⚽UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread -- 2021/22 winner - Real Madrid!

[Slow death]

Juventus have no chance of winning the Champions League title. That also testifies to the odds you get if they do manage to win the title. When Ronaldo was still playing there, they actually accomplished nothing, eliminated against Ajax and Lyon. Especially against Lyon was an embarrassment time. And now without Ronaldo it doesn't work at all. Admittedly, with a favorable draw you can go far without playing well.

I agree with that, Ronaldo was a very good player, but it was not possible to make this team champion alone. In order for a team to be a champion, every player must be successful, players who can score goals or pass well are not enough for this.
I think they have a much worse team this year compared to previous years. They didn't even lead their league

the problem of manchester united and the manager, to solve the problems of manchester united first the management of the club needs to hire a good manager and then this new manager will choose the players that need to stay and the players that need to leave the club and the new players that need to be hired. ronaldo alone with this current coach he won't help at all, he can't even be visible on the field. It's really a big problem in Manchester United scenario, they spend a lot of money on unproductive players on offense and defense

[joker_josue]

Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo have over and Europe competition is not matching for him, look at statistic with Manchester United in five games Ronaldo without any contribution and failed scored goal and contributed with assist, maybe move to easy competition like MLS is best option for him still have higher market value. I think Manchester United can't talk more on champion league although have Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe quarter final is the best achievement in this year.

Sorry but I have to disagree! Man United's fault for being in this situation cannot be blamed on Ronaldo, he is the one who has tried the most for the club to achieve victories. You can see that he gets really outraged when things don't go well. But it's not coming in 20 minutes from the end of the game that he'll have to save the team, that's not how it is.

Man United's problem, just like Juventus had, is that they hire Ronaldo and expect him to do all the work himself. It doesn't work like that, you have to build a balanced team with good players. Man United's midfield is worthless, they seem to be good players, but then on the pitch they don't help the team to attack. But it seems that they are more concerned with not conceding goals than scoring them.

Then it's easy to blame Ronaldo. But honestly, Ronaldo is the least guilty of this situation that Man United is suffering.

[tulusikhlas]

Ronaldo is a player with a lot of experience. There was a time when Real Madrid managed to win the CL no less than 3 times in a row. You don't just do that. Ronaldo has played a very big role in that. Without him, it would never have been possible. Without him they probably wouldn't even have won the final once in those 3 years.

When talking about Cristiano Ronaldo, everyone knows what he has achieved, from the many team and individual awards he has received. Even some difficult records, he managed to break.
But when it comes to team play, no matter how good the quality of the players, he can't work alone. There must be a supporting factor from his teammates. Cooperation is the key to success.

[babo]

the problem of manchester united and the manager, to solve the problems of manchester united first the management of the club needs to hire a good manager and then this new manager will choose the players that need to stay and the players that need to leave the club and the new players that need to be hired. ronaldo alone with this current coach he won't help at all, he can't even be visible on the field. It's really a big problem in Manchester United scenario, they spend a lot of money on unproductive players on offense and defense

I have not followed the events of Manchester United, but I agree with you
To function well, a team needs good people in all sectors: not just players and coaches
- the athletic trainer is also very important
- management and managers are also very important
- even the owner, who is not a spoiled child who stamps his foot if the team does not always win

I'm sorry for Manchester United anyway

[BALIK]

the problem of manchester united and the manager, to solve the problems of manchester united first the management of the club needs to hire a good manager and then this new manager will choose the players that need to stay and the players that need to leave the club and the new players that need to be hired. ronaldo alone with this current coach he won't help at all, he can't even be visible on the field. It's really a big problem in Manchester United scenario, they spend a lot of money on unproductive players on offense and defense

I have not followed the events of Manchester United, but I agree with you
To function well, a team needs good people in all sectors: not just players and coaches
- the athletic trainer is also very important
- management and managers are also very important
- even the owner, who is not a spoiled child who stamps his foot if the team does not always win
I'm sorry for Manchester United anyway

Manchester United's squad is not weak. Their striker is Cavani and star players like Rashford and Ronaldo. They are talented and experienced. They have players like Pogba, Bruno and Sancho in their midfield. Undoubtedly one of the best midfielders in the world. At the same time Bailly and Varane are very experienced defenders. Now their main problem is that their match strategy is not right. They should now dismiss the coach and appoint an experienced coach.

