand the concerns our clients have, needs and demands they have, and is extremely useful in helping us make improvements to our product and service offering. Negative feedback is most helpful -- it teaches us the most. We must continue to strive to improve the quality of our products and services.

I would implore all operators who post here to allow the betting community to post their comments without confrontation. We - at least us here at Cloudbet - have a lot to learn from them, despite our team having been in the industry for nearly 10 years and in some cases much longer.

We're rated a B, or a C, or something. It doesn't matter what criteria the raters use, we can't influence that. What matters is the feedback we receive, that empowers us to improve the quality and breadth of our service. Please - be harsh, be critical, be brutal even, but be honest and objective.

Here's hoping all of your parlays hit this weekend!

Cheers,
Cloudbet

[Rating Place]

DirectBet doesn't have any idea of what's been talked about with other books.

Let's get back on track. DirectBet:

1. How many years of gambling experience do you have as a bookmaker?
2. How many years of experience do you have gambling?
3.. How many employees do you have at DirectBet?

[Rating Place]

Hi folks,

Happy Friday to us all!

Just a short note from us here at Cloudbet.

The operators should be the ones under scrutiny here. It's useful - and important - that we operators have a place to exchange feedback with our clients and with the betting community. It's important for us to continue to have objective open dialog with the folks who use our service. It's invaluable. It helps us understand the concerns our clients have, needs and demands they have, and is extremely useful in helping us make improvements to our product and service offering. Negative feedback is most helpful -- it teaches us the most. We must continue to strive to improve the quality of our products and services.

I would implore all operators who post here to allow the betting community to post their comments without confrontation. We - at least us here at Cloudbet - have a lot to learn from them, despite our team having been in the industry for nearly 10 years and in some cases much longer.

We're rated a B, or a C, or something. It doesn't matter what criteria the raters use, we can't influence that. What matters is the feedback we receive, that empowers us to improve the quality and breadth of our service. Please - be harsh, be critical, be brutal even, but be honest and objective.

Here's hoping all of your parlays hit this weekend!

Cheers,
Cloudbet

The feedback is good for posters and books alike.

[DirectBet]

DirectBet- No books pay to operate or post on Bitcointalk. It's not even discussed.

That's an interesting twist.

For days we are having this discussion. At no point did you deny that certain Bitcoin Sportbooks are paying you to advertise them on forums. Neither of the books denied that either.

You kept avoiding the question and downplaying the responsibility to your boss.

Now you suddenly deny it and claim that it wasn't even discussed, so we have no other choice but to reveal what happened :

Several weeks ago Peeps contacted the top Bitcoin sports betting sites and invited them to advertise on his website, http://www.peepsplace.com

The advertisement deal specifically included promoting the books in forums :



We rejected the offer, but Peeps kept nudging several times :



We still refused to take the offer, but apparently others did take it.

Shortly afterwards, Peeps tailored the ratings and criteria on this thread so that the Bitcoin sportbooks that purchased his advertisement deal will also be on top of his ratings list.

Peeps had a lot of good things to say about us, he praised us on e-mails and forums, he was also betting on our website regularly and he even signed up as an affiliate, but after we rejected to purchase his advertisement deal, Peeps suddenly started discrediting us and posting false information, and a few hours after we questioned our rating, it was reduced to C.

I invite you to read more on this matter and see for yourself :

At the beginning, when this ratings thread started, there was a list of criteria that was used to determine the rating of each sportsbook. We were given a rating of B and Anonibet were the top rated sportsbook with a rating of A.

I went over the list of criteria, one by one, and proved that in each and every category we are as good or better than Anonibet. And so I asked Peeps why we are rated lower ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6137493#msg6137493

Just a few hours later the ratings criteria have suddenly changed !!! so that Anonibet can be the only Bitcoin Sportsbook with a rating of A and they were also granted the max possible rating of A, on top of all other books. Our rating on the other hand was reduced to C.

During the following days, there have been several reports here on Anonibet retroactively canceling bets, delaying withdrawals, limiting bet sizes and bet selections and various other negative feedback. Players were saying they will never bet there again, that they do not deserve to be the top rated, but their rating remains a firm A, on top of all other sportbooks, and Peeps ignored all comments.

As a result, we claim that this ratings guide has turned into a disguised advertising vehicle for Anonibet.

That's when we questioned the rating for the second time :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6452025#msg6452025

It's time to put a stop to this practice, where hustlers are asking Bitcoin Sportsbooks for payments in order to get a good review and rating, or else they get discredited in forums along with a reduced rating.

Peeps is in a conflict of interests as he is getting paid by some Bitcoin Sportbooks to advertise them on his website and promote them in forums and therefore he does not have the authority or creditability to rate Bitcoin Sportbooks.

[Gogo ppp]

What you say is unethical.

Unethical?

Why?

[DirectBet]

What you say is unethical. We plug in promotional sections at other forums. I'm in an airport so will reply tonight if I don't finish. We plug at cash forums to turn them into bitcoin books. We also send out articles in publications.

Look at the date of my PMs. Your book has drastically changed since then. You no longer have line lines because of the hold on bets. This means that DirectBet is now useless. Your theoretical hold is outrageous.

You keep spreading false information about us.

You were betting in-play on DirectBet several times during April, as recent as April 26th, just 3 days before this story broke out, then you come here and say that we are useless ?

Why instead don't you give us credit for offering bets that were not available by your top rated books ?

[Bismarckbkk]

You say peeps tailored the rating so that only the books who took his deal would be top rated.

So it would have to be coincidence that, the books who took the offer are also the longest operating to fit his criteria. And to add to that the books who took offer are also the most popular?

Peeps also said that it was the users who demanded the ruling be changed, I didnt confirm it but I tend to believe it because I think he would have been called for it hadnt it been so.

There has been a new thread to rate books based on user votes, the ratings there are congruent with the ratings here.

The offer to go around to plug you in forums doesnt mean it has to be this thread because this is not a plugging but a user generated rating thread. If the community didnt agree it would abondon this thread.

I have not seen any plugging for any specific books here , just user generated content. The ratings on the startpage are more or less accepted by users who have used the books. Again I agree anoni is overrated but youre theory that anoni specificlly paid for beeing the only A rated book doesnt hold up under close scrutiny.

You should take an example on cloudbet who have the same rating as you but have recieved good reviews here from me and others , something that cant be said about you.

[DirectBet]

So it would have to be coincidence that, the books who took the offer are also the longest operating to fit his criteria. And to add to that the books who took offer are also the most popular?

This is not a coincidence. The ratings criteria were changed AFTER the books started paying him to promote them in forums.

At the beginning, when this ratings thread started, there was a long list of 11 criteria that was used to determine the rating of each sportsbook. Book opening date was # 4 in importance, as you can see here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg4979844#msg4979844

After the advertisement deal, Peeps figured it would be best for his books if he removes all criteria and leave just one - the book opening date.

Peeps also said that it was the users who demanded the ruling be changed, I didnt confirm it but I tend to believe it because I think he would have been called for it hadnt it been so.

Initially, it was Peeps who suggested it, then some agreed, but they agreed to cap the max rating, not to automatically award the max rating based on how long the book is in business.

If you follow this thread you will see a constant pattern :

When posters suggest changes that favor Anonibet rating, Peeps implements them.

When posters provide negative feedback on Anonibet or suggest changes that might negatively affect their score, Peeps ignores them.

See this post :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6487920#msg6487920

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