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January 04, 2019, 08:01:50 PM
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We believe it is very trust worthy and reliable platform and should be more popular.
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January 04, 2019, 08:45:52 PM
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How do BC maintain transparency in their system?

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January 05, 2019, 09:00:32 PM
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ABOUT BC.GAME :


Based on the Ethereum smart contract, BC.Game guaranteed provable fairness on the grounds of traceable transaction and impossible manipulation







                       
 


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Very good platform ever among other spaces in the market. We can say that for sure.Best of luck
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January 05, 2019, 10:22:34 PM
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There's a problem with your provably fair method (you copied the bustabit scheme, without doing the "seeding event" to prove that the hash chain itself is fair). In other words: you are proving the games are predetermined, but you're not proving they're from a fair distribution.  Does this qualify for the 100 ETH bounty?


Dear friend,
Thanks for your attention on BC.Game, and it's our great honor to answer your question.
Not just a replica, in 2017 when we have started to engaging in the blockchain market, BC.Game accidentally discovered Bustabit, similar to our originally-created H5 game in 2015 —train crash, followed by a purchase authorization from Bustabit to hash.game with our strong determination on developing games in crypto world.
About the hash fairness, on the base of long-term argumentation and some discussion with Bustabit team, we run numerous statistical tests on random hash seeds reaching a conclusion that the probability is same with impossible manipulation.
Here is the data:
Fair check
https://bcsnproject.github.io/HashCheck/
800k given data is available on our website:
60% probability of result higher than 2x (theoretically 49.505%), in favor of the player betting higher than 2x.
19.9% probability of result higher than 5x (theoretically 19.8%), in favor of the player betting higher than 5x.
9.97% probability of result higher than 10x (theoretically 9.903%), in favor of the player betting higher than 10x.
1.02% probability of result higher than 100x (theoretically 0.99%), in favor of the player betting higher than 100x.

Meanwhile, we can see that the real probability is higher than the theoretical one. But can we draw a conclusion that higher betting has more advantages? Would that make any difference if these data were distributed to each day.
I don’t think we have any conclusion from the above analysis due to different betting ways from each player. Here are some strategies for sure but we can’t say which one is the best.

Now let’s discuss this from a continuity perspective. (1*2 bet)
The number of 6 consecutive occurrences of result which doubles the previous one is 13485 (higher than theoretical one 13261), not in favor for those who stopped their betting at the sixth time.
The number of 7 consecutive occurrences of result which doubles the previous one is 6626(lower than theoretical one 6696), in favor for those who continue their betting at the seventh time.
The number of 8 consecutive occurrences of result which doubles the previous one is 3272(lower than theoretical one 3381), in favor for those who continue their betting at the eighth time.

So, does this help us reach a conclusion? While some strategies are good, some are not. We don’t believe that there is any best seed choice to affect the result. Maybe you want to say that increasing the probability of the result lower than 2x on purpose by the website is to earn more. But this is not guaranteed in some strategies. Even with huge amount of data analysis, you will find that the result lower that 2x is not in high percentage, even less than 0.5%. Greater data provides a result closer to the theoretical. In addition, 10-million data need 10 years to run out. There is no assurance at all when the data distributed each day, week, month and year.
To sum up, no matter which hash seed you are using, it’s a fair game on the grounds that we never know what strategy the player will choose. We prefer to invite more players to come with the better combination way of betting. That’s our goal and advantage.

We also welcome more specific analysis with data and algorithm worth 100ETH. You can run any test on GitHub. But opinion in one sentence is not enough.
https://github.com/BCSNProject/CheckCondition

The only advantage of seed choice is easier understanding for beginners; there is no effect on the fairness of the game. We are trying to use EOS+BTC seeds choices recently for players to make the seeds of this game more decentralized.

Thanks for your big reply.
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January 05, 2019, 10:41:46 PM
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We believe it is very trust worthy and reliable platform and should be more popular.
Yep.I hope also that they trust worthy.
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January 06, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
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In the terms and conditions says "Duck Dice" lol

Did you just copy and paste theirs wonder what else is copy paste or cheaply done.

https://imgur.com/a/ygBWT3s

How do you explain this? I see no answer to this accusation.

