[ANN][WOLF] Project WOLF

[xyzzts1]

Please p.m. me with the exact amount of WOLF you are holding so we can decide on  how many coins WOLF2(not the actual name) will have.

Also please add any ideas you have for WOLF2 to the p.m. We need as much brainstorming as possible.  Also if any of you know a very solid Dev please let me know. We will have to get a new developer who can actually produce, and who is already trusted by the community.

I think Poloniex exchange can be directly?How many wolves, can directly contact Poloniex owners see the number of wolves.This is the most simple and most direct the most fair

Hey. I will contact poloniex and see how many coins are on the exchange.  The only thing that makes me worry about that though is InsanityDev's WOLF being on there. He is not welcome to take part in this transfer.  I am only offering this to members of the community that hold WOLF.

If you know any traders who are holding WOLF please tell them to contact me with their total. Also where are your WOLF located? On Polo or in a wallet?

In poloniex, but there is no hanging wall.I think everyone will be in touch with you and when they saw the news

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[Zeegeuze]

Mine is all on Polo as well .

[acseric]

Pompobit, I believe the dev started with good intentions.  From what i have gathered.... Phase 1 did not go as planned and there was at least one very big investor who pushed him to change up the game. By changing it up he made a lot of smaller investors angry,  he then had to hear it from both sides and I believe it became overwhelming so instead of dealing with it he just started disappearing. 

Stinks for us, but it is now time to fix this. The dev transferred the source to me. I have been private messaging members of the forum and getting input. I've received some very good advice.  I believe our best way forward is to create a new coin and allow an exchange of WOLF to our new coin. I need everyone to PM me their exact amount of WOLF so we know how many are left.

Even if what you say is true, he deserves to be publicly exposed.  Failure to release his information implies that you feel that what he did was not criminal.  It was.  Why would you protect someone who did that?   

[Zeegeuze]

Pompobit, I believe the dev started with good intentions.  From what i have gathered.... Phase 1 did not go as planned and there was at least one very big investor who pushed him to change up the game. By changing it up he made a lot of smaller investors angry,  he then had to hear it from both sides and I believe it became overwhelming so instead of dealing with it he just started disappearing. 

Stinks for us, but it is now time to fix this. The dev transferred the source to me. I have been private messaging members of the forum and getting input. I've received some very good advice.  I believe our best way forward is to create a new coin and allow an exchange of WOLF to our new coin. I need everyone to PM me their exact amount of WOLF so we know how many are left.

Even if what you say is true, he deserves to be publicly exposed.  Failure to release his information implies that you feel that what he did was not criminal.  It was.  Why would you protect someone who did that?   

You can PM NewDev, and he will give you the info of the Old Dev. Up to you what you do with it.

[Zeegeuze]

This might be a stupid idea, as I’m not a tech guy… Sorry for that in advance… But I was thinking something in order to have our coin stand out from the rest, and give it a future on the long term:

As far as I understand did all systems start with Bitcoin, and did other coins copy the code and improved it. Litecoin made it faster, Darkcoin made it secure/private, NXT (not a clone) having all kinds of advantages with the system, Anoncoin made it anonymous, Ethereum is doing nice things as well … Every coin changed something to make it stand out. I don’t think there is any coin yet combining all good features of different coins, and adapting them with new invented features in the future. Every time something new gets invented, people create a new coin. Wouldn’t there be an opportunity here for a coin combining all good features of ‘every’ coin now and in the future? This might make us stand out, and theoretically give us the fastest, most secure,… coin with most added features for payment, FB tipping,...
 
If this means we will need to fork the coin to implement them, we can include this feature in the code before we start, so make it easy and painless to fork. Not sure if automatic forks exist ;-).

We could call it ‘Future’ [FUTUR] or [FTR], something with next generation (which might be dangerous to confuse with NXT), Combine [COMBI] or whatever.

