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June 20, 2012, 01:18:05 AM
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I think he's lending everything to dank, who is paying him back 300% every 3 minutes, as soon as he gets rid of his 60 BTC loan.

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June 20, 2012, 01:31:12 AM
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+1 waltmarkers! Definitely one of the soundest theories I've seen floated around here.

Ponzi isn't sound?

Ponzi is plenty sound, it's just one hell of a long con. My theory lines up with his previous statements (I sat down and read all of his posts), and explains why in bitcoin terms this has been going on for an eternity.

He discovered bitcoin, tried his hand at lending online, then figured out it was FAR more profitable to just sell coins for cash offline. I just can't figure out how he can get that much fiat into banks without any issues. $9,000 in cash to every major bank in town gives him a max capacity of $180,000 a week at the very high end (20 banks). Possibly double that if he has a partner. Assuming 20 banks, that would give him a max capacity of ~25,000 bitcoins by himself, but we know he has more than that based solely on pirate pass throughs on GLBSE. That's all one huge scale up for him in the last month. He either took on a partner, or has some other hard cash to exchange method I haven't thought of yet. (But that's why he pulls in ~$7K (at a 10% markup, 21K at 15%) a week just from the cash he's moving through the GLBSE pass throughs.)
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June 20, 2012, 01:38:03 AM
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+1 waltmarkers! Definitely one of the soundest theories I've seen floated around here.

Its either that or hes silk road's mixer Smiley

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June 20, 2012, 01:41:32 AM
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Hey waltmarkers, take your shit elsewhere.

Tons of other members have had NO problems creating their own threads to cry and whine in, so take a queue from them and DO THE SAME.

If you don't have a BTCST Investment DIRECTLY WITH PIRATE...fuck off.

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June 20, 2012, 01:45:00 AM
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Hey waltmarkers, take your shit elsewhere.

Tons of other members have had NO problems creating their own threads to cry and whine in, so take a queue from them and DO THE SAME.

If you don't have a BTCST Investment DIRECTLY WITH PIRATE@40...fuck off.

I don't have a problem with it. I thought my view would make people more comfortable than a ponzi. As far as I can tell, he's no more or less exposed to risk than the man selling $500K in diamonds a week for cash to a repeat buyer.

Note I said in my first post, if Pirate has a problem with my guess of what he's doing, I'd happily edit / delete any / all posts.
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June 20, 2012, 01:49:07 AM
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Hey waltmarkers, take your shit elsewhere.

Tons of other members have had NO problems creating their own threads to cry and whine in, so take a queue from them and DO THE SAME.

If you don't have a BTCST Investment DIRECTLY WITH PIRATE@40...fuck off.

I don't have a problem with it. I thought my view would make people more comfortable than a ponzi. As far as I can tell, he's no more or less exposed to risk than the man selling $500K in diamonds a week for cash to a repeat buyer.

Note I said in my first post, if Pirate has a problem with my guess of what he's doing, I'd happily edit / delete any / all posts.

your theory does make sense, ignore that idiot
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June 20, 2012, 01:53:14 AM
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Hey waltmarkers, take your shit elsewhere.

Tons of other members have had NO problems creating their own threads to cry and whine in, so take a queue from them and DO THE SAME.

If you don't have a BTCST Investment DIRECTLY WITH PIRATE@40...fuck off.

I don't have a problem with it. I thought my view would make people more comfortable than a ponzi. As far as I can tell, he's no more or less exposed to risk than the man selling $500K in diamonds a week for cash to a repeat buyer.

Note I said in my first post, if Pirate has a problem with my guess of what he's doing, I'd happily edit / delete any / all posts.

your theory does make sense, ignore that idiot

Thanks for taking the time to read the history before running your mouth.  Lots of people have skipped the hard research and spread FUD, which is why bitlane is making an ass of himself.  Forgive him, he's just tired.

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June 20, 2012, 01:56:07 AM
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Hey waltmarkers, take your shit elsewhere.

Tons of other members have had NO problems creating their own threads to cry and whine in, so take a queue from them and DO THE SAME.

If you don't have a BTCST Investment DIRECTLY WITH PIRATE@40...fuck off.

I don't have a problem with it. I thought my view would make people more comfortable than a ponzi. As far as I can tell, he's no more or less exposed to risk than the man selling $500K in diamonds a week for cash to a repeat buyer.

