🔴💥 SCAMS of our bitcointalk 💥

[Juliya_D]

Lately, thanks to the group members, scam projects are being detected very efficiently.
In this topic I plan on posting links to the projects, which were admitted to be fraudulent.

Merits, which were gotten from this topic, are used only to users in a fight with the merit scam

SCAM PROJECTS

	DECEMBER
	30/12/2019			HashPool.club			Manager - graygelato			Reference
	30/12/2019			DoubleWay			Manager - cryptohands			Reference
	27/12/2019			Carnomaly			Manager - Yabuy92			Reference
	27/12/2019			VpwPonzi			Manager - coinyoo			Reference
	24/12/2019			EtherArc			Manager - EtherArc Token			Reference
	22/12/2019			monerov.online			Manager - monerovofficial			Reference
	19/12/2019			ABCP token			Manager - ABCP333			Reference
	18/12/2019			Click-to-buy			Manager - VInveste.biz			Reference
	18/12/2019			EXW token			Manager - Aleks-Rem			Reference
	17/12/2019			conico.io			Manager - xakerok228			Reference
	17/12/2019			Thesaurum			Manager - Thesaurum___Offical			Reference
	16/12/2019			BANK TRUST			Manager - Ethminer2x			Reference
	15/12/2019			Bithour			Manager - nad86			Reference
	15/12/2019			Algo Hedge			Manager - FX Algo Trading			Reference
	15/12/2019			Wise-Robotics			Manager - HYIPs-Analysis			Reference
	15/12/2019			Dronair			Manager - jack8989			Reference
	14/12/2019			Etoro-miners			Manager - rwrayen1			Reference
	12/12/2019			Abija trade			Manager - markus.ackermann89			Reference
	12/12/2019			Encos			Manager - markus.ackermann89			Reference
	10/12/2019			Bitex Broker			Manager - SQMonitor.com			Reference
	10/12/2019			GrandRoi			Manager - SQMonitor.com			Reference
	09/12/2019			Cryptoprov			Manager - SQMonitor.com			Reference
	08/12/2019			SaveToken			Manager - Rockie1234			Reference
	08/12/2019			Genesistrade			Manager - HYIPs-Analysis			Reference
	08/12/2019			xcryptocoins.com			Manager - colok91			Reference
	06/12/2019			YouTrade			Manager - YTcoin			Reference
	05/12/2019			Ethereum Fashion Hub			Manager - EtherFashionHub			Reference
	04/12/2019			Tradebits			Manager - tradebitsio			Reference
	04/12/2019			Bitcanna			Manager - KeithHopkin			Reference
	02/12/2019			Dubler Token			Manager - Dublertoken(DBT)			Reference
	01/12/2019			Profitinity			Manager - VInveste.biz			Reference
	NOVEMBER
	27/11/2019			Ethflash			Manager - ETHFlash			Reference
	26/11/2019			CryptoSparks			Manager - CryptoSparks			Reference
	23/11/2019			Bitsharks.io			Manager - Top10ka			Reference
	23/11/2019			Angro Coin			Manager - AngroCoin			Reference
	22/11/2019			Ultrablock.io			Manager - UltraBlock.io			Reference
	21/11/2019			Emmpo			Manager - hyipchecking			Reference
	20/11/2019			RivxCoin			Manager - RIVXcoin			Reference
	20/11/2019			WON Project			Manager - zxheejhei			Reference
	18/11/2019			Bitcoin Galaxy			Manager - bitcoingalactic			Reference
	17/11/2019			Boublr			Manager - Boublr			Reference
	15/11/2019			FDCC Flamengo			Manager - FDCC Dev			Reference
	12/11/2019			PDXCOIN			Manager - Suskoff			Reference
	12/11/2019			TradePlus			Manager - Trade+			Reference
	11/11/2019			Nodemart			Manager - bah.man			Reference
	10/11/2019			Micro Ethereum			Manager - MicroEthereum			Reference
	09/11/2019			Auto Make Money			Manager - automakemoney			Reference
	09/11/2019			neo3blockchain			Manager - NEO 3.0			Reference
	09/11/2019			Ventmode			Manager - VentmodeCampaigns			Reference
	06/11/2019			LightCoinEX			Manager - CryptoCraze11			Reference
	06/11/2019			Cryptengram			Manager - hyiper1988			Reference
	05/11/2019			Deploy Coin			Manager - jfederkins			Reference
	04/11/2019			Etherrush			Manager - etherrush			Reference
	03/11/2019			Blastrocket			Manager - blastrocket			Reference
	03/11/2019			Walletprizm			Manager - alrose			Reference
	03/11/2019			Inferno Token			Manager - InfernoToken			Reference
	03/11/2019			Stellar Classic			Manager - Bithereum			Reference
	02/11/2019			Solar Mining Power			Manager - sdmax2018			Reference
	01/11/2019			TravaCart			Manager - Jaxon18			Reference
	01/11/2019			THE600TOKEN			Manager - Wavelite token			Reference
	01/11/2019			Tachacoin			Manager - tachacoin			Reference
	OCTOBER
	29/10/2019			Investtrend			Manager - HYIPs-Analysis			Reference
	29/10/2019			Cryptopump			Manager - CryptoPumpMe			Reference
	28/10/2019			OKAYAMA			Manager - w-m-h			Reference
	27/10/2019			GOTOGODS			Manager - Tokenized0000			Reference
	25/10/2019			BeeHive			Manager - Bee-adviser			Reference
	25/10/2019			CloverCoin			Manager - TheClovercoin			Reference
	24/10/2019			MinerCash			Manager - MinerCashGlobal			Reference
	23/10/2019			COINSBIT			Manager - COINSBIT.EXCHANGE			Reference
	22/10/2019			Entherfound			Manager - Entherfound			Reference
	17/10/2019			Mindhome.io			Manager - adzep			Reference
	16/10/2019			Picscoin			Manager - stevecat			Reference
	15/10/2019			Libra Token			Manager - freegold			Reference
	15/10/2019			EthaGet			Manager - ethaget			Reference
	14/10/2019			cryptrix.ru			Manager - Nickola555			Reference
	12/10/2019			Doubl3r			Manager - supermoney			Reference
	12/10/2019			Bitpayer Exchange			Manager - CryptoGM			Reference
	06/10/2019			Hubble token			Manager - Davichi_Network			Reference
	06/10/2019			RoyaltyCOIN			Manager - royaltycoin			Reference
	06/10/2019			Earths			Manager - Hatch Support			Reference
	06/10/2019			Myfbb			Manager - newptc			Reference
	04/10/2019			Swiftex Exchange			Manager - swiftexexchange			Reference
	03/10/2019			Acash Coin			Manager - crypto service			Reference
	02/10/2019			Coirone			Manager - alisia_alica			Reference
	01/10/2019			JustEarnIt.monster			Manager - cleeon			Reference