Just a thought…

[NewWolfDev]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

[xyzzts1]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

Yes, man, this is a good news.At least now have a goal, and be in progress

[LostWind]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

Yes, man, this is a good news.At least now have a goal, and be in progress

God bless us! And  best  wishes to the NewDev!

[Pompobit]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

how did you get this? I see only 78472.93231449 WOLF on the sell side...
And 375519 seems a bit too much, how many weeks the game has been played, 3? 4? Except the first week (that gathered ~70 xbt) 100 btc worth of wolf were sold, so a total of 470000 or 370000 wolf. On the sunday events more than half of this total was destroyed, so in a conservative estimate no more than ~200k wolf should be in circulation now, assuming no other transaction but the devs ones (each transaction outside poloniex caused a 10% fee).

[Zeegeuze]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

how did you get this? I see only 78472.93231449 WOLF on the sell side...
And 375519 seems a bit too much, how many weeks the game has been played, 3? 4? Except the first week (that gathered ~70 xbt) 100 btc worth of wolf were sold, so a total of 470000 or 370000 wolf. On the sunday events more than half of this total was destroyed, so in a conservative estimate no more than ~200k wolf should be in circulation now, assuming no other transaction but the devs ones (each transaction outside poloniex caused a 10% fee).

We only have proof of destruction of the first weeks. The coins of the last Insanity Sundays might have survived, or sold of by Old Dev. Also some bag holders don't put sell orders. For example the bag holder with all those 1000 wolf sell orders doesn't have them on sale now, so they won't appear in the total on Polo.

[xyzzts1]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

how did you get this? I see only 78472.93231449 WOLF on the sell side...
And 375519 seems a bit too much, how many weeks the game has been played, 3? 4? Except the first week (that gathered ~70 xbt) 100 btc worth of wolf were sold, so a total of 470000 or 370000 wolf. On the sunday events more than half of this total was destroyed, so in a conservative estimate no more than ~200k wolf should be in circulation now, assuming no other transaction but the devs ones (each transaction outside poloniex caused a 10% fee).

So Dev would have no credit, and now it seems that he didn't press any plan to destroy the Wolf, he is a liar.
If he really has a promise, he won't refuse to disclose records and details

[NewWolfDev]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

how did you get this? I see only 78472.93231449 WOLF on the sell side...
And 375519 seems a bit too much, how many weeks the game has been played, 3? 4? Except the first week (that gathered ~70 xbt) 100 btc worth of wolf were sold, so a total of 470000 or 370000 wolf. On the sunday events more than half of this total was destroyed, so in a conservative estimate no more than ~200k wolf should be in circulation now, assuming no other transaction but the devs ones (each transaction outside poloniex caused a 10% fee).

So Dev would have no credit, and now it seems that he didn't press any plan to destroy the Wolf, he is a liar.
If he really has a promise, he won't refuse to disclose records and details

If people want to know his information they can pm me. Once they have his information they can do whatever they would like with it. I just don't feel right about publicly releasing it myself.

[Zeegeuze]

Hey guys,
     There are 375519.46038072 WOLF on Polo. I haven't gotten anywhere near that amount yet from traders' totals so there must still be a good amount of WOLF holders who have not contacted me. Please let everyone you know(who has traded WOLF before) what is going on so we can make sure everyone is able to switch once we are ready.

how did you get this? I see only 78472.93231449 WOLF on the sell side...
And 375519 seems a bit too much, how many weeks the game has been played, 3? 4? Except the first week (that gathered ~70 xbt) 100 btc worth of wolf were sold, so a total of 470000 or 370000 wolf. On the sunday events more than half of this total was destroyed, so in a conservative estimate no more than ~200k wolf should be in circulation now, assuming no other transaction but the devs ones (each transaction outside poloniex caused a 10% fee).

I contacted Tristan from Polo and he gave me the total number of WOLF in their wallets. InsanityDev must have kept the coins bought back to "destroy" and sold them on the market. That explains why there were more coins on the orderbooks than the dev said were in circulation,  block explorer was taken down, he wouldn't release coin destruction proof, and he stopped replying to me once I pushed him for that information.