Note I said in my first post, if Pirate has a problem with my guess of what he's doing, I'd happily edit / delete any / all posts.

your theory does make sense, ignore that idiot

Thanks for taking the time to read the history before running your mouth.  Lots of people have skipped the hard research and spread FUD, which is why bitlane is making an ass of himself.  Forgive him, he's just tired.

Must be. He's usually one of the most sensible people on the forums.

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June 20, 2012, 03:24:07 AM
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so now does pirate's business model include buying bitcoins constantly? haven't found any answer yet around here... beginning at the lows last winter, did he perhaps even rescue Bitcoin singlefootedly?  Shocked
I pretty sure that the last thing the pirate does is buying bitcoins Smiley

He obviously lends them out to some other people at higher interests, without being nosy on where they get the bitcoins from.
Ot it's a ponzi...
Either of the two - feel free to choose your believes, I'm still not quite sure about mine Smiley


Isn't it clear what he does? He's said as much on other threads. People lend him bitcoins that he then sells for hard currency locally at a (significant) markup. Whoever buys those coins more than likely sends them to a third party, who converts them back to fiat (possibly another fiat).

Pirate moves his currency back into bitcoins. More than likely Pirate is never in fiat more than a day or two, leaving him minimally exposed to bitcoin / fiat pair volatility risk.

Pirate's customer has a steady need to send currency through bitcoins on a regular basis, for payment for some ongoing good or service. These customers are paying a significant premium for this service, likely 10% or more. That's why Pirate can afford to pay 7 points per week. As long as pirate's customers' business grows (or they move more bitcoins through him) he can afford to keep paying 7% indefinitely. It is likely that at some point he may have to close to new deposits (as he has done in the past).

Bitcoin is a easy way to move large amounts of currency without the use of banks or walking large amounts of cash through airports. Hell, it's better than diamonds or art. Sure is more liquid.

He's doing exactly what he says he does, arbitrage with a very short term loan (The loan is as fast as he can turn hard currency to bitcoin).

(If I've stepped a little too close to home, please let me know and I'll edit / delete my post.)

Most sound explanation of pirate's swashbuckling ways lately - that would also explain why a 10% ROI weekly is possible without going into illegal ways.

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June 20, 2012, 07:44:21 AM
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. beginning at the lows last winter, did he perhaps even rescue Bitcoin singlefootedly?  Shocked

I don't think bitcoin was going to crash, I think he accelerated the demand for bitcoin and caused part of the rise we're seing. But they were others factors which likely contributed as well (the good wife episode for example). No I think bitcoin is an idea whose time has come, as they say.

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June 20, 2012, 08:54:26 AM
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He obviously lends them out to some other people at higher interests, without being nosy on where they get the bitcoins from.
Isn't it clear what he does? He's said as much on other threads. People lend him bitcoins that he then sells for hard currency locally at a (significant) markup. Whoever buys those coins more than likely sends them to a third party, who converts them back to fiat (possibly another fiat).
Pirate moves his currency back into bitcoins. More than likely Pirate is never in fiat more than a day or two, leaving him minimally exposed to bitcoin / fiat pair volatility risk.
Well, that's basically what I said. What you have described is in fact lending bitcoins, using a USD deposit as a collateral.
It's obviously not the dollars that makes the interest rate so high - its the bitcoins.

Plus, I don't know what kind of financial regulations they have in Texas, but keeping in mind that it's not a 3rd world country, my guess would be that lending USD for over 7% interest per week, would be pretty much illegal. Unless he was JP Morgan - then it could still be illegal, but nobody cares. Smiley
In the meantime lending bitcoins at any interest is not illegal yet, because according to law they are no more of a money than a gold from my stash in Diablo 3. Smiley

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June 20, 2012, 10:57:40 AM
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Hi,
Is it still possible to open an account with BTCST? I am very much interested, I just don't know anyone who could refer me. :/

If anybody wants to chat to get to know me a bit, contact me via PN please.


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Plus, I don't know what kind of financial regulations they have in Texas, but keeping in mind that it's not a 3rd world country, my guess would be that lending USD for over 7% interest per week, would be pretty much illegal. ...

I found this link about Texas Usury law:  https://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/loans.shtml

One month, less than $189 pawn shop loans are restricted by law to be less than %240 (4.67% weekly).

