The Cypherfunks[FUNK]: a coin for a global band! Talking v2. Join! 80+ songs

[soundposition]

I'm imagining an ASIC called a Funkalodeon. A person would load a wallet with FUNK.  When they clicked play to stream a song, it would automatically pay the FUNK after about 3 confirmations and the song would stream! The listener could make playlists of songs which they could pay for in FUNK. Even previews of songs could be paid with FUNK from some kind of pool (people want to know if they want to hear the rest or not.)

[soundposition]

I'm not a big fan of Google+, and I refuse to have a profile. I didn't like how they tried to coerce me into having one  multiple times. I made an appear.in hangout:

https://appear.in/cypherfunks

You can pop in anytime, but we should set a time.

Saturday, May 24 at 12:00 Noon EST

Let me know if that doesn't work for anyone, and we can try and reschedule it.

[simondlr]

I'm not a big fan of Google+, and I refuse to have a profile. I didn't like how they tried to coerce me into having one  multiple times. I made an appear.in hangout:

https://appear.in/cypherfunks

You can pop in anytime, but we should set a time.

Saturday, May 24 at 12:00 Noon EST

Let me know if that doesn't work for anyone, and we can try and reschedule it.

I'm unfortunately away from 11-31 May (travelling through Europe). So not sure at all if I'll be able to make that date.

[soundposition]

I'm not a big fan of Google+, and I refuse to have a profile. I didn't like how they tried to coerce me into having one  multiple times. I made an appear.in hangout:

https://appear.in/cypherfunks

You can pop in anytime, but we should set a time.

Saturday, May 24 at 12:00 Noon EST

Let me know if that doesn't work for anyone, and we can try and reschedule it.

I'm unfortunately away from 11-31 May (travelling through Europe). So not sure at all if I'll be able to make that date.

Alright, sounds like fun Simon! Let's do one this week?

How about Friday, May 9th @ 12:00 Noon EST (6:00 P.M. Cape town time)?

Washington DC (U.S.A. - District of Columbia)  Friday, May 9, 2014 at 12:00:00 Noon EDT  UTC-4 hours
Cape Town (South Africa)                               Friday, May 9, 2014 at 6:00:00 PM    SAST UTC+2 hours
Albuquerque (U.S.A. - New Mexico)                 Friday, May 9, 2014 at 10:00:00 AM   MDT  UTC-6 hours
Los Angeles (U.S.A. - California)                      Friday, May 9, 2014 at 9:00:00 AM    PDT  UTC-7 hours
Corresponding UTC (GMT)                               Friday, May 9, 2014 at 16:00:00       

[simondlr]

I'm not a big fan of Google+, and I refuse to have a profile. I didn't like how they tried to coerce me into having one  multiple times. I made an appear.in hangout:

https://appear.in/cypherfunks

You can pop in anytime, but we should set a time.

Saturday, May 24 at 12:00 Noon EST

Let me know if that doesn't work for anyone, and we can try and reschedule it.

I'm unfortunately away from 11-31 May (travelling through Europe). So not sure at all if I'll be able to make that date.

Alright, sounds like fun Simon! Let's do one this week?

How about Friday, May 9th @ 12:00 Noon EST (6:00 P.M. Cape town time)?

Washington DC (U.S.A. - District of Columbia)  Friday, May 9, 2014 at 12:00:00 Noon EDT  UTC-4 hours
Cape Town (South Africa)                               Friday, May 9, 2014 at 6:00:00 PM    SAST UTC+2 hours
Albuquerque (U.S.A. - New Mexico)                 Friday, May 9, 2014 at 10:00:00 AM   MDT  UTC-6 hours
Los Angeles (U.S.A. - California)                      Friday, May 9, 2014 at 9:00:00 AM    PDT  UTC-7 hours
Corresponding UTC (GMT)                               Friday, May 9, 2014 at 16:00:00       

So far it sounds like a plan! May 9th 12:00 Noon EST.

[groggin]

        
                                                                                                                                  



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[simondlr]

       
                                                                                                                                  



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Haha. Groggin you champ. Love that poster!

Correct swisscex link: https://www.swisscex.com/voting

[soundposition]

I think the idea of an open source band is amazing.

