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Author Topic: ⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!  (Read 129354 times)
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November 13, 2021, 08:05:57 PM
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Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United, I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United.  This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league.  With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
If Man United loses to Villareal then Atalanta will overtake the points. For me, I'm pretty sure the Young boys can lose to Atalanta, only Man United is still under threat with a slight difference in points, and Ole Gunner somehow has to survive with his win, but this away match is quite tough for him to win.

Ole is quite immune to negative news about his dismissal, until now it is still being maintained even though it is clear how United are currently playing in the premier league.
But he like a mother's favorite child.
I feel sad for Ole because the Man United upcoming Champion league is a must win for his team and for the record Man United have this year in the Europa league which ends in a draw so Villarreal will want to play their best football cause they won't want the same thing to happen to them and check the table they both need to win if they want to move to the next stage.

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November 13, 2021, 08:06:16 PM
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If Man United loses to Villareal then Atalanta will overtake the points. For me, I'm pretty sure the Young boys can lose to Atalanta, only Man United is still under threat with a slight difference in points, and Ole Gunner somehow has to survive with his win, but this away match is quite tough for him to win. Ole is quite immune to negative news about his dismissal, until now it is still being maintained even though it is clear how United are currently playing in the premier league. But he like a mother's favorite child.
Atalanta is in great shape so I think Young Boys have no chance and just like Villarreal they have a very good impenetrable defense. In general, I think that Villarreal will play again in the night with Manchester, as it was 5 times in a row, (despite the fact that 4 out of 6 games ended with a score of 0:0). In general, after the next round, Atalanta will definitely be in second place (Villarreal is in first place due to the difference between goals scored and conceded).

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November 13, 2021, 08:13:13 PM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.

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November 13, 2021, 09:41:21 PM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
chelsea has the upper hand in this match because indeed the stampord bridge is sometimes too scary to enter, especially for juventus who this week will play quite difficult because indeed in serie a he will also play lazio in the same week which is 3 days before against chelsea.
on the other hand chelsea are also seeded with full support and this could be a grave for juventus at this stage.

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November 13, 2021, 11:59:12 PM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match.

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November 14, 2021, 12:27:23 AM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match.

A draw might be possible because for Chelsea it means they are through, but Chelsea probably won't play for a draw. They could really get into trouble if they lose the game. Keep in mind that the game against Zenits was only 1 - 0 for Chelsea. If Chelsea loses this and Zenit wins the next game, they have 6 points a final against Chelsea in a home game with real chances to make it to the final stage of the CL then. I am sure Chelsea is trying to play this one for the total three points.

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November 14, 2021, 08:39:16 AM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match.

A draw might be possible because for Chelsea it means they are through, but Chelsea probably won't play for a draw. They could really get into trouble if they lose the game. Keep in mind that the game against Zenits was only 1 - 0 for Chelsea. If Chelsea loses this and Zenit wins the next game, they have 6 points a final against Chelsea in a home game with real chances to make it to the final stage of the CL then. I am sure Chelsea is trying to play this one for the total three points.
I think Chelsea will play it all out against Juventus and become a place of revenge because in the first meeting they were defeated by Juventus, moreover this fight will determine who will win the group, it is very important to get the group winner position and it can be an easy thing face opponents in the round of 16.

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November 14, 2021, 09:23:33 AM
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Yes, these odds look pretty unfair for Juventus. Juventus may perform poorly in Serie A, but as often happens in Euro cups, this is a completely different game with a different level of concentration, motivation and results. Maybe it takes into account the fact that Juventus has already secured a place in the playoffs and will not waste energy? But on the other hand, it is more profitable to take the first place in the group than the second.

It’s not why risk energy...  It’s why risk injury that would cost them another set of bad runs in the Serie A.  Juventus can  take it easy vs Chelsea  and give some players on the bench some time on the pitch, hopefully get a draw and do it again vs Malmo and could even win.  Grin

From a betting perspective it feels like an under 2.5 kind of scenario.  Not much value at 1.86 tho.  Pass...

