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[TopTort777]

There will be a 3rd fight. If I am to score it Shevchenko seems to have made it especially because she caused Grasso's cut and made a significant heavy blow. By discounting the knees made by Grasso while Shevchenko's hand touches the ground, it would appear Chenko won the fight.

There is no way the 5th could be 10-8 but I guess they consider giving the favor to Grasso after all it is Mexico's independence day so let it be settled in the 3rd match.   
They were right about the fight, it's the most exciting yet.

The judge, who gave 10-8 was either in WC during whole fifth round, or is blind. Otherwise I dont understand how can he give 2 point advantage to Grasso, when she only took (or stole) last minutes of the round, while being her ass beaten in first minutes of it. Btw, the judge name is Mike Bell. And this is not the first time his decision is controversial. Due to his judgement, Blachowicz vs Ankalaev fight also has ended with a draw. But, it is Shevchenko fault there is 10-8 in last round, if she planned to return her belt, she must have ended this fight earlier. And Grasso has a lot of work to do with her coaches, if she does not plan to take so much damage again.

[tokeweed]

For sure the Main Event for UFC Fight Night: Grasso vs. Shevchenko 2 ended in controversy because of the Scorecard fiasco sure this issue will not settle down that easily but we have a new event for this week

UFC Fight Night: Fiziev vs. Gamrot

DATE: Saturday 09.23.2023
TIME: 04:00 PM ET
PROMOTION: Ultimate Fighting Championship
VENUE: UFC Apex
LOCATION: Las Vegas, Nevada, United States



MAIN EVENT
Rafael Fiziev VS Mateusz Gamrot

CO-MAIN EVENT
Bryce Mitchell VS Dan Ige

MAIN CARD
Marina Rodriguez VS Michelle Waterson-Gomez
Bryan Battle VS AJ Fletcher
Charles Jourdain VS Ricardo Ramos

PRELIMINARY CARD
Miles Johns VS Dam Argueta
Tim Means VS Andre Fialho
Jacob Malkoun VS Cody Brundage
Jake Collier VS Mohammed Usman
Mizuki Inoue VS Hannah Goldy
Montserrat Rendon VS Tamires Vidal

The Information was from Tapology: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/101865-ufc-fight-night

That's a decent main event imho.  And Fiziev is one of my favorite guys in the roster since he beat Marc Diakesse as the underdog a couple of years ago but man...  Going against Gamrot for 5 rounds could be a tall order.  Fiziev wil prolly look good at the first couple of rounds of the match.  But as the match progresses into the championship rounds, he has a tendency of slowing down.  That's where Gamrot could take over and wear on him.  Gamrot is very durable and a very good wrestler.  If more action goes to Fiziev, Gamrot's like could improve to 2.50. which is good imo.

Edit:  DWCS is also on in a couple of days.

Date:  Tuesday, Sept 19
Main Card (Fight Pass/ESPN+):  8:00pm EST
Venue:  UFC Apex Center, Las Vegas, Nevada
Live Streams:  



Main Card
Women's Strawweight:  Talita Alencar vs Stephanie Luciano
Welterweight:  Kaynan Kruschewsky vs Dylan Mantello
Flyweight:  Jhonata Silva vs Igor da Silva
Heavyweight:  Shamil Ghaziev vs Greg Velasco
Lightweight:  JaCobi Jones vs Daniel James Allen

[jeremypwr]

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[pawel7777]

UFC Fight Night: Fiziev vs. Gamrot

Yay! Finally a really exciting fight, almost guaranteed not to be boring. I'm heavily biased on this one as Gamrot is my compatriot and I like his character, but I think, objectively, he has what it takes to defeat Fiziev. Gamrot likes fighting in Las Vegas, he fought and won 5 times there, his wrestling is obviously superior to Fiziev's and he's experienced enough to withstand the pressure.
It's an important fight for both of them, winning this one will open the door to fight guys from the top 5, meaning big money fights.