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January 06, 2019, 05:46:27 PM
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In the terms and conditions says "Duck Dice" lol

Did you just copy and paste theirs wonder what else is copy paste or cheaply done.

https://imgur.com/a/ygBWT3s

How do you explain this? I see no answer to this accusation.

come on , do not distract them
they are busy creating shill newbie accounts to say how great their site is  Cheesy
not only they copy pasted other site's TOS , what is more important  their provably fair system is flawed
think they owe Rhavar 100 eth now

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January 06, 2019, 06:00:18 PM
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We are not saying we will give 100ETH for any player. It's just a way to prove our crash game is fair. If you dont think our site is trusted and be able to prove manipulation. We will pay 100ETH.

So in the end you guys do not intend to payout 100 eth to players even though they have found out something likw bug or any unfair system? Do you even have this 100 eth on your wallet? By saying that, you guys offer something that you guys do not have and by saying that thing you want to proof that your site is fair? This is really hard to believe on things that you said
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January 06, 2019, 09:33:09 PM
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come on , do not distract them
they are busy creating shill newbie accounts to say how great their site is  Cheesy
not only they copy pasted other site's TOS , what is more important  their provably fair system is flawed
think they owe Rhavar 100 eth now

Oh, I missed it! Even TOS are copied. I guess they will no answer for a lot longer on this thread than.

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January 07, 2019, 02:33:00 AM
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We are not saying we will give 100ETH for any player. It's just a way to prove our crash game is fair. If you dont think our site is trusted and be able to prove manipulation. We will pay 100ETH.

So in the end you guys do not intend to payout 100 eth to players even though they have found out something likw bug or any unfair system? Do you even have this 100 eth on your wallet? By saying that, you guys offer something that you guys do not have and by saying that thing you want to proof that your site is fair? This is really hard to believe on things that you said

I already replied about the "fairness bug" with a long explanation. It's your right to ignore what we said and just keep saying you are not fair without even try our game.

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January 07, 2019, 02:36:57 AM
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We are not saying we will give 100ETH for any player. It's just a way to prove our crash game is fair. If you dont think our site is trusted and be able to prove manipulation. We will pay 100ETH.

So in the end you guys do not intend to payout 100 eth to players even though they have found out something likw bug or any unfair system? Do you even have this 100 eth on your wallet? By saying that, you guys offer something that you guys do not have and by saying that thing you want to proof that your site is fair? This is really hard to believe on things that you said

I already replied about the "fairness bug" with a long explanation. It's your right to ignore what we said and just keep saying you are not fair without even try our game.

And, If you can prove our website is not fair, in a more specific way, show your evidence, your algorithm. 100ETH is definitely provided for sure!. We are not saying we are perfect and we welcome talented person to work with us to improve our algorithm.  But we are not giving it to some random player to say you are not fair in one sentence.

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January 07, 2019, 02:42:56 AM
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In the terms and conditions says "Duck Dice" lol

Did you just copy and paste theirs wonder what else is copy paste or cheaply done.

https://imgur.com/a/ygBWT3s

How do you explain this? I see no answer to this accusation.

come on , do not distract them
they are busy creating shill newbie accounts to say how great their site is  Cheesy
not only they copy pasted other site's TOS , what is more important  their provably fair system is flawed
think they owe Rhavar 100 eth now

It's like you are saying your provably fair system is flawed because your fair system is flawed. And now we have to pay 100ETH for that logic? Haha, I dont think so....100 ETH will be paid for sure if you give me the evidence, like what algorithm you run to prove we manipulate the game. If we can have somebody to improve our fair system. 100ETH is totally worth it.

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January 07, 2019, 03:00:12 AM
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In the terms and conditions says "Duck Dice" lol

Did you just copy and paste theirs wonder what else is copy paste or cheaply done.

https://imgur.com/a/ygBWT3s

How do you explain this? I see no answer to this accusation.


Thanks so much for pointing that out, and we will update that. We are not perfect and when we hire a translation company to run Website's English version, there may some content from other websites to use as a reference. We will do our best to avoid that. Thanks again.

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Not just a replica, in 2017 when we have started to engaging in the blockchain market, BC.Game accidentally discovered Bustabit, similar to our originally-created H5 game in 2015 —train crash, followed by a purchase authorization from Bustabit to hash.game with our strong determination on developing games in crypto world.

