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July 19, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
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I see a dozen chaps applying for the campaign with a few who are ofcourse just trying to be sarcastic.
Don't you think DT members should tag the other culprits for joining the campaign very well knowing that Livecoin were proven scammers?

Warnings are all there but they just decided to ignore and join the campaign  Embarrassed

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It seems that their attitude towards the client will become a guideline for other exchanges - what is forbidden to do when working with a client



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July 20, 2019, 04:31:21 PM
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This is interesting.
Livecoin suffered a loss a few months ago when someone exploited a monero vulnerability
https://latesthackingnews.com/2018/08/05/monero-wallet-vulnerability-loss-of-1-8-million-to-livecoin-crypto-exchange/

And then a member of monero community post this
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/bv0427/livecoinnet_may_have_actually_tried_to_breach_the/

So maybe Livecoin tried to negociate something with MONA but they did not give the coins to them, something similar happen with Bitcoin Gold and some exchange like a year ago

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July 21, 2019, 11:27:10 AM
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Please state your concern for this proposed resolution : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5167034.msg51895738#msg51895738

I have sent you a PM regarding the same.

This is just a bribe @izooomrud, just don't accept it.

Everyone here is supporting you not just because of your case but as a future costumer of the same exchange and so that anyone else should not get tied into a same problem while dealing with Livecoin exchange in the future.

I don't think much of the members from the Livecoin campaign would be willing to pay your loss from there pocket, I even don't think they should anyways.


3. Convince izooomrud to withdraw all scam accusation by assuming his lost money is about to be recovered.

Doing this would just be unfair and out of ethics for your part, still my guess is you would not accept it. It's just a assumption after all and participants of the campaign are not the once who should pay your losses, it would not happen every time either.
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Hello everyone, today I have good news for you and before I share my thoughts with you, I’d like to share some good news! I received a message from the livecoin technical support service today with a statement that I can withdraw my funds within 48 hours, after which my account will be permanently blocked!
I withdrew all the funds that I were available, however there is an issue with Mona coins. Currently, 720 Mona coins remain on my account balance. Several solutions of this issue were offered by me to the exchange, right now I am waiting for an answer.

I am glad that the livecoin staff chosen a civilized solution of the issue, and I would like to thank them for that. However, I realize that without all of you who supported me, people who were on a side of common sense and solid evidence, this would not have happened, and therefore it is solely your merit! Thanks a lot! Only because of people like you, the exchanges will try to work honestly and in the whole world of cryptocurrency there will be fewer scammers! I am so proud of you and how you defend not only your rights, but also the rights of other people, this is amazing!

Moreover, I sincerely would like to thank people who were concerned about this problem and offered to compensate my financial losses from their own funds. I think this should not be done and I cannot take your money, because it does not solve the main problem which must be solved by its initiator, namely the exchange. The exchange should understand that in the future if they will treat someone else as they treated me, they will have the same problem and it should make them think about it 100 times before repeating this mistake again. We are all gathered here to make sure the exchange is solving any issues users have by using civilized methods, and not to ensure that users solve the problems of this exchange. We all remember how after having lost my money during the attack 51% on the MONA network, the exchange sent me to solve their problem (which they allowed to happen) to the developer! Of course, it would be very convenient for them if their problems were solved by the users themselves, but then why do we even need such an exchange? Do they exist just to receive money and do nothing else? I think we should help this exchange to make some improvements by pointing out to their mistakes and help them to become a good exchange, if they are ready to listen.

Right now, I would like to share some of my thoughts with you.
I never read this forum much prior to having this issue with livecoin and this issue has changed everything radically. It was not easy for me to decide how to react correctly.
One of my options was to satisfy the illegal demand of the exchange and delete my reviews about their work in hopes that they will return my funds, which they have taken away to pressure me. However, I understood that they would only allow to take my BTC back (which they were holding to put pressure on me) but MONA coins would never be returned to me. I was thinking, what if I am not the first person who follows the exchange demands and deletes his reviews under the threat of losing his money? After all, the stock exchange cannot behave so brazenly out of nothing, this means that this strategy worked for them previously.
I wanted to defend my truth, but at the same time I was afraid of losing my money. My communication was suppressed by a large amount of negativity and unwarranted insults, along with baseless accusations that I received in my address from people supporting this exchange. Guys, only your support helped me a lot at that moment and thank you again for it! Because of your support, we got to the present moment of the development of the situation.

This situation has shown not only problems with the exchange, it has clearly demonstrated what people are ready to do just for money. Some of them were simply insulting me, others blamed that I specifically stated the problem in the English branch of the forum to get support. It seemed to me they were really upset about it, because they could have put more pressure on me in the Russian branch of the forum instead. Now I would like to point out those people who tried to prevent conflict resolution and aggravate it.



this alpha male guy has repeatedly stated that most English-speaking users are youngsters who envy the guys from Eastern Europe because they have the most beautiful girls in the world, that is why they are supporting me. At this time, he continues to carry utter nonsense about my involvement in the attack, backing up his accusations with the fact that I am not interested in returning my funds, and my only interest is to get an opportunity to deposit/withdrawal of Mona coins through the exchange.



always follows a livecoin representatives and supports all their statements, no matter how silly they are. At the very beginning, when I just voiced my concern, he called me a fraudster. How a person who demands the return of his money can be called a fraudster is still not clear to me. He is constantly trying to set up other users against me.