[bittraffic]

UFC Fight Night: Fiziev vs. Gamrot

Yay! Finally a really exciting fight, almost guaranteed not to be boring. I'm heavily biased on this one as Gamrot is my compatriot and I like his character, but I think, objectively, he has what it takes to defeat Fiziev. Gamrot likes fighting in Las Vegas, he fought and won 5 times there, his wrestling is obviously superior to Fiziev's and he's experienced enough to withstand the pressure.
It's an important fight for both of them, winning this one will open the door to fight guys from the top 5, meaning big money fights.

They are both smart fighters but I think Fiziev is more well rounded. If Gamrot even bring this fight to the ground, he will struggle to keep up while Fiziev dominate the fight to which Gamrot would better prefer foot on the ground.

UFC is giving Gamrot a slow climb to the title shot but if he could beat Fiziev, he might just get the shot he needed.

I could only see this fight turn out to be boxing and Fiziev being the fast KOs Gamrot.

[TopTort777]

Just a little return to past fights - I remember people were talking about Strickland vs Adesanya rematch, and talked that this gonna happen soon, because of Adesanya past achievement, and they probably think that Strickland does not deserve that belt. I would suggest that Shevchenko and Grasso should make as soon as possible a rematch and end their trilogy once and for all. Imho that fight really deserves an immediate rematch more than any of fights this year.

[YuginKadoya]

The judge, who gave 10-8 was either in WC during whole fifth round, or is blind. Otherwise I dont understand how can he give 2 point advantage to Grasso, when she only took (or stole) last minutes of the round, while being her ass beaten in first minutes of it. Btw, the judge name is Mike Bell. And this is not the first time his decision is controversial. Due to his judgement, Blachowicz vs Ankalaev fight also has ended with a draw. But, it is Shevchenko fault there is 10-8 in last round, if she planned to return her belt, she must have ended this fight earlier. And Grasso has a lot of work to do with her coaches, if she does not plan to take so much damage again.

There was a conspiracy in Mike Bell's action and why he gave the 10 - 8 Score in favor of Grasso sure it all ended up in a controversial Draw for sure all points were 10 -  9 so why in the world do we have the 10 - 8 score for the 5th round this is why people that have bet for Shevchenko is furious about it and even though I have bet for Grasso I really think that Valentina deserves this win, well I got to admit this fight is full of Bias for sure, and if there will be a rematch for sure I will still go with Alexa Grasso because her camp already saw what Shevchenko can do for sure they will device some tactics against that,

That's a decent main event imho.  And Fiziev is one of my favorite guys in the roster since he beat Marc Diakesse as the underdog a couple of years ago but man...  Going against Gamrot for 5 rounds could be a tall order.  Fiziev wil prolly look good at the first couple of rounds of the match.  But as the match progresses into the championship rounds, he has a tendency of slowing down.  That's where Gamrot could take over and wear on him.  Gamrot is very durable and a very good wrestler.  If more action goes to Fiziev, Gamrot's like could improve to 2.50. which is good imo.

Edit:  DWCS is also on in a couple of days.

Date:  Tuesday, Sept 19
Main Card (Fight Pass/ESPN+):  8:00pm EST
Venue:  UFC Apex Center, Las Vegas, Nevada
Live Streams:  



Main Card
Women's Strawweight:  Talita Alencar vs Stephanie Luciano
Welterweight:  Kaynan Kruschewsky vs Dylan Mantello
Flyweight:  Jhonata Silva vs Igor da Silva
Heavyweight:  Shamil Ghaziev vs Greg Velasco
Lightweight:  JaCobi Jones vs Daniel James Allen

Fiziev is a likable guy for sure but he can not underestimate Mateusz Gamrot sure this is really a decent Event but for the Main and Preliminary cards what can some other guys say about the other fights For sure Bryce Mitchell VS Dan Ige is great too, Marina Rodriguez VS Michelle Waterson-Gomez, Bryan Battle VS AJ Fletcher, are the fights that I am interested about and what may happen for sure these fight will be something for sure

They are both smart fighters but I think Fiziev is more well rounded. If Gamrot even bring this fight to the ground, he will struggle to keep up while Fiziev dominate the fight to which Gamrot would better prefer foot on the ground.

