#1 RATINGS and REVIEWS of SPORTS BOOKS thread. Poster input appreciated.

[DirectBet]

DirectBet- I've used DirectBet many times and the bet has always been canceled with long delays because of odd changes.

Many of your bets were rejected because you used the "Firm Odds" betting option while betting in-play.

We advised you many times in the past not to use the "Firm Odds" betting option while betting in-play in order to avoid rejections, but unfortunately you kept ignoring our advise.

I kept betting and my winner was canceled.

You are providing false information here. All your rejected bets were rejected and refunded immediately, long before the result has been determined and regardless of the result. Some turned to be winners, and some turned to be losers, but that's irrelevant.

I just wanted to make posters aware of what they may run into with DirectBet.

You questioned our integrity in public and so it is important for us to get to the bottom of things and prove that there was no wrong doing on our end.

I'm still looking forward to your answer :

You placed many bets on our website in the past. You should know by now that after sending your bet transfer, you have to refresh the bet status page and wait until your bet is either confirmed or rejected. If the status is 'No bets were received', it means that your bet transfer has not been delivered yet and you should check back later.

45 minutes after you placed the first bet (the one that arrived in 7 minutes delay and was confirmed), you placed another identical bet on the same game.

So if you kept betting on our website on the same game 45 minutes later, why didn't you check the status of your earlier bets before placing another identical bet ?

[Rating Place]

DirectBet - When bets aren't accepted, I keep making bets. Sometimes I'll keep making bets on the same team. Some times I will bet the other side. Live betting changes fast.

There is no longer any reason for me to play at DirectBet. As goxgoft alluded, the deposit books are much better for live bets since bet confirmations are fast and your bets aren't held for 7 minutes before deciding if the bet is good or not. Your system is also overly complicated.

I sent the money at 17:45 and it was received at 17:45 even though you say 17:52

Size   258 (bytes)
Received Time   2014-07-02 17:45:27
Included In Blocks   308912 (2014-07-02 18:12:04 +27 minutes)
Confirmations   313 Confirmations
Relayed by IP    Blockchain.info
Visualize   View Tree Chart

Refunds aren't immediate as you keep repeating. My winner was refunded 17 minutes later. The rest of my answers will be in your thread.

[DirectBet]

Refunds aren't immediate as you keep repeating. My winner was refunded 17 minutes later.

You get an instant notification when your bet is rejected and it is then refunded after there is 1 confirmation in the Bitcoin network for your initial bet transfer.

So while the refund is transferred a few minutes later, you know right away whether your bet was confirmed or not.

I'm sorry that your bet arrived in a few minutes delay and hope that you will understand that this was not our fault.

Your wallet provider delayed the broadcasting of your bet transfer as I've showed you in my previous post.

We process bets as soon as they are received. We have no way to tell whether your transfer arrived in a delay or whether you intentionally wanted to send it some time after you ordered the bet on our website.

In the future, if you decide to bet at DirectBet again, we recommend that for time sensitive bets and for fastest instant Bitcoin delivery, you use the official Bitcoin Core client or its lighter version Multibit.

These wallets can be downloaded from https://bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet

You will not have these delays when using the official wallet.

[Rating Place]

Upgrade notice from Nitrogen.

Hey everyone,

We wanted to take a moment to talk about the downtimes we experienced in the month of June. A lot has happened over the last month, and we know that most hasn’t necessarily been “visible” to you, our users.

We experienced a large increase in our user base, and we’ve been working through some growing pains. On June 14th, some of you may have noticed the website start to slow down during peak hours, especially during the chat giveaways.

Since then, we’ve completely upgraded our server architecture and hardware - this was completed on June 20th.

This upgrade has virtually eliminated the slowness issues we were experiencing, and ensures that we’ll be able to more seamlessly handle growth in the future. The server upgrade was a big project (with a lot of moving parts) and was the cause of some of the additional downtime to a portion of our users this past weekend. We do our best to anticipate these types of issues and to let you know when we plan downtime. Unfortunately, on June 29th we missed updating the forums for that period. While some of our users may not have been affected, we would like to apologize to those that were.

In addition to the scaling / user growth side of things, as we’re getting more popular, we’re also having to deal with more frequent DDOS attacks. One of the largest was experienced by our host, and international routing channels were actually switched over due to the size of this attack. We were not the only book that felt this, as several very large FIAT books in Costa Rica were also affected during the same period.