I'm pointing out the provably-fair scheme was taken from bustabit. I would know, because I am the person who created it Grin  (Originally bustabit used to just be "provably predetermined" but I wrote the code to make it provably fair).

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So, does this help us reach a conclusion? While some strategies are good, some are not. We don’t believe that there is any best seed choice to affect the result.

 The seed choice *absolutely* makes a difference, and it can be quite large. Let's say you randomly generate a seed, and generate a hash chain. We can reason pretty easily that the house edge should be 1%.  However, it might be a lot lower (lets say there are lots of low multipliers, it's good for the site)  and it might be a lot higher (if there's lots of high multipliers, it's good for players). But the house edge only looks at "average", so it doesn't matter and we can say the house edge is 1%.

However that analysis is based around the idea of a random seed. To make it easy to demonstrate, I'm going to generate 3 hash chains, of length 5:


Chain A: seed=680597CDC84B239A1C0475C89E0CC5380B1DDF367772C8F3055742C6ACB2C3FF
Result: 4.63, 2.36, 1.22, 2.225, 2.56

Chain B: seed=6AA9D8D8BD428C4277F613E74AC1AAE2A81EAF7DAF24C4D459FA030AA63C03D5
Result: 1.04, 1.00, 1.07, 1.28, 1.02


Chain C: seed=60CC3C97D3C80396437AF43F3AAC84A460EF2EBA88E79C2D4AC1218DD1923002
Result: 1.76, 2.43, 15.27, 3.55, 1.09


Now from this, we can *clearly* see that  B would be the best for the house. Of course the longer the game runs, the less the statistical differences are -- but for the few *years* of games, the house edge can easily have been manipulated to 2x what they should be. The cheating can easily be done with an algorithm:

Code:
bestSeed = randomSeed();
bestResult = rank(bestSeed)
while (true) {
    const seed = randomSeed();
    const r = rank(seed);
    if (r < bestResult) {
         console.log("Found new best seed: ", seed, " with rank: ", r);
         bestSeed = seed;
         bestResult = r;
   }
}

Where the rank function can be as simple as computing the median of the first few million hashes.

  
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Maybe you want to say that increasing the probability of the result lower than 2x on purpose by the website is to earn more. But this is not guaranteed in some strategies. Even with huge amount of data analysis, you will find that the result lower that 2x is not in high percentage, even less than 0.5%. Greater data provides a result closer to the theoretical. In addition, 10-million data need 10 years to run out. There is no assurance at all when the data distributed each day, week, month and year.
To sum up, no matter which hash seed you are using, it’s a fair game on the grounds that we never know what strategy the player will choose.

It doesn't matter how players are betting, you don't need to know before hand. Even if someone knew for a fact you purposely picked a hash-chain with an abnormal amount of low-crashes, it's impossible for anyone to cheat. It purely increases the house edge.


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We also welcome more specific analysis with data and algorithm worth 100ETH. You can run any test on GitHub. But opinion in one sentence is not enough.

I hope I've made my point clear:

*) The choice of seed (exclusively) determines the game-crashes in your system
*) The differences between a good-chain and bad-chain are very significant (on my laptop, in a few minutes I am able to double-the house edge for 1 year worth of hashes).
*) We have no way of knowing if you fairly picked a seed or not




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The only advantage of seed choice is easier understanding for beginners; there is no effect on the fairness of the game. We are trying to use EOS+BTC seeds choices recently for players to make the seeds of this game more decentralized.

The best solution is to do what bustabit has done, use a *future* bitcoin-block hash as an additional seed (after committing to a single chain). This makes it impossible for you to run the "brute force" attack to pick a seed that is favorable to the house.


If you're interested in more information: https://medium.com/@nekoz/generating-a-provably-fair-crash-point-8d502058e8bc


But because we don't know if you picked the seed fairly, your provably fair system isn't actually provably fair.

Check out gamblingsitefinder.com for a decent list/rankings of crypto casinos. Note: I have no affiliation or interest in it, and don't even agree with all the rankings ... but it's the only uncorrupted review site I'm aware of.
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January 07, 2019, 06:07:16 AM
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There's two points here I see as an objective viewer. Point 1, some parts of the site were copied. A sample is the ToS from Duck Dice, which itself has a bad reputation in the past. Point 2, the site's method is found to be unfair, and demonstrated, so I guess the reward should be given to RHavar, but only if someone else can also confirm that this is true, I think. I am not defending anybody, I think RHavar deserves some kind of reward.