UFC is giving Gamrot a slow climb to the title shot but if he could beat Fiziev, he might just get the shot he needed.

I could only see this fight turn out to be boxing and Fiziev being the fast KOs Gamrot.

It is really interesting but Rafael Fiziev was defeated by Justin Gaethje with a technical strike for sure Gaethje is the technical one here while Fiziev is not, and with Mateusz Gamrot sure he will be working his way to getting Rafael Fiziev in the ground, for sure

[kro55]

Just a little return to past fights - I remember people were talking about Strickland vs Adesanya rematch, and talked that this gonna happen soon, because of Adesanya past achievement, and they probably think that Strickland does not deserve that belt. I would suggest that Shevchenko and Grasso should make as soon as possible a rematch and end their trilogy once and for all. Imho that fight really deserves an immediate rematch more than any of fights this year.

I also have heard that people are saying Strickland does not deserve to have their belt. But I don't know about that. He was able to win against Israel Adesanya because he definitely deserved to win. Remember, past achievements, do not mean anything if you cannot win the fight that you have in hand. You can have a good past. But if you cannot perform in the present, no one is going to judge you based on your fast, especially after you lose.

I also agree that Shevchenko and Grasso need to fight against each other. I do not follow women’s fights in UFC to match, but this is something I am interested in.

[bittraffic]

Just a little return to past fights - I remember people were talking about Strickland vs Adesanya rematch, and talked that this gonna happen soon, because of Adesanya past achievement, and they probably think that Strickland does not deserve that belt. I would suggest that Shevchenko and Grasso should make as soon as possible a rematch and end their trilogy once and for all. Imho that fight really deserves an immediate rematch more than any of fights this year.

I also have heard that people are saying Strickland does not deserve to have their belt. But I don't know about that. He was able to win against Israel Adesanya because he definitely deserved to win. Remember, past achievements, do not mean anything if you cannot win the fight that you have in hand. You can have a good past. But if you cannot perform in the present, no one is going to judge you based on your fast, especially after you lose.

I also agree that Shevchenko and Grasso need to fight against each other. I do not follow women’s fights in UFC to match, but this is something I am interested in.

The majority of the observers were rooting for Izzy which seemed like Strickland was fed to a lion. He knew it, Dana wanted him to lose too and I bet he also didn't expect Izzy to lose. So he just makes fun of that belt, you can see how he fixed it lol it's like the belt they are after is nothing to him. If Izzy and Sean will have a rematch, Izzy might have to improve his wrestling.

Shevchenko and Grasso have learned a lot from each other, it will be more challenging for both to fight again. It's a race against time for Shevchenko though. If it takes another year or 2, this will be depressing for her.

[pawel7777]

They are both smart fighters but I think Fiziev is more well rounded. If Gamrot even bring this fight to the ground, he will struggle to keep up while Fiziev dominate the fight to which Gamrot would better prefer foot on the ground.

UFC is giving Gamrot a slow climb to the title shot but if he could beat Fiziev, he might just get the shot he needed.

I could only see this fight turn out to be boxing and Fiziev being the fast KOs Gamrot.

Gamrot's wrestling is his biggest strength and he utilises it often, but he's more well-rounded than Fiziev. Before moving to UFC, he was a dominant champion in Europe's largest mma organisation (KSW) and he has a lot of experience fighting against all kinds of opponents, whether on the ground or standing. He also has more experience in fighting at the 5 rounds distance.
Sure, fast KO is always a risk, but if Gamrot does his homework, he's more than capable of neutralising Fiziev's striking.
I give Gamrot 60% chance of winning.
 