People all over the world will be like 'I saw the Cypherfunks play live last night,' but none of them will be talking about a band made up of the same people!

Imagine how flooded YouTube is going to be with music by the Cypherfunks (because anyone can use the name)!

Sounds chaotic, confusing, and wonderful. The cryptocurrency would be like icing on the cake.

I don't really think YouTube is getting flooded with people flocking to use the name Cypherfunks. Right now, I think many musicians make music hoping it will benefit themselves somehow. They restrict the licenses granted for their music, thinking one day they will be like The Who, and get played over and over again on the radio earning royalties forever. Not very likely...

We are laborers of love, hoping we will be fairly compensated for our work. Although that is rarely the case. Putting my FUNK address in my signature doesn't compel people to send me FUNK. It's like the tip hat that sits there while everyone just walks on by.

I think musicians look at the Cypherfunks, and at first glance think it can't help them potentially, because they would have to release their music for free.  That can easily change with the addition of automatic pay-per-stream technology, where FUNK is automatically spent from a listeners account balance to pay the musicians when a song is played. 

I'm thinking of doing an experiment where I perform a live performance from my studio, and pre-sell the tickets in FUNK. After the show, one winner will be randomly selected to win a Prize.. I haven't decided what the prize is yet.

I'll work out the details and keep you posted.

[fgtlss]

what can we do to promote the coin???

who can tell me ??

thanks so much...

[soundposition]

what can we do to promote the coin???

who can tell me ??

thanks so much...

Please vote for the FUNK coin we need other exchanges (go vote!):

MintPal:
https://www.mintpal.com/voting [3 votes/hour. 0,00005 BTC per vote.]
Swisscex:
https://swisscex.com/voting [Register for 3 votes/hour. 0,00005 BTC per vote.]
Comkort:
https://comkort.com/vote/#FUNK [Register for 3 votes/hour. 0.00005 BTC per vote.]
Lazycoins:
http://www.reddit.com/r/LazyCoins/comments/1ym64j/add_the_cypherfunks_funk_decentralized_band/
Cryptsy (seems removed?):
http://cryptsy.freshdesk.com/categories/48399/forums/191571/topics/4000000933

[simondlr]

I think the idea of an open source band is amazing.

People all over the world will be like 'I saw the Cypherfunks play live last night,' but none of them will be talking about a band made up of the same people!

Imagine how flooded YouTube is going to be with music by the Cypherfunks (because anyone can use the name)!

Sounds chaotic, confusing, and wonderful. The cryptocurrency would be like icing on the cake.

I don't really think YouTube is getting flooded with people flocking to use the name Cypherfunks. Right now, I think many musicians make music hoping it will benefit themselves somehow. They restrict the licenses granted for their music, thinking one day they will be like The Who, and get played over and over again on the radio earning royalties forever. Not very likely...

We are laborers of love, hoping we will be fairly compensated for our work. Although that is rarely the case. Putting my FUNK address in my signature doesn't compel people to send me FUNK. It's like the tip hat that sits there while everyone just walks on by.

I think musicians look at the Cypherfunks, and at first glance think it can't help them potentially, because they would have to release their music for free.  That can easily change with the addition of automatic pay-per-stream technology, where FUNK is automatically spent from a listeners account balance to pay the musicians when a song is played. 

I'm thinking of doing an experiment where I perform a live performance from my studio, and pre-sell the tickets in FUNK. After the show, one winner will be randomly selected to win a Prize.. I haven't decided what the prize is yet.

I'll work out the details and keep you posted.

That sounds cool!

@fgtlss

Yes, vote. And also, spread the music: https://soundcloud.com/groups/the-cypherfunks

[mckmuze]

@mckmuze

Very, very fascinating ideas. One of the more difficult parts is to actually with cryptographic verifiability use the music to interact with the blockchain. It's no mean feat. But you give some interesting ideas.

If you could make for example, an independently verifiable queue of the Cypherfunks songs (randomised playing), you could then do things like matching block payouts to music. ie, each block, automatically pays out part of the mining reward to a song on the network. Something like that.

I like your ideas! Keep it coming! Keep it coming!