• ARCHIVE "SCAMS of our bitcointalk" (SEPTEMBER - OCTOBER  2019)
• ARCHIVE "SCAMS of our bitcointalk" (JULY - AUGUST 2019)
• ARCHIVE "SCAMS of our bitcointalk" (MAY - JUNE 2019)
• ARCHIVE "SCAMS of our bitcointalk" (MARCH - APRIL 2019)
• ARCHIVE "SCAMS of our bitcointalk" (DECEMBER 2018 - FEBRUARY 2019)
• ARCHIVE "SCAMS of our bitcointalk" (SEPTEMBER - NOVEMBER 2018)
• ARCHIVE "SCAMS of our bitcointalk" (JUNE - AUGUST 2018)

If you see the project, which is admitted to be a scam one, link it in the comments below and I will transfer it to this list.

There is some shit going on in altcoin section lately, some scammers are copying other projects and trying to infect users with malicious files.
Don't forget to scan wallets after downloading them with https://www.virustotal.com or with any other tool you have.

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[stomachgrowls]

Should this post would be appropriate if it would be on reputation section https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0 because it has nothing to do with service discussion yet its already been proven for these projects to be a scam. Ive seen some good managers attached on handling a scam project but well its totally inevitable if the project aims to scam on the very first place. Those are just a list of recent scams of this year and lots of projects had been skip of.

[digaran]

If this is true then all of the involved parties must receive negative trust. their team members, managers and essentially anybody actively promoting these scam projects. if you see them with no red tags, start shouting about it so that DT members see them and tag them.
Thank you.