Again, for everyone affected, we absolutely share your frustration. Nothing is worse for us than the website going down. We’re always working to bring it back up, as well as keeping you notified here and on Twitter as quickly as possible.

While we may not have seen the last of these growing pains, we do want to thank everyone that has stood by us during the issues last month. The larger we can grow the community and the more mainstream bitcoin becomes, the better it is not only for us, but for you as a bitcoin user as well.

We’d like to take this opportunity to announce a new feature on Nitrogen: “bet coupons”. Coupons are free bets that you can make on your Nitrogen account. They cost you nothing, and you get to keep whatever you win: no rollovers, no further betting requirements. We’ll be giving free bets away over the coming weeks on Twitter, the forum and in our chat room as we perfect them based on your feedback!

As a first trial of these coupons, we’ll be awarding some to the frequent users who bet with us during the month of June. If, during June 11 - July 1 you made at least 20 wagers on Nitrogen, then we’ve already credited your account with a free bet coupon. The value of the coupon is based on your average bet size during that period, up to a maximum of 0.1 BTC.

If you missed the 20 bet requirement, please check your account anyway. We’ve randomly selected and credited 500 additional accounts with a free coupon wager of 0.001. You don’t need a balance in your account to use the coupon, it’s just a free bet!


Thanks again for your patience; we’re incredibly lucky to have such loyal and fantastic bettors!
The Nitrogen Sports Team

[Rating Place]

DirectBet has had 3 cases in the last few days where player's money was held in limbo for up to 7 minutes. I understand DirectBet's point of view in that they cannot accept the bet until it hits the blockchain and that there can be delays that aren't the fault of DirectBet. That excuse still doesn't help the player since our money can be out of our control without us knowing if we have a bet until the conclusion of the game. There has now been another problem where DirectBet held the money not telling the player if he had a bet or not.

I've had my personal disagreements with DirectBet as well as unprofessional communications. I put all of that aside when grading books and posting information concerning a book. That said, it's not recommended to bet a substantial amount of money with DirectBet since they have delays that can be easily fixed. DirectBet should not allow bets to be open for extended periods of time. They have the ability to cancel bets after an order has been placed but for some reason their system currently allows for these bets to be open until the game is final and we don't have the ability to cancel it. Deposit books are a much better avenue for live bets than DirectBet.

[Rating Place]

Please post any books that aren't listed.

"A" rated books
Anonibet A (2011)

"B"rated books
NitrogenSports B+ (2012)

"C" rated books
Casinobitcoin C+ (2013)
Cloudbet C+ (2013)
SBObitcoin C+ (2013) *
Betcoinsports C (2013)
DirectBet C (2013)
Jetwin C- (2013)
BetOWI C- (2014) *

"D" rated books
Coindraft D+ (2014)
Roadbet D+ (2012)
BetVIP D+ (2014)
Webetcoins D+ (2014)
Gobetgo D+ (2014)
Bitcoinlivebets D- (2013)

"F" rated books
BetCas F
Bitcoinsport F
Coinbet F
Sportbet.im F
StakeBTC

NR
Darkbet
Betmoose
Fairlay
Cointeller
Bitbook
xbet.io
Pocketrocketscasino.eu/sports
Predictious
tdsports


* longer accepting cash deposits



Maximum grade based upon time in business:

A - 2 years
B - 1 year
C - 3 months
D - 1 month
F - reserved for books that are slow paying or stiffing players

[DirectBet]

Peeps Place

First, you should disclose that you are getting paid by our competitors to advertise and promote them in forums.

You are getting paid by Anonibet, Cloudbet and Nitrogen, and this ratings guide is a disguised advertisement vehicle for them.

The idea is simple. Rate them on top of all others, set the ratings rules so that no other Sportsbook can be rated higher and make the false impression that they are better than others.

Very clever way to advertise, except that we revealed your scam, provided evidence and kept pressing until you finally admitted that you are indeed getting paid by these books to promote them in forums (although you claimed that the payment is for advertising them in other forums, just not "this forum").

For those of you who are interested, the relevant discussion starts here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6452025#msg6452025

These books also pay to advertise on your forums :

http://www.peepsplace.com/

Recently, DirectBet has become very popular, many clients from the books that you represent moved to bet on our website, and you are trying to get them back by spreading false information on DirectBet.

Second, you never post here any complain on any of the above books that pay you.