So we are now looking at a full blown scam of possibly 100s  of Bitcoins instead of just 4 or 5 from phase 2.

That's what I saw coming the last days... Had more and more suspicion that's why he disappeared. If you think logically, that was the only possibility on how the Old Dev could have some profit on this coin. He couldn't have done all this for free without even owning coins himself (as he said we would purchase some, meaning he didn't got them yet).

[liteuser]

I've setup a block explorer to check the blockchain.

http://107.170.34.201:2750/chain/Insanitycoin

There are currently: 394934.21821708 WOLF

Remember that each block mined gives 0.48 WOLF.

The following has all been implemented:

• 2 minute blocks, 12 hour diff retarget
• removal of percentage based fee, replace with a traditional fixed 0.002 WOLF fee
• a block reward of 0.48 WOLF for 17 weeks, this will produce 27417.6 WOLF (1612.8 per week)
• a block reward of 0.24 WOLF for 26 weeks, this will produce 20966.4 (806.4 per week)
• a permanent block reward of 0.12 WOLF thereafter (this will produce 20966.4 per year)

Let's check previous coin destruction by InsanityDev:

Insanity Sunday - Week 1 Results

Summary

• Total Pot: 79.52639466 BTC
• Total Acquired: 43940.88047998 WOLF
• Percentage Acquired Back: 55.25% of WOLF sold.
• Average Price: 80.98% over base (0.001809845 BTC)
• Maximum Price: 125% over base (0.00225 BTC)
• Minimum Price: 45% over base (0.00145 BTC)
• Market Activity: ~$85,000 USD (134 BTC @ $630)
• Peak Market Cap: $1,273,100 USD (((987947.27558637 /11)*10)*0.00225)*630
• Trade List: http://5.9.111.71/results/w1/trades.csv

...

Coin Destruction
Total to Destroy: 43940.88047998
destroyed: 363.36363636
destroyed: 39946.5277091
destroyed: 3630.98913454

You can see the money supply decreasing here, here, and again here

You can see it here now, as the above links won't work: http://107.170.34.201:2750/chain/Insanitycoin?count=100&hi=4424
(see the outstanding column)

Insanity Sunday - Week 2 Results

Summary

• Total Pot: 100 BTC
• Total Acquired: 75185.33554462 WOLF
• Percentage Acquired Back: 75.185% of WOLF sold.
• Average Price: 32.74% over base (0.00132739 BTC)
• Maximum Price: 43.7% over base (0.001437 BTC)
• Minimum Price: 10% over base (0.0011 BTC)
• Trade List: http://5.9.111.71/results/w2/trades.csv

Coin Destruction
Total to Destroy: 75185.33554462 WOLF

• -6834.84868587 http://5.9.111.71:2750/block/94b1679a8e9a26637cf4f62c752d4c694a04ac3c6e0ff6ca4d3642b12345f980
• -68348.48685874 http://5.9.111.71:2750/block/e0593b35f8fc6cda3083db07618916fe3250788712c6888bc6d4c24849d130e3
• Total Destroyed: 75183.3355446 (less poloniex withdrawal fees)

You can check the money supply descreasing here: http://107.170.34.201:2750/chain/Insanitycoin?count=50&hi=6830

Insanity Sunday - Week 3 Results

Summary

• Total Pot: 100 BTC
• Total Acquired: 83,328.15395436 WOLF
• Percentage Acquired Back: 83.328% of WOLF sold.
• Average Price: 10.052% over base (0.00110052 BTC)
• Maximum Price: 17.5% over base (0.001175 BTC)
• Minimum Price: 0% over base (0.001 BTC)
• Max Reported Profit: 62% by actively trading (others may have achieved higher)
• Trade List: http://5.9.111.71/results/w3/trades.csv