I don’t know why the hell they are doing this. If they are doing this for money, then it’s very stupid, because by helping fraudsters for 3 cents they are causing harm not only to me personally, but they harm the whole crypto community.

When I was looking at their posts I thought, damn it, I hope people would not fall into their trap and not believe in that nonsense. At some point I was even afraid of this, but I caught myself thinking: “how can anyone believe in that nonsense?!”. Then I saw people who supported me and once again made sure that the truth is easily distinguished from lies.

I gave them enough time to demonstrate their ability to carry this unthinkable nonsense, but I think this is the right time to reply to them.

I NEVER asked to open deposit/withdrawal opportunity, I only asked to RETURN my funds and nothing else. I was afraid that they would only give me back my BTC (which were being held to put pressure on me) and my MONA coins would not be returned or returned of their current market value to BTC. But no matter how much you call Mona a “shit coin”, it ranks TOP 70 Coinmarketcap with a capitalization of more than $ 100 million! Therefore, I want the exchange to return my Mona coins, so I could continue to hold them until they reach the price level at which I bought those coins, and I am sure they will reach that price again.
If you really want to know, I certainly would agree if they give me back the BTC that I spent on buying Mona! If I initially stated that I want compensation in BTC, then I would have heard 10 times more insults in my address than I had already heard. They would certainly begin to speak in their accusations; “Hey, look, it's just a loser-trader who has lost profit and is now trying to recover what he has lost!” Therefore, I consider it fair if they just return my Mona coins and I will continue to hold them. It does not matter how they will return them to me, by opening a deposit/withdrawal option or from any other wallet. I repeat once again that I would agree to compensation in BTC, or any other cryptocurrency in the amount corresponding to the value of 0.30 BTC at this moment.

Once more, I would like to thank all the forum users (of the Russian - speaking and English - speaking branches) that support me. I am so grateful for your support, it is very important to me to know that there are people who are willing to provide support when someone needs it.

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July 22, 2019, 05:20:33 AM
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You never could withdrawal your MONA -- not for one day. You bought MONA on the exchange after the 51% attack, and after withdrawals had been disabled. What happened was, you bought MONA, forgot about it for a year, and then was dismayed to find out withdrawals were still closed. You bitched incessantly at Livecoin about not being able to withdrawal your coins. They explained the situation to you. You then took to the internet to bitch about it, and they suspended your account.

Now that they have re-opened your account, you did exactly what I thought you were going to do: continue bitching about not being able to withdrawal the MONA. You should have kept better track of what was going on on the exchange during the entire year you had coins on it.

Livecoin is obviously buying up outstanding MONA at 0.00003 BTC before the delisting - they have created a buywall of 10,000 coins at this price to give MONA holders a chance to sell before its too late. If I were you I would sell your holdings for this price, withdrawal your BTC, and be happy that you got anything at all.

Shit happens. Sure, part of the blame is Livecoin's, but part of it is yours for not paying attention to what was happening with your own investment. Their reputation here has already been severely damaged. My bet is they are not going to buy MONA specifically for you to withdrawal, so if I were you I would take what I can get and get out now.

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July 22, 2019, 05:39:29 AM
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As I suggested and predicted.

That's the most sensible way to proceed. You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

Edit: just read nutildah's post. Looks like they are going to make you whole.




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Last edit: July 22, 2019, 07:20:59 AM by Vadi2323
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You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer Sad

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

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July 22, 2019, 07:07:39 AM
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MONA price - $1.94

What was the total value of other coins that you were able to withdraw please?

Is that all that’s left to deal with now 720 MONA?
Please don't tell me this whole mess & drama involving half of the fucking forum has been over 720 x of this penny stock shit coin?

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July 22, 2019, 07:21:45 AM
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MONA price - $1.94

What was the total value of other coins that you were able to withdraw please?

Is that all that’s left to deal with now 720 MONA?
Please don't tell me this whole mess & drama involving half of the fucking forum has been over 720 x of this penny stock shit coin?

The number here does not matter. It is important how they relate to the user and that they allowed the conflict to grow to such a level because of this amount.

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July 22, 2019, 07:43:26 AM
Last edit: July 23, 2019, 07:18:35 AM by mindrust
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 #331

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer Sad

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.
Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to be afraid of?

Locking his account was a mistake.

If I were Livecoin, I wouldn't lock hiS account, let him withdraw whatever funds he has there but I also wouldn't buy any mona coins from the market just to pay him since the missing shitcoins weren't livecoin's fault.




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July 22, 2019, 08:07:26 AM
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You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer Sad

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.
Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Locking his account was a mistake.

If I were Livecoin, I wouldn't lock hiS account, let him withdraw whatever funds he has there but I also wouldn't buy any mona coins from the market just to pay him since the missing shitcoins weren't livecoin's fault.