[bitfex.trade]

Stop the advertise of the ”XEONFRAME" scam! No one honest project will hack another accounts.

We created our own topic about BitFex exchange (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2710266) from this account. After this XEONFRAME hacked our account and began to spread messages about their scam ICO from our account “kovaleksandr”.

Look at the creator of the topic and history message of account "kovaleksandr". In the begin, it was a messages about the BitFex exchange. XEONFRAME is very brazen hackers and scammers!

All people, write to admin for block this scam project! This is link to post about this scam: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4476252.0

[The Cryptovator]

Good job. At least you collected all the existing scam those are already scamed. People should know scammers  & manager's too, it will help to avoid scam project promotion. OP should work also identify also new scammer. I would like to request all member's, before join any campaign please research minimum. Save your time & hard work money. Let's work for scam prevention.

[gefander]

Not Bad ) we need something like this.
Good job! I try to help you with this.

[Jericka D Ranillo]

Good list, some listed there is also I found it scam like english hub,and etc. This is a sign or reminder to be aware of participating in any ICO and bounty campaigns. Dont participate if you not do (DYOR). All we can do to avoid scams are to do research before joining. Check the team profile if real, this is one common way to know if legit or not. Mostly fake project dont have any video showing their real identity on public

[flying_bit]

Hi, Crypto Duel Coin is a scam. Seems legit with website, whitepaper and roadmap but when you  Look at the team, CEO is the 82 yrs old Unesco award recipient and Japan acclaimed artist Lee Ufan. Two other japanese(not sure nationality) are not known but pretty obvious it's a very old photo. Programmer picture is photoshop adding a little beard and making the person looks old. Other member I'm not sure if they are really involve or just like Lee Ufan, name ans photo just being used to take advantage of other people.
They are doing self drop.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4961273.0
https://cryptoduelcoin.com

[Veleor]

26/08/2018 Worldcore Manager - FintechEU, Reference

[Veleor]

01/09/2018 Dibbs Manager - THE DIBBS ICO, Reference
25/08/2018 IHERO Manager - cryptodemystified, Reference
18/08/2018 Abeona Manager - wertu, Reference
18/08/2018 EMJAC Manager - Bountiful, Reference
13/08/2018 QamblingChain Manager - QamblingChain, Reference
11/08/2018 1xBit Manager - 1xBit.com, Reference
07/08/2018 PeoplesToken Manager - zirconbasu18, Reference
01/08/2018 Listex Manager - listex, Reference
31/07/2018 Ethereum White Manager - ethereumwhiteproject, Reference
29/07/2018 OMNITUDE Manager - @MSteps, Reference
08/07/2018 Coal Coin Manager - Coal-Coin, Reference
07/07/2018 ChangeNOW Manager - ChangeNOW, Reference
16/06/2018 YOBIT Manager - YoBit, Reference

[tesla1994]

Good job!!! At least some members in this forum spend some time in order to expose these scammers.

[Papcio77]

Helpful topics, i do a review some of the project you listed there. Mostly we can determine a project which is good or scam by looking for the team members profile. Best are have social media accounts and have video proving their identity to public. Have doubt if no one of them have video.attending in conference is quite enough, less risk

[yaahubexchange]

Lately, thanks to the group members, scam projects are being detected very efficiently.
In this topic I plan on posting links to the projects, which were admitted to be fraudulent.

Merits, which were gotten from this topic, are used only to users in a fight with the merit scam

SCAM PROJECTS

SEPTEMBER
09/09/2018 MLT TOKEN Manager - TandyCarin, Reference
09/09/2018 TripEcoSys Manager - tripecosys, Reference
08/09/2018 TOPSCOIN Manager - Wipro, Reference
08/09/2018 TWECRYPTO Manager - bataoucheusma, Reference
07/09/2018 AMIGOCOIN Manager - Wipro, Reference
06/09/2018 StreamCash Manager - StreamCash, Reference
06/09/2018 FOLLOR Manager - follor, Reference
06/09/2018 LunarLink Manager - LunarLink, Reference
06/09/2018 GETMODER Manager - Wipro, Reference
05/09/2018 QovarCoin Manager - Qovar, Reference
05/09/2018 Cryptual Manager - Cryptual Limited, Reference
05/09/2018 Brotherlylend Manager - BrotherlyLend, Reference
05/09/2018 TorChain Manager - Sarzy15, Reference
05/09/2018 FasTrader Manager - fastrader, Reference
04/09/2018 DLEX Manager - DLEX Official, Reference
04/09/2018 Rethen Manager - fndsr, Reference
02/09/2018 vixcore Manager - vixcoretoken, Reference
02/09/2018 PLASMIUM Manager - http://plasmiumchain, Reference
01/09/2018 Dibbs Manager - THE DIBBS ICO, Reference