[abhiseshakana]

Man United's problem, just like Juventus had, is that they hire Ronaldo and expect him to do all the work himself. It doesn't work like that, you have to build a balanced team with good players. Man United's midfield is worthless, they seem to be good players, but then on the pitch they don't help the team to attack. But it seems that they are more concerned with not conceding goals than scoring them.

I have the same thought. There is a gap in Man United's midfield, where they cannot deliver the ball optimally to the front lines, and even when defending Man United's midfield didn't seem to help much (especially when they face a counterattack). I think what Man United needs now is a midfielder who can play the role of a water carrier because of all the midfielders that Man United currently has, no one can do that role.

Besides that, Man United also needs a strong central defender because Maguire is also a weakness for Man United and he should be put on the bench.

[BuNga_cute]

Ronaldo is a player with a lot of experience. There was a time when Real Madrid managed to win the CL no less than 3 times in a row. You don't just do that. Ronaldo has played a very big role in that. Without him, it would never have been possible. Without him they probably wouldn't even have won the final once in those 3 years.

When talking about Cristiano Ronaldo, everyone knows what he has achieved, from the many team and individual awards he has received. Even some difficult records, he managed to break.
But when it comes to team play, no matter how good the quality of the players, he can't work alone. There must be a supporting factor from his teammates. Cooperation is the key to success.

Football is a game that requires the cooperation of many people, even though Cristiano Ronaldo has very good abilities. But if players only rely on
individual abilities in scoring goals, it will definitely be difficult to make the team win. Ronaldo needs the support of other players at Man United to be
able to score a lot of goals, there must be a solid cooperation between Ronaldo and his other Man United players. Take a look when Ronaldo was
successful with Real Madrid, there are many players who help Ronaldo. I see Man United this season not having good cooperation between fellow
players, although Man United have a lot of quality players, the reality is that they struggle to win. Man United needs a coach who can make his players
work well together, instead of competing with each other to show their respective skills. I don't think it's Ronaldo's fault or any of the other
Man United players, they are difficult to show good performance, because of less effective instructions from the coach.

[Velvet78]

I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

[KTChampions]

I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

Bookmaker quotes for the first match of this confrontation at the moment are as follows:

2,48 - 3,25 - 3,00

I can imagine how analysts have a headache when they try to figure out how these two losers will play against each other 
I don't consider United an outsider or a favorite - they are unstable (by the way, unlike Atlético which seem to have become consistently bad). United can lose or win big, for me it's a completely random match.

[joker_josue]

Football is a game that requires the cooperation of many people, even though Cristiano Ronaldo has very good abilities. But if players only rely on
individual abilities in scoring goals, it will definitely be difficult to make the team win. Ronaldo needs the support of other players at Man United to be
able to score a lot of goals, there must be a solid cooperation between Ronaldo and his other Man United players. Take a look when Ronaldo was
successful with Real Madrid, there are many players who help Ronaldo. I see Man United this season not having good cooperation between fellow
players, although Man United have a lot of quality players, the reality is that they struggle to win. Man United needs a coach who can make his players
work well together, instead of competing with each other to show their respective skills. I don't think it's Ronaldo's fault or any of the other
Man United players, they are difficult to show good performance, because of less effective instructions from the coach.

That's it, they can't put the ball on Ronaldo and wait for him to solve all the problems.
What Man United lacks is knowing how to play as a team, which they don't do. The defense seems to play alone, the midfield is every man for himself, and then the ball doesn't reach the attack.

Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

[tulusikhlas]

I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

It's true that Atletico Madrid are in bad shape too, but Manchester United are worse than them. In the Premier League they have been very disappointing, they were eliminated in the FA Cup after losing to Middlesbrough, and in the Premier League match they were held to a draw by relegation team Burnley.
Even so I hope like you, yes I hope they do well in the Champions League later.

[KingsDen]

Man United's problem, just like Juventus had, is that they hire Ronaldo and expect him to do all the work himself. It doesn't work like that, you have to build a balanced team with good players. Man United's midfield is worthless, they seem to be good players, but then on the pitch they don't help the team to attack. But it seems that they are more concerned with not conceding goals than scoring them.

I have the same thought. There is a gap in Man United's midfield, where they cannot deliver the ball optimally to the front lines, and even when defending Man United's midfield didn't seem to help much (especially when they face a counterattack). I think what Man United needs now is a midfielder who can play the role of a water carrier because of all the midfielders that Man United currently has, no one can do that role.

Besides that, Man United also needs a strong central defender because Maguire is also a weakness for Man United and he should be put on the bench.

Manchester United has lost the crop of players that are always dedicated and thirsty to win matches and trophies. The likes of Vidic, Evera, Ferdinand, Ronaldo, Rooney, Valencia, etc.
In the current Manchester united squad, the only smart guys are the two old guys (Ronaldo and Cavani). Fred is dedicated too, unlike the likes of Rashford who literally will want to trek even in the pitch. Pogba and his friends are good at snaping and posting on the social media.

[Minor Miner]

I think that this is not the end for Manchester United in this round of the Champions League. I don't see Atletico Madrid being any better than them. I believe in Manchester United about getting at least a draw in Wanda Metropolitano. And they will qualify for the quarter finals too. But after that, it will depend on their opponent if they can see the semi finals too or not. Manchester United are still having a problematic season in the EPL. But I still expect them to show a better performance here. Maybe they don't have a chance for the title much but they would like to reach the best stage they can.

At the moment, Atletico Madrid and Manchester United seem to be in the same situation. Despite Atletico Madrid having talented strikers like Griezmann, Suarez and Correa, their performance is poor. Atletico Madrid have a lot of problems scoring goals against renowned teams. Manchester United's performance is even weaker. They can't win against any strong team. They have trouble scoring goals even against weaker teams. Ronaldo is not in good form. So I would say that the chances of the two teams winning this match are equal now. No team can play well.

[CryptoBuds]

Football is a game that requires the cooperation of many people, even though Cristiano Ronaldo has very good abilities. But if players only rely on
individual abilities in scoring goals, it will definitely be difficult to make the team win. Ronaldo needs the support of other players at Man United to be
able to score a lot of goals, there must be a solid cooperation between Ronaldo and his other Man United players. Take a look when Ronaldo was
successful with Real Madrid, there are many players who help Ronaldo. I see Man United this season not having good cooperation between fellow
players, although Man United have a lot of quality players, the reality is that they struggle to win. Man United needs a coach who can make his players
work well together, instead of competing with each other to show their respective skills. I don't think it's Ronaldo's fault or any of the other
Man United players, they are difficult to show good performance, because of less effective instructions from the coach.

That's it, they can't put the ball on Ronaldo and wait for him to solve all the problems.
What Man United lacks is knowing how to play as a team, which they don't do. The defense seems to play alone, the midfield is every man for himself, and then the ball doesn't reach the attack.

Therefore, I find it shameful what some are trying to do, which is to blame Ronaldo. That's a little bit what they did at Juventus, but today we saw that the problem was bigger.

^ I really have a doubt that everyone is comparing themselves to Cristiano Ronaldo these days in the Manchester United squad.
They are all trying to make solo plays but when it's not working out it becomes Cristiano Ronaldo's fault and that's hilarious , to be honest.

And sometimes I think that therefore get the ball travels faster than them. I know they are all capable players and can play really good football but the player is nothing without the team, he doesn't matter how great he is.