Totally agree mindrust, Livecoin should pay him the cost of the Mona tokens/coins in bitcoin & just be done with this sorry episode. I really thought this case must have been so much worse given all the publicity it got here.

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July 22, 2019, 09:15:51 AM
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At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds. Concerning the situation with MONA, we posted news with detailed explanations following this link - https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/261
We are unable to bear more responsibility for an asset, than its developer. It is stated in the User agreement, which a user either accepts at signing up, or doesn't use our Service at all. The fact, that izooomrud used our Service, suggests that he agreed to this clause, saying the following:

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The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses.

Besides alleged theft accusations, this user also made threats against us. His charges have no grounds at all and breach the User agreement rules, which the user accepted at registration, and that leads to the account shut-down.

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July 22, 2019, 09:19:00 AM
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At the moment, izooomrud account is fully unblocked. He can withdraw or sell his funds. Concerning the situation with MONA, we posted news with detailed explanations following this link - https://www.livecoin.net/en/news/view/261
We are unable to bear more responsibility for an asset, than its developer. It is stated in the User agreement, which a user either accepts at signing up, or doesn't use our Service at all. The fact, that izooomrud used our Service, suggests that he agreed to this clause, saying the following:

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The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses.

Besides alleged theft accusations, this user also made threats against us. His charges have no grounds at all and breach the User agreement rules, which the user accepted at registration, and that leads to the account shut-down.

I appreciate that you let the user withdraw their funds, this was the right thing to do just as delisting the MONA trading pair. You still have people here that don't think of you as scammers, so just continue doing what you are now doing and try and improve, that's all I could ask for anyways.

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July 22, 2019, 11:23:33 AM
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You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer Sad

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.
Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Do use your had:

Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

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July 22, 2019, 11:45:00 AM
Merited by malevolent (1)
 #336

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer Sad

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.
Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Do use your had:

Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

And?

I don't see your goddamn point.

That doesn't mean he was lying. Livecoin's own words verified that OP wasn't lying. What are you talking about here?




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July 22, 2019, 11:53:57 AM
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I don't see your goddamn point.

That doesn't mean he was lying. Livecoin's own words verified that OP wasn't lying. What are you talking about here?

You don't see it, because you don't use your had.

Obviously because OP said that even lying is not against ToS (which has been brought up by livecoin), everything OP says is a lie.  Roll Eyes

If i were you, i wouldn't bother to argue with those people defending livecoin.
Anyone who doesn't accept that their ToS is illegal and their legal status is somewhat unknown either doesn't want to accept it or simply is delusional.

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Last edit: July 22, 2019, 01:06:57 PM by Vadi2323
 #338

You can't withdraw (all) your MONA because they don't exist and I don't think it was livecoin's fault.

He was told this right away. But he began to threaten the employees of the exchange and insult them. You guys supported the liar, scammer and blackmailer Sad

The overwhelming part of the Russian forum did not support him.

A пo фaктy нeт тaкoгo пyнктa кoтopый зaпpeщaeт мнe лгaть нa биpжy.
Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

Livecoin's ToS was a PoS. I know that much.

He threatened livecoin with what? Creating a thread in BTT? How is that a threat unless you have something to afraid of?

Do use your had:

Translation:
And in fact there is no such item that prohibits me to lie about the stock exchange.

And?

I don't see your goddamn point.

That doesn't mean he was lying. Livecoin's own words verified that OP wasn't lying. What are you talking about here?

You have a business. izooomrud requires money from you, and if you refuse, he promises to give you black PR and destroy your business. Is it a threat or what?

Are you stupid or simply doing signature spam?

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You have a business. Izumrud izooomrud requires money from you his money back from you, and if you refuse, he promises to give you black PR and destroy your business tell the truth. Is it a threat or what?

Fixed your mistakes.

And to answer your question.. well this could be seen as a threat. But a justified one.
"If you don't return my money, i tell the truth about you" is a threat. But this doesn't make it a 'bad one'.



Are you stuped or simply doing signature spam?

What is stuped ? Is this something to eat ?

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If your exchange has this clause
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The Service does not bear responsibility for losses incurred by vulnerability or any kind of failure of software (nodes, wallets) used by the third parties, or glitch in the software (nodes, wallets), provided by the third parties, as well as failure of blockchains or any other technical problems specific of Cryptocurrencies traded at the Platform. The Service is not liable for damages due to late report from cryptocurrency developers or representatives (or no report at all) of any issues with cryptocurrency including all sorts of forks, node technical issues or any other issues potentially resulting in fund losses.

And a coin you offer on the exchange has this in their license (monero)
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IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT [...] DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, [...] LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS [...]) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY [...] INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE [...] ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE

There needs to be a little more to inform traders that if anything happens it falls completely on their own shoulders. You cant just shrug it off and say "well it's in the ToS". This information needs to be clear to the trader or else you're going to run into these public discussions where your exchange practices are scrutinized.

FWIW I personally don't think the word scam fits here, shady and untrustworthy are better descriptors and are why I still support this flag and if it weren't the Flag2 a Flag1 would be fully justified to warn newbies/guests.
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