Even if Juventus makes a certain rotation of the squad, this will not greatly affect its chances - the second-tier players will be as motivated as possible (especially in the Champions League match) to show themselves and prove to the coach that they need to be given more playing practice. In any case, such odds are unfounded. Now it looks like Chelsea is the Real Madrid of its golden era and Juventus is an average team.

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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match.

A draw might be possible because for Chelsea it means they are through, but Chelsea probably won't play for a draw. They could really get into trouble if they lose the game. Keep in mind that the game against Zenits was only 1 - 0 for Chelsea. If Chelsea loses this and Zenit wins the next game, they have 6 points a final against Chelsea in a home game with real chances to make it to the final stage of the CL then. I am sure Chelsea is trying to play this one for the total three points.
I think Chelsea will play it all out against Juventus and become a place of revenge because in the first meeting they were defeated by Juventus, moreover this fight will determine who will win the group, it is very important to get the group winner position and it can be an easy thing face opponents in the round of 16.

It is not about the defeat in the first game, not at all. It is about the risk to lose and go into the Europa League. That would be a very dangerous strategy to just go for second place. They need to play their absolute best with the strongest squad possible. Anything else would be naive.

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Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United, I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United.  This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league.  With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
Although currently Manchester United has experienced some painful defeats, but I am very optimistic that Manchester United will be able to beat Vila Real, because a big club like Manchester United, has a big history in the Champions League, I am optimistic that Manchester United will be able to advance to the last 16 of the Champions League.

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November 14, 2021, 03:49:15 PM
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Although currently Manchester United has experienced some painful defeats, but I am very optimistic that Manchester United will be able to beat Vila Real, because a big club like Manchester United, has a big history in the Champions League, I am optimistic that Manchester United will be able to advance to the last 16 of the Champions League.
I don't know how you manage to see hope in this team, perhaps, your a die hard fan (no need to take me on it, I'm just saying) but, from the games they've played so far as you know it, even in the UCL and EPL, it's been a hard win for them with Ole managing the team. Manchester United don't seem much like an elite team anymore, same could be said of Barcelona too. They seem to be at a better place to advance but so do Villarreal and I'm sure, Atalanta would be beating Young Boys  to bag all 3 points and make it to an 8 points in total. Ronaldo saved them @Manchester United the last time, let's hope he also does the same come 23rd too.

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November 14, 2021, 03:52:54 PM
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It is not about the defeat in the first game, not at all. It is about the risk to lose and go into the Europa League. That would be a very dangerous strategy to just go for second place. They need to play their absolute best with the strongest squad possible. Anything else would be naive.
Do you believe Zenit will win the remaining two games and Chelsea will lose two Champions League games? In this case, the teams will only equal in points, so that the option in which Chelsea will not be able to leave the group, I think, is not even worth considering, because this will not happen. Chelsea will fight with Juventus for the first place in the group, and I think that in the second leg, Chelsea will not lose, because they will be more motivated to show who is stronger.

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November 14, 2021, 05:50:25 PM
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It is not about the defeat in the first game, not at all. It is about the risk to lose and go into the Europa League. That would be a very dangerous strategy to just go for second place. They need to play their absolute best with the strongest squad possible. Anything else would be naive.
Do you believe Zenit will win the remaining two games and Chelsea will lose two Champions League games? In this case, the teams will only equal in points, so that the option in which Chelsea will not be able to leave the group, I think, is not even worth considering, because this will not happen. Chelsea will fight with Juventus for the first place in the group, and I think that in the second leg, Chelsea will not lose, because they will be more motivated to show who is stronger.
I think group H is only Juventus and Chelsea who have already qualified for the round of 16, Zenit is only able to get 3 points and 6 points adrift of Chelsea who are in second place, Chelsea will face a tough match against Juventus and this match will be the deciding factor for can win the group if Chelsea are able to overcome the resistance of Juventus. On the other hand, even though Zenit was able to win against Malmo, their chances of qualifying as group runners up were very heavy.

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November 14, 2021, 06:37:28 PM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
Chelsea dominated in their last match against Juventus, but Juventus was lucky enough to have a shot on target which resulted to a goal. Well, Chelsea will be playing in their home, and that will boost their morale about winning the match. Anyways, Juventus have to strengthen their defence,if they want to end the game without losing. But, is an important game for Chelsea because they are 3 points behind Juventus on the group table. However, it will definitely be a tough and interesting match to watch. I think Chelsea will fight for a winning.