AUGUST
31/08/2018 Globfone Manager - globfoneOfficial, Reference
30/08/2018 Pumpkin Project Manager - Pumpkin Project, Reference
28/08/2018 SuperFruit Manager - SuperFruit, Reference
27/08/2018 GreenEminer Manager - celofiguj, Reference
27/08/2018 PENCHANT TOKEN Manager - Sircheat, Reference
27/08/2018 TRAVELUS TOKEN Manager - travelustoken, Reference
27/08/2018 Parkade Manager - kevinjongte, Reference
26/08/2018 Darkpicocoin Manager - DARKPICO, Reference
26/08/2018 PORNX Manager - PORN_coin, Reference
26/08/2018 Worldcore Manager - FintechEU, Reference
26/08/2018 COINTROOPS Manager - Cointroops, Reference
25/08/2018 CrowdIF Manager - CrowdIF, Reference
25/08/2018 Bit Money Manager - getbitmoney, Reference
23/08/2018 Vertix Manager - VertixICO, Reference
23/08/2018 AIZEUS COIN Manager - JesseHenderson, Reference
22/08/2018 Modorr Manager - coin_lover, Reference
22/08/2018 Yaahub Exchange Manager - spain cool, Reference
21/08/2018 SPAN-COIN Manager - Spancoin, Reference
20/08/2018 BITDOUBLE.CASINO Manager - Bitdouble coin, Reference
19/08/2018 YOBET Manager - yobetsupport, Reference
19/08/2018 Htfx.online Manager - icoalexanus, Reference
19/08/2018 KOALATOKEN Manager - hikoala, Reference
18/08/2018 Abeona Manager - wertu, Reference
18/08/2018 EMJAC Manager - Bountiful, Reference
18/08/2018 EMJAC Manager - Bountiful, Reference
17/08/2018 Support Chain Manager - Janisnader, Reference
17/08/2018 EXCOINS Manager - stronghandsdeeppockets, Reference
17/08/2018 MoonMarket Manager - Moonmarket, Reference
16/08/2018 Bitcoin Mixer Manager - doublemixer, Reference
16/08/2018 Easy Trading Platform Manager - easytrading0, Reference
15/08/2018 BLOCKKONNECT Manager - arnobs007, Reference
11/08/2018 HELP token Manager - last, Reference
11/08/2018 DIGITHOTH Manager - digithoth token, Reference
11/08/2018 N.Exchange Manager - Nexchange.co.uk, Reference
25/08/2018 n.exchange Manager - Nexchange.co.uk, Reference
10/08/2018 Officium Manager - KevinChangOfficium, Reference
09/08/2018 REGIXIUM Manager - catchmeabhi, Reference
09/08/2018 Veio Manager - Veio, Reference
07/08/2018 SWISH Manager - JohnEther, Reference
07/08/2018 Imbrication Manager - midnightjke, Reference
07/08/2018 SLICLide Manager - JohnEther, Reference
07/08/2018 BlockLine Manager - JohnEther, Reference
07/08/2018 ALFACoin Manager - alfacoin1, Reference
07/08/2018 Ethernet Cash Manager - ethernetcash, Reference
07/08/2018 Hoverex Manager - Hoverex, Reference
07/08/2018 Gec-coin Manager - alexroud, Reference
07/08/2018 SOCIBIT Manager - socibit, Reference
06/08/2018 DUNE Manager - Hwario, Reference
06/08/2018 BLOCKmall Manager - Fhejhaey, Reference
06/08/2018 NEO Finance Manager - Bounty_NEO Finance, Reference
05/08/2018 AbachaICO Manager - Abacha, Reference
05/08/2018 MORH Manager - morh.io, Reference
03/08/2018 Yudi Manager - YudiToken, Reference