[Swordsoffreedom]

When you are lucky with draws you will go far in the tournament until you will get to the point where lucky will not work again because the remaining people are all good teams. Juventus will not win the champions league. This year champions league has many favourites and Juventus is not included in them.
When Ronaldo was in Juventus he did his best but his best did not win the champions league. As you said in the above, only one individual cannot do it, the whole teams must be good. Another important thing is the mentality of the coach. If the coach no get winning mentality, he cannot lift the champions league trophy.

The mentality of the winner is quite an ephemeral thing, it depends on a lot of things and may not always be a determining factor, otherwise we would not have seen new Champions League winners and a new person on the coaching bridge at the head of the team. As for Ronaldo's results in the Champions League with Juventus, I would like to say the following: in my opinion, the club really lacked players of the level that Cristiano was with Real Madrid. By the way, to the question of the winner's mentality, what kind of winner's mentality as a coach can we talk about Zidane when he won the Champions League for the first time? Or Jurgen Klopp at the head of Liverpool, when he already had a bad experience of playing in the Champions League final?

A coach controls a lot of aspects of the game that is going to be played and a motivated coach can also motivate the players in a certain way that they will feel like winning or losing is more like living and dying.

A coach can motivate a player in such away. But I still feel like the job has to be done by the players and not only one of them but also the whole squad has to play together to win or else having a good coach or great squad doesn't mean anything if you cannot win.

[izsara]

Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo have over and Europe competition is not matching for him, look at statistic with Manchester United in five games Ronaldo without any contribution and failed scored goal and contributed with assist, maybe move to easy competition like MLS is best option for him still have higher market value. I think Manchester United can't talk more on champion league although have Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe quarter final is the best achievement in this year.

agree with what you said, his era is not over but indeed the top European leagues are now quite tough so indeed he can't have high hopes for him now even though his performances are still quite good.
On the other hand, I still believe I am also quite pessimistic that they can reach the quarter-finals at UCL because their current performance is getting worse and worse.

[DU18]

Maybe Cristiano Ronaldo have over and Europe competition is not matching for him, look at statistic with Manchester United in five games Ronaldo without any contribution and failed scored goal and contributed with assist, maybe move to easy competition like MLS is best option for him still have higher market value. I think Manchester United can't talk more on champion league although have Cristiano Ronaldo, maybe quarter final is the best achievement in this year.

agree with what you said, his era is not over but indeed the top European leagues are now quite tough so indeed he can't have high hopes for him now even though his performances are still quite good.
On the other hand, I still believe I am also quite pessimistic that they can reach the quarter-finals at UCL because their current performance is getting worse and worse.

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

[nelson4lov]

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

[qory]

Ronaldo may not be the best player anymore, but he is still very valuable. Mbappe is basically much better, faster, and more technical. But Ronaldo has much more experience and has his status with him. At the decisive moments he really put a lot of balls in it. Mbappe has yet to show it all. he has not yet succeeded in that at PSG in the CL.

[Joca97]

Many people still believe with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are best player in the world right now and they not memorize how old age for both player, looking on statistic between Messi and Ronaldo I think not really potential as best player for this season. But we need waiting with Manchester United and PSG how far they can talk in champion league on this season. Can Ronaldo make United pass to final and Messi can give champion league first trophy for PSG? still have one week later for Manchester United against Villareal and PSG will get difficult faced with Real Madrid on champion league knock out.

As much as Ronaldo and Messi fans would argue that the pair are still on top of their game, it's not hard to see that they have passed their peaks and their performances from the last 2-3 seasons have been diminishing. Between Man Utd and PSG, only PSG has the best chance to make it to the finals - judging from Man Utd recent PL results, it's a good thing they have a pretty easy team compared to PSG that are up against Madrid.

I dont think Man Utd even with Ronaldo they wont even reach the quarter finals with how bad they are playing ,they dont stand a chance against any team currently. Messi’s PSG is a superstar team but they dont play like a team and thats why i dont see them winning the champions league. Main favorites are Bayern Munich and Man City and as a surprise team i would choose Ajax.