My thinking is this, average people dont care about Asic miners, crypto currency, blockchains, etc, etc. They just want something like spotify, that plays a radio selection of music. the asic box would just be a cool gizmo that streams music and also pays them small amounts to listen to music. The music doesn't really have to be verifiable with the blockchain in any way other than a means of sending payments out. The app/wallet would have a payment feature built into the "like" button. you click "like" to build your playlists and preferences and the like button sends a payment to the currently streamed artist. An artist would need a profile created on an identity based blockchain like namecoin's onename. This would ensure you have private keys to your artist profile and payments. The artist profile could also be used as a promotional tool for the individuals. as far as the streaming is concerned, a commercially available box would need to be developed with a balance of Funk provided at purchase. This would give the listener streaming credits and the upvotes/ "likes" could be pulled from a pooled account that generates as more consumers come online.

So as far as the multipool payouts are concerned, it wouldnt be any different than the donation percentages most pools already offer, but instead of two payout (one to pool, one to miner) you would have a 25% payout to crowd fund/ mining pool, 50% listener/miner, and 25% to currently streamed artist. I'm not a developer so I'm not aware of how dificult this would be to do, but, imagine in all the musicians on the network had the asic, the listeners had the asic, and your phone tablet or computer was no different than a spotify style app, but tied to your hardware. Paying for the service would be simply buying the asic. I feel like I'm off base here because I'm not a developer, but I know I'm on to something, its just a bit fuzzy at the moment. I have a feeling as the security issues and the decentralized app development environments get started my ideas will be a bit more feasible. If crypto really explodes in value I would personally fund this and wont stop til my vision is a reality. I see this as something I would use the crap out of and I'm sure a lot of others would as well even if they didnt care about decentralized currency.

I'm puting myself in the shoes of the average person, not the average crypto speculator or a person who understands crypto currency. The average person wont really care until they finally realize the intrinsic value behind Funk style currencies. The barrier of entry is really high for people trying to understand cryptocurrency, so mass produced streaming devices cleverly disguised as hardware based media boxes with speakers, IO ports, NFC/bluetooth docking option would allow users to use it without even thinking about new currency, though after using it for a while they will be introduced to the amazing world that is decentralized finance.

Someone please let me know where I'm off and try to explain to me the largest barriers to making this happen. I am aware this system would create a whole new job for a pool operator, but hey technology is killing jobs, lets create some new ones. lol

[simondlr]

I like where your head is at: especially with regards to paying attention to "mainstream" users. People who aren't necessarily interested in all the parts that make up a cryptocurrency.

I'll definitely give your idea some thought. It definitely gives rise to some interesting possibilities.

[soundposition]

So as far as the multipool payouts are concerned, it wouldnt be any different than the donation percentages most pools already offer, but instead of two payout (one to pool, one to miner) you would have a 25% payout to crowd fund/ mining pool, 50% listener/miner, and 25% to currently streamed artist. I'm not a developer so I'm not aware of how dificult this would be to do, but, imagine in all the musicians on the network had the asic, the listeners had the asic, and your phone tablet or computer was no different than a spotify style app, but tied to your hardware. Paying for the service would be simply buying the asic.

Someone please let me know where I'm off and try to explain to me the largest barriers to making this happen. I am aware this system would create a whole new job for a pool operator, but hey technology is killing jobs, lets create some new ones. lol

There are a few issues I have with the Funk ASIC.

1. China
Most likely the ASICs will be manufactured in China. I'm not really into creating more manufacturing jobs for China.

2. Costs to manufacture would be fairly high (at least from my point of view).

3. Why would the listener earn money by 'listening' to music, and why would they earn twice as much as the hardworking musician? These numbers seem arbitrary, and would necessarily have to be hard coded into a centralized manufactured product.

Again.. money to China?

Let's maybe take a step back and rethink this..

How can FUNK be used to benefit the musicians? That is the goal of the Cypherfunks. We can continuously help each other make music, only by making sure that FUNK can help put food on our table and so forth..

I can see myself buying food with FUNK, now wouldn't that be seriously great? In more practical terms, vendors could sell food at an outdoor festival to festival-goers. The vendors could of course use them to buy more FUNK related merchandise (which anyone can make and sell). Or they can convert their FUNK for BTC, and use the BTC for whatever they want..

All it takes is two or more parties that agree to use FUNK for their transactions.