JULY
31/07/2018 Ethereum White Manager - ethereumwhiteproject, Reference
25/07/2018 STRIX GLOBAL Manager - Ravi_MHW, Reference
25/07/2018 SF CAPITAL Manager - sfcapitalteamwork, Reference
25/07/2018 TEDCHAIN Manager - Darkwin, Reference
23/07/2018 HAMPORN Manager - Darkwin, Reference
23/07/2018 LEXZOOM Manager - Lexzoom Token, Reference
22/07/2018 CryptoRiya Manager - Bounty_Manager, Reference
20/07/2018 Coincooper Manager - Chris_Andy, Reference
20/07/2018 ZEXT Manager - sportbodik, Reference
17/07/2018 SupportChain Manager - Janisnader, Reference
17/07/2018 Wechain Network Manager - sunnydmd, Reference
17/07/2018 Yang Global Manager - yangglobal, Reference
16/07/2018 RECORD FOUNDATION Manager - Official Recordfoundation, Reference
16/07/2018 Cano Coin Manager - cano1, Reference
16/07/2018 Transtoken Manager - bons, Reference
15/07/2018 MeFy Manager - lowbander80, Reference
15/07/2018 ULTRIX Manager - ULTRIXcoin, Reference
15/07/2018 Ripple Lite Manager - Ripple Lite, Reference
15/07/2018 MessiCoin, Reference
14/07/2018 RubyCon Manager - mxstroitel, Reference
14/07/2018 Energy Planet Solution Manager - leraroza, Reference
14/07/2018 THE ENGLISH HUB Manager - cryptomyfuture143, Reference
14/07/2018 EQUITEN Manager - Aadhaya, Reference
12/07/2018 UPFINEX Manager - BarbieCasino, Reference
12/07/2018 BETLYCOIN Manager - BetlyCoin01, Reference
12/07/2018 Hashkon Manager - Hashkon, Reference
11/07/2018 NIMBUS Manager - nimbustoken, Reference
10/07/2018 Bitcoin Crown Manager - Bitcoin Crown Official, Reference
09/07/2018 HiroyukiCoinDark Manager - hiroyukicoin, Reference
09/07/2018 GigaHash Miner Manager - posiandu, Reference
08/07/2018 Coal Coin Manager - Coal-Coin, Reference
07/07/2018 ChangeNOW Manager - ChangeNOW, Reference
06/07/2018 QUIO.IO Manager - quioio, Reference
05/07/2018 MonetaBit Manager - johnabel19, Reference
04/07/2018 RIVA Manager - rivacoin, Reference
03/07/2018 LEXZOOM Manager - Lexzoom, Reference
02/07/2018 Easy Work Manager - EASYWORK.LIFE, Reference
01/07/2018 Vice Industry Token Manager - mr.garant , Reference

JUNE
29/06/2018 HEXCASH Manager - olcaytu2005, Reference
29/06/2018 ASGARD MINING Manager - asgardmint, Reference
28/06/2018 EGOLD Manager - Egoldtrade, Reference
21/06/2018 ONASANDER Manager - OnasanderICO, Reference
21/06/2018 IMPRESSIO Manager - olcaytu2005, Reference
17/06/2018 ARBITAO Manager - Arbitao, Reference
16/06/2018 ENERGZINE Manager - isaevaen, Reference
15/06/2018 Uchit Manager - MrPhil, Reference
15/06/2018 XeonFrame Manager - Wapinter Bounty Portal, Reference
14/06/2018 Tonal Quantum Manager - Tonal_Quantum, Reference
14/06/2018 BatmanToken Manager - BatmanToken, Reference
14/06/2018 BITMIXCOIN Manager - BITMIXCOIN.IO, Reference
13/06/2018 Xcov Manager - Arshe26, Reference
10/06/2018 CoinFast.win Faucet Manager - Coinfast Faucet, Reference
07/06/2018 KINGTOKEN Manager - kingtoken.co, Reference
06/06/2018 COINECT Manager - Coinect_Support, Reference
06/06/2018 GreenWorld Farm Manager - apoorvlathey, Reference
05/06/2018 GREENISH Manager - GreeCoin, Reference
03/06/2018 BITCONNEXT Manager - yokxashor, Reference

If you see the project, which is admitted to be a scam one, link it in the comments below and I will transfer it to this list.