Of course that is of no consequence unless the other party complains.

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June 20, 2012, 11:22:59 AM
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Hi,
Is it still possible to open an account with BTCST? I am very much interested, I just don't know anyone who could refer me. :/

If anybody wants to chat to get to know me a bit, contact me via PN please.

The way to go now, especially if you plan on investing < BTC2,000 is one of the many pirate pass throughs, on GLBSE you can find the PPT issues that have a 25% insurance from 6 high rep guys & pay excellent interest on a 4 week bond, there is also goat's TYGRR.B-P paying about 6.6% (if you buy @ 1.02) - 6.8% per week. Lenders forum has PAYB.TC - Bitcoinmax with the best rate of 6.9% on any amounts over BTC10 per week, see Starfish/Patrick's 'Who offers what' 'Who Pays What' thread for others.

Edit @m_yaw If you do happen to wish to invest > BTC2,000 & plan on leaving it there for at least 3 months then feel free to PM me re a possible referral with a little more info about youself & what you're planing/hoping to do, thanks.

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June 20, 2012, 02:58:41 PM
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Hi,
Is it still possible to open an account with BTCST? I am very much interested, I just don't know anyone who could refer me. :/

If anybody wants to chat to get to know me a bit, contact me via PM please.


Just PM pirateat40 directly. Never mind, misread the OP.

You can buy some shares of a passthrough on GLBSE such as FOO.PPPPT (0.07 BTC/week) or TYGRR.BOND-P (0.068 BTC/week). You could also go through a passthrough mentioned on Who Pays What? as Otoh suggested.

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Hi,
Is it still possible to open an account with BTCST? I am very much interested, I just don't know anyone who could refer me. :/

If anybody wants to chat to get to know me a bit, contact me via PM please.


Just PM pirateat40 directly.

Otherwise buy some shares of a passthrough on GLBSE such as FOO.PPPPT (0.07 BTC/week) or TYGRR.BOND-P (0.068 BTC/week). You could also go through a passthrough mentioned on Who Pays What? as Otoh suggested.



PMing Pirate directly is bad advice. I think it says in the OP you need a reference.

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June 21, 2012, 01:31:03 PM
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FWIW:

I have been mulling over this for a long time. I have bet against pirate on betsofbitco.in, posted my feelings in the forum, and pulled in and out of pass-throughs.

Yesterday, I decided that I do not think this is a Ponzi. I wish I would have come to this conclusion much sooner. I will be back in the game some time soon, and I would encourage others to do the same. If I am right, this is one of those investment opportunites that only comes around once in a lifetime.

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June 21, 2012, 01:48:47 PM
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Quote from: waltmarkers link=topic=50822.msg976124#msg976124
Isn't it clear what he does? He's said as much on other threads. People lend him bitcoins that he then sells for hard currency locally at a (significant) markup. Whoever buys those coins more than likely sends them to a third party, who converts them back to fiat (possibly another fiat).
Pirate moves his currency back into bitcoins. More than likely Pirate is never in fiat more than a day or two, leaving him minimally exposed to bitcoin / fiat pair volatility risk.

I've always been fairly sure that this is the case, but I still cannot figure out the volume aspect of it. If it is multiple lendees, how is it possible that they are all concentrated conveniently near him? Or, if it is a single entity, how could they possibly be using so many coins outside of the usual market?

I wonder if they are stockpiling over a a period of time, or whether the coins are used in some kind of active investment. If stockpiling, they would have a huge pile by now.

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Quote from: waltmarkers link=topic=50822.msg976124#msg976124
Isn't it clear what he does? He's said as much on other threads. People lend him bitcoins that he then sells for hard currency locally at a (significant) markup. Whoever buys those coins more than likely sends them to a third party, who converts them back to fiat (possibly another fiat).
Pirate moves his currency back into bitcoins. More than likely Pirate is never in fiat more than a day or two, leaving him minimally exposed to bitcoin / fiat pair volatility risk.

I've always been fairly sure that this is the case, but I still cannot figure out the volume aspect of it. If it is multiple lendees, how is it possible that they are all concentrated conveniently near him?

Maybe it's a group of businesspeople who discovered Bitcoin by word of mouth. That would explain why they are near each other.

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What about some columbian drug dealers using bitcoins to move their cash? Smiley
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