If we can get the FUNK onto more of the exchanges, and get reasons going for people to buy FUNK with their BTC, the value of the FUNK will go up and we can start looking more towards merchant adoption.

Which reminds me, have you voted for the FUNK today at least once?

Please vote for the FUNK coin we need other exchanges (go vote!):

MintPal:
https://www.mintpal.com/voting [3 votes/hour. 0,00005 BTC per vote.]
Swisscex:
https://swisscex.com/voting [Register for 3 votes/hour. 0,00005 BTC per vote.]
Comkort:
https://comkort.com/vote/#FUNK [Register for 3 votes/hour. 0.00005 BTC per vote.]
Lazycoins:
http://www.reddit.com/r/LazyCoins/comments/1ym64j/add_the_cypherfunks_funk_decentralized_band/
Cryptsy (seems removed?):
http://cryptsy.freshdesk.com/categories/48399/forums/191571/topics/4000000933

We maybe should have a place to donate BTC and FUNK on the Cypherfunks website to use to inject capital. Look at how CleanWaterCoin does it (click the Donate button to see how they have it setup):
http://www.cleanwatercoin.org/

Maybe people could donate things they have created, and have a store where people can redeem their FUNK. Like those arcades with the tickets you redeem for toys, only we would have something more valuable than toys. They could be music related (instruments, software, music packs, FUNK festival tickets, concert tickets (FUNK paper storage wallets) etc..)

That way music software companies can get in on this by donating their products to support the cause! This would in turn encourage people to make more music and buy more music related products with FUNK. That would make clear the real value of FUNK.

[soundposition]

Well now this is really neato.. I have been staring at the FUNK to BTC market on AllCrypt for about a week, dismally looking at 0 trades. I was waiting for someone to buy my FUNK, and no one did. I just found the FUNK/LTC market where things are really hopping! I sold my FUNK and converted my LTC to BTC on the market, which I'm now going to use to vote for the FUNK on the other exchanges!

Woo hoo!

I wouldn't do this though, hold onto your FUNK for now because it is going to rise!

[simondlr]

I messaged kompoz and asked if they would accept FUNK for gift cards. Long shot, but worth a try.

> How can FUNK be used to benefit the musicians? That is the goal of the Cypherfunks. We can continuously help each other make music, only by making sure that FUNK can help put food on our table and so forth.

I still think the easiest project is to try and sponsor a gig. A small gig for a band just wanting to hire a small venue? Only requirement is that they print some FUNK paper wallets and hand it out at the gig.

Depends on pricing, who is playing, etc. And we can start within the community.

Just a thought.

[groggin]

  @soundposition

China
Most likely the ASICs will be manufactured in China. I'm not really into creating more manufacturing jobs for China.

problem solved?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569769.msg6205575#msg6205575

@simon
  hows the faucett doing? would be nice if they had a remaining balance posted on the page, will throw more at it when needed
could there be a link to the website/soundcloud there?

[simondlr]

Here's stats: http://cypherfunk.altcoinfaucet.net/stats/

Doesn't seem right. I put 1 million of the bounty in there. Can't be up already. Will mail Sebastian.

[soundposition]

  @soundposition

China
Most likely the ASICs will be manufactured in China. I'm not really into creating more manufacturing jobs for China.

problem solved?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=569769.msg6205575#msg6205575

Did you read that thread all the way through? That 'company' doesn't manufacture anything but 'self destructing ASIC miners' that don't work.

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Actually legally they cannot touch anything. They also stopped orders on hardware...because they are not taking any new orders they are at least in compliance of that. By them changing the website they would be in defiance of a court order, its the functional equivalent of shredding the documents. This is just the legal aspect. And also good luck suing lawyers lol. Generally speaking unless there is really good cause for it, other lawyers and judges view it as poor form and throw those cases out as frivolous. The lawyers are paid to consult and advise to avoid making a legal situation worse. In this case defense. A plantiff's lawyer....the class action, for instance advices the registered plantiffs what actions to take/not take. In this case the registered ones have stopped posting in public forums on the likley advise of their lawyers.
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[soundposition]

I submitted Cypherfunk coin to be added to the vote list for coinpayments.net. It's like min.io but they are actively working on adding new coins as payment methods. We need to get that voted up ASAP.

https://www.coinpayments.net