Crimea

[Nemo1024]

NATO's GenSec Rassmussen urgers Russia to give Crimea away to Ukraine (I can't call it "give back" as Crimea has already returned back to Russia):
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1234903?utm_medium=rss20

NATO really want that base in Sevastopol... And more civilian victims and blood on their hands.

[bryant.coleman]

More children from the Donbass region have arrived as refugees in Crimea.

Astakhov: more than 830 children, evacuated from Ukraine arrived in Crimea

http://ria.ru/society/20140603/1010472227.html

[Nemo1024]

And on that topic - Crimea awaits 2000 more refugees from the South-East:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1401791989

[bryant.coleman]

Whining is not yet over.

Giorgi Margvelashvili – Russia didn’t pay political price for Georgia’s occupation

http://www.interpressnews.ge/en/politicss/58207-giorgi-margvelashvili--russia-didnt-pay-political-price-for-georgias-occupation.html

[niothor]

The most interesting thing right now is the way you two guys post...
Now really , do you really have an order on how you do this .

I am joking but if you check the last 3 pages , it's nemo  , bryna , nemo , bryan , etc

Back on the subject , have they already cleared the mess in the news about that canal water debit and it's impact on the agriculture?

Last time rt published 3 different figures , I wonder if they come out with new ones.

[Nemo1024]

I guess it's my turn to answer.
Welcome back, was starting to miss some intelligent opposition.

As for water, there was an item on it, where UN was acknowledging the problem, but as far as I remember no specific figures were given.

[niothor]

I guess it's my turn to answer.
Welcome back, was starting to miss some intelligent opposition.

As for water, there was an item on it, where UN was acknowledging the problem, but as far as I remember no specific figures were given.

Well , those are the figures that made me thinking something si wrong:

First we have 85%

Before Crimea joined Russia in March, Ukraine provided up to 85 percent of the peninsula’s water needs, through the canal stretching from the Dnepr River

And it's 85 of water needs , maybe including the water we normally use daily

Then we have this :

Crimean farmers are estimated to lose up to 5 billion rubles ($140 million), according to Russia's Agriculture Ministry.
According to the Crimean Economic Development and Trade Ministry, the agriculture sector is responsible for around 10 percent of Crimea's economy, estimated at $4.3 billion in 2012.

So they will lose at least 30% of all the crops with , almost no water for irrigation?

It doesn't really fit , especially with a heat wave coming in june , july and with lots of rice cultures?
Also 30% is not the same with all of the arable land being hit by this and harvest fully lost.

But , rt is making a joke of numbers when doing reports , remember the visa ban ?


Ps,
I truly deserved my 15 days off...
Too much trolling in the altcoin section .

[bryant.coleman]

So they will lose at least 30% of all the crops with , almost no water for irrigation?

It doesn't really fit , especially with a heat wave coming in june , july and with lots of rice cultures?
Also 30% is not the same with all of the arable land being hit by this and harvest fully lost.

Only around half of the Crimean agricultural land is irrigated. The remainder is mostly rain-fed, especially the wheat and barley fields. And some of the irrigation water is provided by the rivers originating within the Crimean peninsula. However, almost the entire irrigated crops in the Northern (and North-west) part of the Republic might be ruined due to the lack of water.

[Nemo1024]

I would also get the build-up of infrastructure into account - additional deep water wells are being drilled. So, as Bryant said, it's the Northern drylands that are most exposed. The Southern part gets enough rainfall what with the tropical climate there.


See also:
http://blog.kudarom.com.ua/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/008-3-.jpg


Ukraine has filed a lawsuit with European Court on Human Rights against Russian concerning Crimea:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/06/03/n_6204409.shtml
Jatsenjuk says they also plan to file more lawsuites against Russia for robbing Ukraine.

[bryant.coleman]

Here is a map of the canal network in Crimea.



Have to agree that large parts in the North-east and North-west depends upon the Canal.

Some basic facts about agriculture in Crimea:

1. Agricultural land occupies 71% of the total area, compared to just 11% classified as forest lands.
2. Average rainfall is 407 mm per year (less than half of the crop requirements).
3. Total annual average river flow in Crimea is 0.91 cubic km, which is not enough to cover the irrigation requirements.
4. Agriculture consumes 82.4% of all the water supplies.
5. The Northern Crimean Canal (NCC) provides 72.9% of all the water supplies.

[niothor]

Here is a map of the canal network in Crimea.



Have to agree that large parts in the North-east and North-west depends upon the Canal.

Some basic facts about agriculture in Crimea:

1. Agricultural land occupies 71% of the total area, compared to just 11% classified as forest lands.
2. Average rainfall is 407 mm per year (less than half of the crop requirements).
3. Total annual average river flow in Crimea is 0.91 cubic km, which is not enough to cover the irrigation requirements.
4. Agriculture consumes 82.4% of all the water supplies.
5. The Northern Crimean Canal (NCC) provides 72.9% of all the water supplies.

Thanks for the additional info , but can you then explain what is wrong with this one?
http://rt.com/news/158028-ukraine-water-supply-crimea/

Either the article is full of mistakes or your info it's not better.