Coin Destruction
Total to Destroy: 83,328.15395436 WOLF

• -75752.8672312 http://5.9.111.71:2750/block/e1f1b5334fc8d0066b97c36fad9759550dd18f99bb19f78c62388a7b1a68680f
• -7575.19581403 http://5.9.111.71:2750/block/10361b42b6f90205cad789234a4ec8e2497042f5e499965e9e8c3d6aed0ba2e7
• -0.09090909 http://5.9.111.71:2750/block/39262801717d39a8a821689b90958f581e70dc231a72d2a02ade5af716db54d2
• Total Destroyed: 83328.15395432

Here: http://107.170.34.201:2750/chain/Insanitycoin?hi=9961

Insanity Sunday - Week 4 Results

• Total Pot: 100 BTC
• Total Acquired: 82,766.1196885 WOLF
• Percentage Acquired Back: 82.76% of WOLF sold.
• Trade List: http://5.9.111.71/results/w4/trades.txt

Coin Destruction
Total to Destroy: 82,766.1196885 WOLF

• -7524.35697389 http://5.9.111.71:2750/block/11b7ddde875af34a1bc614d4073a45f13ca5dd63465d7bd11570ff5523e6011d
• -75243.569739 http://5.9.111.71:2750/block/b38f7684fb6afa1ea01ce3f99510a8b3d78ea4321db38b5bad9e344e482ff840
• Total Destroyed: 82767.9267129 (slightly too much by 1.80702439!)

Insanity Sunday - Week 5 Results

• Total Pot: 100 BTC
• Total Acquired: 73,440.58716197 WOLF
• Percentage Acquired Back: 73.44% of WOLF sold.
• Trade List: http://5.9.111.71/results/w5/trades.txt

Coin Destruction
Total to Destroy: 73,440.58716197 WOLF
pending destruction

Here week 4: http://107.170.34.201:2750/chain/Insanitycoin?hi=14132

AFAIK week 5 destruction never happened ... 73,440.58716197 WOLF should have been destroyed.

Here we stop the Insanity Sundays and there are 666,414.34261042 WOLF still around.

And finally: http://107.170.34.201:2750/chain/Insanitycoin?hi=39496

250,000 WOLF has been destroyed in block 55e34fdb277f0d70bbac1564cf04a5db9b332c994e4150fe874f21b2efdf8de1 using transaction e5dc607e543f89d42a6162c6833621708f955cbc27847fa703e0f715284c79ff.

An additional 11 WOLF was destroyed by test transactions.

update: checkpoints at block 35000 added and main nodes updated

This is here: http://107.170.34.201:2750/chain/Insanitycoin?hi=39496

And we arrive to our final value of 394,934.21821708 WOLF as of today.

As you can see, InsanityDev destroyed the coins, except for week 5 that he forgot when phase 2 started.

[dwm]

Old Dev did not destroy the coins he bought back in Week5, and where is the 80000 coins after old Dev destroy the 250000 coins?

[Pompobit]

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nice analysis, thank you.

By the way I didn't mean the dev hadn't destroyed the coins, I meant that 350k+ coins weren't supposed to be on poloniex, because there only should be the amount unsold from insanity Sundays and something mined in the last weeks (less than 5k).
So it seems the old dev sent the WOLF left on poloniex... but that's a bit shady...

[NewWolfDev]

Liteuser, Thank you so much for doing that for us. It is very much appreciated. 

[liteuser]

Old Dev did not destroy the coins he bought back in Week5, and where is the 80000 coins after old Dev destroy the 250000 coins?

I guess they are either in poloniex or part of the 25k coins destroyed later.

[NewWolfDev]

Hey guys. InsanityDev has contacted me by email. I will ask him to post publicly in this thread. I will not reveal the details of the email but I can tell you that I have just gained a great deal of respect for InsanityDev. His email to me was very genuine and now I ask that you hear him out if he is willing to post here.We will move ahead according to plan, but I believe InsanityDev may be able to help us.

[Zeegeuze]

I would love to hear old dev, and have a proper explanation. The main problem is the lack of information from him over the last months, so an explanation might be the start.