[TopTort777]

They are both smart fighters but I think Fiziev is more well rounded. If Gamrot even bring this fight to the ground, he will struggle to keep up while Fiziev dominate the fight to which Gamrot would better prefer foot on the ground.

UFC is giving Gamrot a slow climb to the title shot but if he could beat Fiziev, he might just get the shot he needed.

I could only see this fight turn out to be boxing and Fiziev being the fast KOs Gamrot.

Gamrot's wrestling is his biggest strength and he utilises it often, but he's more well-rounded than Fiziev. Before moving to UFC, he was a dominant champion in Europe's largest mma organisation (KSW) and he has a lot of experience fighting against all kinds of opponents, whether on the ground or standing. He also has more experience in fighting at the 5 rounds distance.
Sure, fast KO is always a risk, but if Gamrot does his homework, he's more than capable of neutralising Fiziev's striking.
I give Gamrot 60% chance of winning.
 

You give so high % of win chance because often wrestlers/grapplers beat strikers? During UFC career, Fiziev has faced more wrestlers/grapplers than pure strikers and won. Also one one has ever submitted him, which is kinda weird, as Fiziev was a pure striker and spent a lot of time in Thailand with Muay Thai guys. All those ground game guys must have submitted him, how ever I dont remember him being in danger of being submitted. However, I can not misjudge Gamrot. He has a win over strong Tsarukyan, who seems to be a younger copy of Fiziev. Why copy, because Tsarukyan now focuses on training in Thailand also, in same gym as Fiziev (Tiger Muay Thai).

[tokeweed]

^  I got Fiziev to win but I can't say it with a whole lot of confidence because here's the thing, you ask when did Fiziev ever get threatened by a sub finish or a ground and pound in the UFC.  I'd say none because since when did Fiziev fight a wrestler as good as Gamrot?  It could get dicey for Fiziev at the later rounds if it comes to that.  So he prolly should finish Gamrot by knocking him out before the championship rounds.

Anyway here's a couple of vids to watch before the event and a post fight conference vid from DWCS.

UFC Free Fight:  Fiziev vs RDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNOY6hn3-3I

UFC Free Fight:  Gamrot vs Tsarukyan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_it1hrR79tU

DWCS Season 7, Week 7 Post Fight Press Conference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpUHGMZhRHQ

[YuginKadoya]

I also have heard that people are saying Strickland does not deserve to have their belt. But I don't know about that. He was able to win against Israel Adesanya because he definitely deserved to win. Remember, past achievements, do not mean anything if you cannot win the fight that you have in hand. You can have a good past. But if you cannot perform in the present, no one is going to judge you based on your fast, especially after you lose.

I also agree that Shevchenko and Grasso need to fight against each other. I do not follow women’s fights in UFC to match, but this is something I am interested in.

For sure many didn't really like Sean Strickland when he won against Israel Adesanya, even though there were many in the event who liked him when he was throwing trash against Israel Adesanya many surely didn't want him to be champion and seeing him wearing the belt, for sure that people are from the UFC itself, I may have bet for Adesanya but that doesn't mean I am a fan of him, I just like what he does inside the octagon, but for sure a win for Sean Strickland was really a win for him, and nobody can take that from him, even though what he did with the fight with Adesanaya looks simple,

Well that Grasso VS Shevchenko fight for sure many don't like that but for sure Valentina Shevchenko needs to really win this with a dominant win for sure Submission or KO just to say it is a win for him because for sure no one will question this for sure but giving Grasso a hold of you look like Shevchenko is losing,

[pawel7777]

You give so high % of win chance because often wrestlers/grapplers beat strikers? During UFC career, Fiziev has faced more wrestlers/grapplers than pure strikers and won. Also one one has ever submitted him, which is kinda weird, as Fiziev was a pure striker and spent a lot of time in Thailand with Muay Thai guys. All those ground game guys must have submitted him, how ever I dont remember him being in danger of being submitted. However, I can not misjudge Gamrot. He has a win over strong Tsarukyan, who seems to be a younger copy of Fiziev. Why copy, because Tsarukyan now focuses on training in Thailand also, in same gym as Fiziev (Tiger Muay Thai).