We are directly representative  of YAAHUB ... The Bounty Manager ( YOU CAN CHECK THE TRUST WORTHINESS OF THE BOUNTY MANAGER) of this program has created the Bounty without we paying anything or neither he understanding the scope of this service ..

WE ARE NOT DOING ICO OF OUR COIN AS WE DO NOT REQUIRE ANY FUNDS OR INVESTMENT FROM OTHERS  , AND WE ARE SELLING OUR SERVICES ONLY ..

DISCLAIMER: YAAHUB TRADES AND PROCESS ITS SERVICES ONLY IN CRYPTOCURRENCIES. WE DO NOT PROCESS ANY FIAT CURRENCY AND THEIR PAYMENT GATEWAYS IN OUR WEBSITE.THIS ANNOUCEMENT IS SUBJECT FOR OFFERING OF OUR SERVICES ONLY.

WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANY ICOS  OR ANY SUCH ACTIVITY , WE ONLY WANTED TO PROMOTE OUR EXCHANGE. THE BOUNTY MANAGER OF THIS WILL BE TAKEN A LEGAL ACTION SHORTLY.

IN ADDITION TO THAT ALL THE BOUNTY HUNTERS ARE DIRECTLY CONTACT US ON TELEGRAM AND TO TAKE THEIR TOKENS OF WHAT THEY DESERVED (BUT IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT AS WE DO NOT HAVE ANY TRACK RECORD FOR THE SAME).BOUNTY HUNTER SUPPORT US AS IT REALLY COUNTS TO OUR DEVELOPMENT !!!

[gullu]

Hats off to you man. How did you compile this list? I mean I know its not an easy job. It will be very helpful for investors.
I am bookmarking this thread for future reference.

[Veleor]

Should this post would be appropriate if it would be on reputation section https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0 because it has nothing to do with service discussion yet its already been proven for these projects to be a scam. Ive seen some good managers attached on handling a scam project but well its totally inevitable if the project aims to scam on the very first place. Those are just a list of recent scams of this year and lots of projects had been skip of.

I think that this topic will be more correctly to send to the "Scam Accusation" board and to pin it there for a more convenient search.

[Ajad_Arsy]

Should this post would be appropriate if it would be on reputation section https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0 because it has nothing to do with service discussion yet its already been proven for these projects to be a scam. Ive seen some good managers attached on handling a scam project but well its totally inevitable if the project aims to scam on the very first place. Those are just a list of recent scams of this year and lots of projects had been skip of.

I think that this topic will be more correctly to send to the "Scam Accusation" board and to pin it there for a more convenient search.

I agree with you.
so investors can more easily find out which project is a scam. and also help bounty hunters to choose the bounty they will choose.

[Juliya_D]

Should this post would be appropriate if it would be on reputation section https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=129.0 because it has nothing to do with service discussion yet its already been proven for these projects to be a scam. Ive seen some good managers attached on handling a scam project but well its totally inevitable if the project aims to scam on the very first place. Those are just a list of recent scams of this year and lots of projects had been skip of.

I think that this topic will be more correctly to send to the "Scam Accusation" board and to pin it there for a more convenient search.

Topic moved to section Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations

[marlboroza]

Put it back in reputation, there is already one topic about the same thing here. There is no use of 2 topics about the same thing in one board, also, in my opinion this can be in both reputation and scam accusation. I don't think anyone would mind to see this topic in reputation, as it directly reflects on reputation about certain....people.

TBH ask moderator.

[Juliya_D]

Put it back in reputation, there is already one topic about the same thing here. There is no use of 2 topics about the same thing in one board, also, in my opinion this can be in both reputation and scam accusation. I don't think anyone would mind to see this topic in reputation, as it directly reflects on reputation about certain....people.

In the last path:  Trading Discussion > Reputation

[Veleor]

18/09/2018 Velox Project Manager lin0sspice, Reference
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This user (which is a hacked accounts) runs a fraudulent project called Velox [VLX], and uses shady methods to create a fake buzz around it (i.e. shill accounts, paid voting etc.).
The project is very likely a SCAM and everyone should stay away from it.