There have been many complaints on Anonibet but you keep silent. Just this week someone claims they are holding his 7 BTC withdrawal for more than a week :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=672929.0

CloudBet thread here is full of complaints too.

No word from you on these issues. When you post about the books that pay you, it is just positive news and promotions. This is another evidence that your opinion is biased.

Third, in regards to your recent bets on our website, you have placed many bets with us in the past and you know how it works. You have to send your bet transfer and wait to see if your bet is confirmed or not. This is clearly explained when you order a bet.

Your wallet delayed the transfer of 2 of your recent bets by a few minutes. We can not take responsibility for delays by 3rd parties wallets.

You then asked us to refund your losing bet because you "did not know" it was confirmed. It was your responsibility to wait for your bet confirmations.

We find it unreasonable that you did not know that your bet was confirmed because you placed the exact same bet on the same game 45 minutes later. It is also unreasonable that you were not interested in the bet since you placed it again later. I'm sure you wouldn't have returned your winnings had your bet won.

Perhaps other Bitcoin Sportbooks refund your losing bets because they are afraid you will otherwise reduce their ratings. We don't.

All your bets were processed according to our rules, which are clearly stated on our website. There was no wrong doing on our end. Your previous post is full of false information as I have already clarified here in my previous posts.

Peeps Place, the gold standard when it comes to rating bitcoin sportsbooks

Bitcointalk members are not fools. These are paid ratings.

[Rating Place]

DirectBet- Those are all lies that we have been over numerous times. I have told you, and the books can confirm, that no one pays me to post at bitcointalk. Please stop with the misinformation. Posters in your thread are posting that you lie. You don't see this with other books. None of the other books are claiming, "foul" with the ratings other than you.

Book information is what is relevant and no one is getting stiffed by a book or slow paid at this time other than "D" rated books. If that happens, it will be reported and it doesn't matter which book it is. The biggest problem that I see right now, and posters deserve to be warned, is with DirectBet.

 You have high limits and a player may make a 20 BTC without getting immediate confirmation if the bet is good or not. He may have to wait one hour, because of a software flaw that you have before getting a bet confirmed. The player isn't allowed to cancel the bet during this waiting period.

[Rating Place]

If all goes well with the World Cup, Casinobitco.in will be getting an upgrade now that they have been in business over one year. No official upgrades were made during the World Cup and will not be made until after the World Cup.

[DirectBet]

You have high limits and a player may make a 20 BTC without getting immediate confirmation if the bet is good or not. He may have to wait one hour, because of a software flaw that you have before getting a bet confirmed. The player isn't allowed to cancel the bet during this waiting period.

Bets are either confirmed or rejected instantly, as soon as they are received.

If you are concerned that your bet transfer may be delayed by your wallet, and want an option to cancel your bet if it arrives later than planned, we do offer such an option.

You can order a negotiated bet and set the odds to 1000 (unrealistic). Then wait for your bet to arrive.

Once your bet arrives and is set to Negotiate state, if you are no longer interested in the bet, you can cancel it. If and when you are interested in the bet, change the odds to the current odds and your bet will confirm instantly. By doing it this way, you will have full control on when your bet is confirmed, just like you have with deposit books, and with an option to cancel your bet if it arrives late.

[Rating Place]

You have high limits and a player may make a 20 BTC without getting immediate confirmation if the bet is good or not. He may have to wait one hour, because of a software flaw that you have before getting a bet confirmed. The player isn't allowed to cancel the bet during this waiting period.

Bets are either confirmed or rejected instantly, as soon as they are received.

If you are concerned that your bet transfer may be delayed by your wallet, and want an option to cancel your bet if it arrives later than planned, we do offer such an option.

You can order a negotiated bet and set the odds to 1000 (unrealistic). Then wait for your bet to arrive.

Once your bet arrives and is set to Negotiate state, if you are no longer interested in the bet, you can cancel it. If and when you are interested in the bet, change the odds to the current odds and your bet will confirm instantly. By doing it this way, you will have full control on when your bet is confirmed, just like you have with deposit books, and with an option to cancel your bet if it arrives late.

We would have to beat you to the punch to cancel negotiated odds. If a player wants to do that they should bet at an exchange with much better odds than you offer.

DirectBet should just cancel orders if not accepted within 30 seconds instead of leaving us at your mercy with what could be hours with firm odds because of delays with the wallet, blockchain or DirectBet.

[DirectBet]

If a player wants to do that they should bet at an exchange with much better odds than you offer.