Nah, I give Gamrot 60% mostly because of heavy bias, as he's my compatriot, so I really like to see him winning this one. And it's not that high really, it's not very far away from 50/50.
Everyone who trained wrestling at some point in their life can label themselves as wrestler, but that doesn't mean they're all at the same level. And it's way easier for a wrestler to master striking than the other way around. Gamrot can be relentless in his takedown attempts, he doesn't give up after a failed attempt but keeps coming at you from all angles. If Fiziev manages to neutralise that, he will massively shift the odds in his favour, but I don't think he will.

[kro55]

Gamrot's wrestling is his biggest strength and he utilises it often, but he's more well-rounded than Fiziev. Before moving to UFC, he was a dominant champion in Europe's largest mma organisation (KSW) and he has a lot of experience fighting against all kinds of opponents, whether on the ground or standing. He also has more experience in fighting at the 5 rounds distance.
Sure, fast KO is always a risk, but if Gamrot does his homework, he's more than capable of neutralising Fiziev's striking.
I give Gamrot 60% chance of winning.
 

You give so high % of win chance because often wrestlers/grapplers beat strikers? During UFC career, Fiziev has faced more wrestlers/grapplers than pure strikers and won. Also one one has ever submitted him, which is kinda weird, as Fiziev was a pure striker and spent a lot of time in Thailand with Muay Thai guys. All those ground game guys must have submitted him, how ever I dont remember him being in danger of being submitted. However, I can not misjudge Gamrot. He has a win over strong Tsarukyan, who seems to be a younger copy of Fiziev. Why copy, because Tsarukyan now focuses on training in Thailand also, in same gym as Fiziev (Tiger Muay Thai).

A world-class grappler/wrestler is surely going to be able to beat a good boxer on any given day. Because a boxer will definitely have to close the distance to get his hands on his opponent. And as the distance closes, it gives the wrestler more chances to put the boxer down with a takedown. So definitely if it is a fight between a very good boxer and a wrestler who is one of the world's best, I think it is going to be a win for the wrestler. But if the wrestler is a mediocre one, if he is not someone who has dedicated his whole life to wrestling, it is going to be a problem for him.

[pawel7777]

Some breaking news from Dana White:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7STg0LeWko

UFC 295 (11th Nov) Jones Vs Miocic - the co-main event will be Prohazka Vs. Pereira for a vacant title
UFC 296 (16th Dec) - Leon Edwards is confirmed to face Colby Covington. Co-main event: Pantoja Vs Royval.

Sounds good to me.

[yazher]

Some breaking news from Dana White:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7STg0LeWko

UFC 295 (11th Nov) Jones Vs Miocic - the co-main event will be Prohazka Vs. Pereira for a vacant title
UFC 296 (16th Dec) - Leon Edwards is confirmed to face Colby Covington. Co-main event: Pantoja Vs Royval.

Sounds good to me.

This won't take that long because September will be over soon and we are going to be more than one month away to see Jones back in the cage. seems like an interesting fight after his long rest and after that, we will see Edwards once again after sealing his win against Kamaru Usman in the first half of 2023, well that was truly a long rest but what can you do? these people are true champions and to find someone who truly matches them in the cage is also a hard task to do because there are not that many competitors in their weight division in the UFC.

[CryptoBuds]

Some breaking news from Dana White:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7STg0LeWko

UFC 295 (11th Nov) Jones Vs Miocic - the co-main event will be Prohazka Vs. Pereira for a vacant title
UFC 296 (16th Dec) - Leon Edwards is confirmed to face Colby Covington. Co-main event: Pantoja Vs Royval.

Sounds good to me.