See the difference on the 72% to 85% ?
Was that added by the rt reporters just to add more drama?

[Nemo1024]

Russian Wikipedia has some statistics:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BE-%D0%9A%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%BB

80% of the flow is used for agriculture, from which 60% is used for rice production.

Here is another article on drinking water sources in Crimea with more stats:
http://www.ukstech.com/analytics/ecology-statistics/eco-statistics-crimea/371-istochniki-pitevogo-vodosnabjeniya-v-krimu.html

Found 85% of the total supply mentioned in Pravda:
http://www.pravda.ru/news/districts/south/crimea/16-05-2014/1208327-crimea-0/


And a small curiosity while I was searching for some stats:
http://www.lovehate.ru/opinions/76453
The posts on the first page are from 2003-2007 and the "love" side of those responded positively to return of Crimea to Russia are a prophetic read.

13/02/07, Hunter
B oчepeднoй paз coглaшycь. Пepeдaчa Кpымa Укpaинe...тyт вce зaкoннo! He пoпишeшь. Ho я вce жe cклoняюcь к мнeнию, чтo тaк или инaчe Кpым oпять вepнeтcя в Poccию. Mнe тaк кaжeтcя. Hyжeн oн кoнeчнo вceм, дa и Typции в тoм чиcлe, oнa тoжe нa нeгo дaвниe иcтopичecкиe пpeтeнзии имeeт. Boт тoлькo мнe нaчинaeт кaзaтьcя, чтo Pyccкиe в Кpымy тaк или инaчe пoдвeдyт пoлyocтpoв к oтдeлeнию oт Укpaины. Boзмoжнo этo бyдeт Чeчня, вoзмoжнo Aбxaзия. He знaю. Ho нyтpo чyвcтвyeт xoлoдoк пpиближeния имeннo тaкoй paзвязки. И. Кpeндeлфил. Boпpoc cтacyca Кpымa впoлнe peaльнo peшить Peфepeндyмoм. Hyжнo лишь пoднять вoпpoc. A cyть... Cyть в тoм, чтo бopьбa зa Кpым нe зaкoнчитcя eщe дoлгo. И в тoм, чтo нaм oн бoлee дopoг чeм вaм, a пoтoмy бopьбa нe зaкoнчитcя oчeнь oчeнь oчeнь дoлгo..

From 2007: He says he has a gut feeling that the Russians in Crimea will somehow manage to steer the peninsula back to Russia. However he fears a violent process. Luckily he was wrong on that account...

Wow... Reading those posts from 7-10 years back is like reading about the situation this year...

[bryant.coleman]

See the difference on the 72% to 85% ?
Was that added by the rt reporters just to add more drama?

Here is my source:

http://www.waterfoodecosystems.nl/docs/WaterMuk/report_alterra_assel.pdf

Seems to be more accurate than RT.

[Nemo1024]

As a response to Poroshenko, a chocolate company from Siberia started production of confects under the name of "Crimea - just you try to take it!"
http://an-crimea.ru/page/news/63676/



 

[Nemo1024]

Bridge to Crimea will go over Tuzla land tongue:

http://novorossia.su/node/2363

[Balthazar]

I remember that USSR have already built a bridge there... But this bridge was destroyed by earthquake.

[Nemo1024]

I remember that USSR have already built a bridge there... But this bridge was destroyed by earthquake.

The region is seismically active. However, the technology that exists now for such construction projects is far more advanced.

Found this article:
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82_%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7_%D0%9A%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%87%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B2
The bridge from 1944 was destroyed by ice.

[niothor]

As a response to Poroshenko, a chocolate company from Siberia started production of confects under the name of "Crimea - just you try to take it!"
http://an-crimea.ru/page/news/63676/



 

Now , if they would only accept bitcoin and ship the other side of the world at a reasonable price

[bryant.coleman]

Now , if they would only accept bitcoin and ship the other side of the world at a reasonable price

Russia is a net importer of chocolate. The main sources are Ukraine and Lithuania.

Also, Russian chocolate is more expensive when compared to that in other nations.

[niothor]

Now , if they would only accept bitcoin and ship the other side of the world at a reasonable price

Russia is a net importer of chocolate. The main sources are Ukraine and Lithuania.

Also, Russian chocolate is more expensive when compared to that in other nations.

Last summer Russia was engaged in a campaign to dissuade Ukraine from aligning with the EU. Poroshenko was strongly backing the EU trade agreement at the time. The Russian ban on imports of his chocolate reportedly cost him millions of dollars.

The stakes got even higher last month, when Russian authorities closed a Roshen chocolate factory in the Russian city of Lipetsk after a court found the company guilty of trademark violations. Roshen is appealing the decision.

But Russia's recent assault on imported chocolate is nothing new. The country's consumer product agency has long been accused of banning certain foreign products for political reasons. It recently banned dairy products from Ukraine, and last year blocked dairy products from Lithuania, at a time when tensions were high with the Baltic nation.

Now , who's the bad guy and who is blackmailing who ?
=)))

I'm pretty sure that rt will claim they were using Soylent Green for making the chocolate.