We offer much greater odds than Anonibet, the top rated Bitcoin Sportsbook in your biased, paid ratings list.

How come you never complain about the ridiculously low odds that Anonibet offers ?

That's because you are biased. They pay you to keep quiet about that.

DirectBet should just cancel orders if not accepted within 30 seconds

That's not a good idea.

Some of our clients prefer to order the bet but send the amount they wish to bet later on while watching the game.

Furthermore, some clients place bets using funds they withdraw from other Bitcoin Sportbooks or exchanges and such withdrawals are usually not instant so there is a gap between the time the bet is ordered to the time the amount to bet is transferred.

You have an option to cancel your bet if it arrives late as I described in my previous post.

[Rating Place]

There isn't one rating guide that that I've seen that puts DirectBet ahead of Anonibet or Nitrogen.

[Rating Place]

Here are all the complaints the last couple of days with DirectBet.

7/4 ts11111 fortunately had a screenshot

You are blatantly lying to justify not confirming my Fischer bet at 5.6.

You say it was never at 5.6, but I ordered it and it automatically populated the current odds of 5.6

Check my screenshot - I have never ordered a bet and typed in 5.6 as my desired odds.

7/4 This is my complaint. I understand DirectBet's point of view that the bet didn't enter the blockchain until 7 minutes after I sent it. That still is a problem since it can be hours instead of 7 minutes

....... I placed an order at 17:45. I received a bitcoin address and sent the money at 17:45. DirectBet acknowledged that I sent it at 17:45.  Now he is saying that he didn't know. He accepted it 7 minutes later. There is no reason for us to wait 7 minutes before knowing if DirectBet is going to accept the bet.

7/4 ts11111 in response to DirectBet. ts11111 may have not been right but it's the posted lies by DirectBet that are worrisome.

LIES!!!!

Per your  email from last night:

"The odds never reached 5.6. 4.6 was the highest until you canceled the bet.
It's possible that you didn't refresh the page and saw outdated odds."

7/4

wow really? im never using DB again if they dont fix this for you ts111 thats bogus

7/5 Talkingbread

I may be your biggest player but I'm not letting you hold my BTC7 for half an hour until you decide bet. My BTC now goes to books with instant confirmations.

7/5 Josepht

When will I receive payout? http://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=1G9pY4KPPJtqM2FYjBnW5t3kFmRJpL7KjU

I used to receive a payout in 10 minutes after the contest ended. It is 2.5 hours now.

Edit: payout received.

7/5 ts11111 and then reply by RyanK

In the blockchain:
https://blockchain.info/tx/499b5b55f419c0d7b640d70ff4aa768caaf78b837d07744067db7a1956ad5e56

"No bets received"

http://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=18ajdcmjNV1Y4sNJCzAmAkgPWStzr8oUvx

yeah same... wtf?

DirectBet today. Their wallet was clogged so confirmations took 3 minutes.

According to our records it took 3 minutes from the time that you ordered the bet on our website to the time it was confirmed.

Apparently part of the delay was because our Bitcoin wallet was clogged as at that particular moment we received an unusual number of bets on this game simultaneously.

I'm sorry for the short delay, we are working to improve this.

Today cc5t

Whats going on with the site? Seems to have went down during the UFC fight and now I havent been paid my winnings?

Today cc5t

just sent an email. It has been over 3 hrs since the ufc ended

Today Grumpster

If you had accounts and ways to deposit to the account (they could be optional and you could keep the current system as a secondary one) then people wouldn't face this problem anymore and nobody would need to complain about the change of odds during the time it takes for the transaction to register and the system to confirm the bet.

[DirectBet]

Here are all the complaints the last couple of days with DirectBet.

We have replied to each and every complaint in great details on our thread.

I invite anyone who is interested to visit our thread and read what we had to say.

While you are there, please take a moment to vote. We have added a new poll :

Do you think that Peeps Place has the right to rate Bitcoin Sportbooks, given that those he rates the highest are paying him to advertise and promote them ?

Yes or No ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.0

[Talkingbread]

Here are all the complaints the last couple of days with DirectBet.

We have replied to each and every complaint in great details on our thread.

I invite anyone who is interested to visit our thread and read what we had to say.

While you are there, please take a moment to vote. We have added a new poll :

Do you think that Peeps Place has the right to rate Bitcoin Sportbooks, given that those he rates the highest are paying him to advertise and promote them ?