This won't take that long because September will be over soon and we are going to be more than one month away to see Jones back in the cage. seems like an interesting fight after his long rest and after that, we will see Edwards once again after sealing his win against Kamaru Usman in the first half of 2023, well that was truly a long rest but what can you do? these people are true champions and to find someone who truly matches them in the cage is also a hard task to do because there are not that many competitors in their weight division in the UFC.

^ This is definitely a good decision taken by Dana White. He is looking to make fights with the interesting fighters that he has available to himself. I think that is going to make the popularity of the UFC go up a notch. A lot of people are waiting to see John Jones fight again. The wish will be granted in the next UFC event. But I do have my doubts about how he is going to do in that fight. The thing is Stipe Miocic is a little older compared to Jones. Five years older if I am not wrong. So I think the conditioning of John Jones is going to be better.

Between Leon Edwards and Colby Covington, I am definitely going to support Leon Edwards. But I think that fight is going to be very close. Both of them are good fighters.

[YuginKadoya]

A world-class grappler/wrestler is surely going to be able to beat a good boxer on any given day. Because a boxer will definitely have to close the distance to get his hands on his opponent. And as the distance closes, it gives the wrestler more chances to put the boxer down with a takedown. So definitely if it is a fight between a very good boxer and a wrestler who is one of the world's best, I think it is going to be a win for the wrestler. But if the wrestler is a mediocre one, if he is not someone who has dedicated his whole life to wrestling, it is going to be a problem for him.

For sure if that world-class Boxer has a good takedown defense then he can likely neutralize those upcoming takedowns we can surely never know until the two fighters clash because if the striking has offense and defense then Wrestling has its offense and defense as well as we witness in the fight of Islam Makhachev VS Alexander Volkanovski, we can surely see how Volkanovski got great defense on the ground and likely exposed Makhachev as for sure there is a certain level to it and we will never know until then fight,

Some breaking news from Dana White:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7STg0LeWko

UFC 295 (11th Nov) Jones Vs Miocic - the co-main event will be Prohazka Vs. Pereira for a vacant title
UFC 296 (16th Dec) - Leon Edwards is confirmed to face Colby Covington. Co-main event: Pantoja Vs Royval.

Sounds good to me.

Let's not forget the UFC 294 as Charles Oliveira is ready to take on Islam Makhachev for sure Oliveira is taking note of the fight between Makhachev and Volvonovski for sure and exposing Makhachev's ground game, well I would love to see that 1st before anything else,

But for sure UFC 295 and 296 are the juicy event as well so I am really excited every month has something stored for us,

^ This is definitely a good decision taken by Dana White. He is looking to make fights with the interesting fighters that he has available to himself. I think that is going to make the popularity of the UFC go up a notch. A lot of people are waiting to see John Jones fight again. The wish will be granted in the next UFC event. But I do have my doubts about how he is going to do in that fight. The thing is Stipe Miocic is a little older compared to Jones. Five years older if I am not wrong. So I think the conditioning of John Jones is going to be better.

Between Leon Edwards and Colby Covington, I am definitely going to support Leon Edwards. But I think that fight is going to be very close. Both of them are good fighters.

For me Stipe Miocic is not a bad fighter however I am really doubting him in this fight as he is much older sure 41 years old but for sure this is going to be like the Jiri Prochazka VS Glover Texeira fight where it is an amazing fight to watch so this might turn into like that but I am still doubting it but hoping it will,

[TopTort777]

UFC 295 (11th Nov) Jones Vs Miocic - the co-main event will be Prohazka Vs. Pereira for a vacant title

The looser (and the winner probably) have huge probability to retire after this fight. Miocic is 41 and rarely we see him in octagon. Jones - it is hard to force that star to train and fight today Only money is motivating that person today. What was with Bones contract in the end? Was it a single fight and debut in heavyweights or a default 3 fight contract? Jones vs Miocic is going to be fight I dont expect much and dont really desire to watch. Simply because there will not much to watch. First round sub or 5 round beating (most likely not).