Problem is, I don't get how all these things work. I understand the concept, just not the calculation (sorry I don't know how to explain better).

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Point 2, the site's method is found to be unfair, and demonstrated, so I guess the reward should be given to RHavar, but only if someone else can also confirm that this is true, I think. I am not defending anybody, I think RHavar deserves some kind of reward.

Just to add some nuance: it's not so much their method is unfair, it's just that it's not "provably fair". I actually doubt very much they've picked a bias hash chain, but we really have no way of knowing (hence not provably fair).

Check out gamblingsitefinder.com for a decent list/rankings of crypto casinos. Note: I have no affiliation or interest in it, and don't even agree with all the rankings ... but it's the only uncorrupted review site I'm aware of.
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January 07, 2019, 08:14:01 AM
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How can we be sure the game will not be manipulated? I will like to see prove from an independent body to really analyze this system and provide advice about this bc game. Because anything unfair reward should be looked into with third eyes!
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January 07, 2019, 10:25:04 AM
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You have a great bonus system with refular rewards for various kinds of players. You are also saying that you developed the bustabit-like game on your own. Congrats if you did, 'cause it's one of my favorites. Since your website is new, I think a small faucet to attract new players wouldn't hurt. Well, to be honest, maybe you already have it, but something went wrong... Once I registered, I received a notification about a successful 8888 JB deposit (don't know what that is). I also managed to place a bet, but when I pushed "crash out" around 1.8, it wrote "cannot_escape" in a small button-like field. I wonder what that meant and whether a user is supposed to see these things... Oh, and it took 1 JB I used for a bet away, as if I lost it, even though I pushed the button before the chart 'banged'..

Thanks so much for registration. 8888JB is our platform game coin and it's good to play but not on any exchanges yet.
Since CRASH is a real-time online game (a game in which customers interact with it via the Internet), there is a delay between the time you click on the “Cash Out” button and the time when the server receives your cash out instruction. The best way to avoid damages caused by Internet lag is to use the automatic cash-out function. Since your automatic cash out is sent to the server at the same time when you place your bet, the server can execute your cash out instruction precisely and regardless of the lag.

We strongly suggest that our player set their bet and payout before game start to avoid any cost by the late of the server. For example, if you bet 1 eth and escape at 2x, you still can escape when it hit 1.5.

If any damage caused by the false of our website system that you can prove, please talk to our customer service on TELEGRAM. We may pay you back if it's proved that it is our fault.


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January 07, 2019, 10:52:31 AM
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Just to add some nuance: it's not so much their method is unfair, it's just that it's not "provably fair". I actually doubt very much they've picked a bias hash chain, but we really have no way of knowing (hence not provably fair).

Yeah and... Honestly I find it dubious how they're pushing you on the invest part.

Lots of casino have the option to invest of course. But here there is more advertisement for the investment than for the games itself.

I don't believe it's safe to invest somewhere without any reputation, asking you so much about your money.
Don't play dumb.

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January 09, 2019, 12:27:49 AM
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We are not saying we will give 100ETH for any player. It's just a way to prove our crash game is fair. If you dont think our site is trusted and be able to prove manipulation. We will pay 100ETH.

So in the end you guys do not intend to payout 100 eth to players even though they have found out something likw bug or any unfair system? Do you even have this 100 eth on your wallet? By saying that, you guys offer something that you guys do not have and by saying that thing you want to proof that your site is fair? This is really hard to believe on things that you said

I already replied about the "fairness bug" with a long explanation. It's your right to ignore what we said and just keep saying you are not fair without even try our game.

Without even try your game? Do you even aware about your customers that in and out? By saying this, I believe that you are very unaware about whoever comes to your site and play. Even this simple things you can't get it, how to keep your site to the better one. I am just asking for proof that you are holding 100 eth in case that someone really find a bug on your site, yet you insult me with something like "not even try the site" thing?

Just remind you, better do not say something that you dont even have it from the start. If something like this you already cheat, how about the provably fair system?
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