Yes or No ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=393147.0

 Directbet just perpetuates lies. They held up my bet for 30 minutes. This should be a self moderated thread.

[WhatsBitcoin]

Peeps Place

First, you should disclose that you are getting paid by our competitors to advertise and promote them in forums.

You are getting paid by Anonibet, Cloudbet and Nitrogen, and this ratings guide is a disguised advertisement vehicle for them.

The idea is simple. Rate them on top of all others, set the ratings rules so that no other Sportsbook can be rated higher and make the false impression that they are better than others.

Very clever way to advertise, except that we revealed your scam, provided evidence and kept pressing until you finally admitted that you are indeed getting paid by these books to promote them in forums (although you claimed that the payment is for advertising them in other forums, just not "this forum").

For those of you who are interested, the relevant discussion starts here :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448302.msg6452025#msg6452025

These books also pay to advertise on your forums :

http://www.peepsplace.com/

Recently, DirectBet has become very popular, many clients from the books that you represent moved to bet on our website, and you are trying to get them back by spreading false information on DirectBet.

Second, you never post here any complain on any of the above books that pay you.

There have been many complaints on Anonibet but you keep silent. Just this week someone claims they are holding his 7 BTC withdrawal for more than a week :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=672929.0

CloudBet thread here is full of complaints too.

No word from you on these issues. When you post about the books that pay you, it is just positive news and promotions. This is another evidence that your opinion is biased.

Third, in regards to your recent bets on our website, you have placed many bets with us in the past and you know how it works. You have to send your bet transfer and wait to see if your bet is confirmed or not. This is clearly explained when you order a bet.

Your wallet delayed the transfer of 2 of your recent bets by a few minutes. We can not take responsibility for delays by 3rd parties wallets.

You then asked us to refund your losing bet because you "did not know" it was confirmed. It was your responsibility to wait for your bet confirmations.

We find it unreasonable that you did not know that your bet was confirmed because you placed the exact same bet on the same game 45 minutes later. It is also unreasonable that you were not interested in the bet since you placed it again later. I'm sure you wouldn't have returned your winnings had your bet won.

Perhaps other Bitcoin Sportbooks refund your losing bets because they are afraid you will otherwise reduce their ratings. We don't.

All your bets were processed according to our rules, which are clearly stated on our website. There was no wrong doing on our end. Your previous post is full of false information as I have already clarified here in my previous posts.

Peeps Place, the gold standard when it comes to rating bitcoin sportsbooks

Bitcointalk members are not fools. These are paid ratings.

Directbet, I had two wagers this week. Sent from a blockchain wallet so there should be ZERO delay. Both bets were not confirmed or rec'd by your site until 2 minutes after sending the wager. Your wallet recd and was shown on blockchain.info my amount I wagered both times and your site did not show my bet as rec'd until 2-3 minutes later for both. I did not complain as I got better odds and my bets both won HOWEVER, there is a very serious delay you guys have. Not using you guys until I see this is fixed.

[DirectBet]

Directbet just perpetuates lies. They held up my bet for 30 minutes. This should be a self moderated thread.

I asked you for the bet ID so that we can look into it but you didn't want to send it, so I can't help you.

Please e-mail your bet ID to support@directbet.eu and we will investigate it.

If it turns out that there was a problem on our end we will compensate you.

[Talkingbread]

Directbet just perpetuates lies. They held up my bet for 30 minutes. This should be a self moderated thread.

I asked you for the bet ID so that we can look into it but you didn't want to send it, so I can't help you.

Please e-mail your bet ID to support@directbet.eu and we will investigate it.

If it turns out that there was a problem on our end we will compensate you.

I sent you an email and told you that I don't want to give you the information since you post emails and transactions of other players on this forum. I like to keep my privacy and don't want .01 for your mistakes. I want you to fix the problem.

[DirectBet]

Directbet, I had two wagers this week. Sent from a blockchain wallet so there should be ZERO delay. Both bets were not confirmed or rec'd by your site until 2 minutes after sending the wager. Your wallet recd and was shown on blockchain.info my amount I wagered both times and your site did not show my bet as rec'd until 2-3 minutes later for both. I did not complain as I got better odds and my bets both won HOWEVER, there is a very serious delay you guys have. Not using you guys until I see this is fixed.

Which wallet were you using ?

I'd appreciate if you could PM me the bet IDs for further investigation.