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November 14, 2021, 06:53:33 PM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
Chelsea dominated in their last match against Juventus, but Juventus was lucky enough to have a shot on target which resulted to a goal. Well, Chelsea will be playing in their home, and that will boost their morale about winning the match. Anyways, Juventus have to strengthen their defence,if they want to end the game without losing. But, is an important game for Chelsea because they are 3 points behind Juventus on the group table. However, it will definitely be a tough and interesting match to watch. I think Chelsea will fight for a winning.
It was clumsy defending by chelsea and italian teams well known good at counter attacking , making a long ball .. two touch and goal , everyone seems never learned but actually that is the playing style of italian teams , i remember when chelsea play against intermilan side where mourinho there at inter .. chelsea are indeed dominated the game but inter the one who converted goal effectively, tuchel must anticipated this.

to make chelsea easier to get through the next phase , a win is a must.

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November 14, 2021, 07:09:01 PM
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Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United,  I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United.
Both teams have had the better of each other and without losing the comfortable position United are sitting on, I think a draw for this game will be the best result but then again on a good day United can be aggressive and win this game for total safety.


 This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league.  With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
certainly wont be an easy game mate and the fans continued pressure to have Ole sacked continues with the upcoming UEFA games, but i don't think this game could get him the boot either because the board seem to side with him, players have taken his side and Sir Alex seemed to have bought him more time too.

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November 14, 2021, 07:40:53 PM
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In the upcoming Champions League, many matches will be highlighted because this will be a decisive factor even though they have 2 matches in the Champions League as a preliminary round.

But here I highlight Mancity vs PSG will the hosts take revenge at the Etihad? This is the moment I've been waiting for and yesterday's defeat to PSG but I'm sure Pep Guardiola will be able to quell that revenge, now it's interesting for me although other matches also need to be watched.

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November 14, 2021, 08:01:49 PM
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Manchester United are going to play an away game against Villarreal next time. And they have an English Premier League game against Watford before this one. In case they lose points there, we could see Manchester United sacking Ole Solskjaer and starting to search for a new manager before the game against Villarreal. Even though they win against Watford, I don't believe in Manchester United to win against Villarreal in this tough game. I think that both teams will score but Villarreal won't lose unless Ole leaves the team.

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November 14, 2021, 08:13:35 PM
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Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United, I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United.  This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league.  With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
Although currently Manchester United has experienced some painful defeats, but I am very optimistic that Manchester United will be able to beat Vila Real, because a big club like Manchester United, has a big history in the Champions League, I am optimistic that Manchester United will be able to advance to the last 16 of the Champions League.

Lets take this one step at a time,they should get three points from watfords game before putting hopes on Villarreal ole failed to win during the Europa league finals.
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November 14, 2021, 08:21:16 PM
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Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
Chelsea dominated in their last match against Juventus, but Juventus was lucky enough to have a shot on target which resulted to a goal. Well, Chelsea will be playing in their home, and that will boost their morale about winning the match. Anyways, Juventus have to strengthen their defence,if they want to end the game without losing. But, is an important game for Chelsea because they are 3 points behind Juventus on the group table. However, it will definitely be a tough and interesting match to watch. I think Chelsea will fight for a winning.
It was clumsy defending by chelsea and italian teams well known good at counter attacking , making a long ball .. two touch and goal , everyone seems never learned but actually that is the playing style of italian teams , i remember when chelsea play against intermilan side where mourinho there at inter .. chelsea are indeed dominated the game but inter the one who converted goal effectively, tuchel must anticipated this.

to make chelsea easier to get through the next phase , a win is a must.
That is just the way many Italian Teams play, it seems as if they are allergic to holding to the ball for any amount of time but they are great at counterattacking, the national team of Italy has reached 6 finals and won 4 world cups by having the best defense possible, a great goalkeeper and a lethal striker that can score a goal with the limited opportunities he may get, so the fact that their opponent has the most opportunities to score or a very long possession of the ball does not matter at all because that is by design with many Italian teams.
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