Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[Oppolee]

As if there was not, but "Azov" fighting against the external enemy. They are protecting Ukraine from Russian invaders. And what does the territory of Russia Kadyrov You forgot that he cut the throat of Russian soldiers?

Ooo... We have a troll (was was it piktsy?) infestation here.

Now, the following is for the benefit of other readers - as I said on many similar occasions before - these trolls are beyond any hope of redemption.

What kind of invisible and inept "Russian invaders" they are that they manage to mop-up Syrian terrorists, but totally fail to materialise in Donbass - so much so that Azov need to channel their own aggression though shelling of residential outskirts of Donetsk an Lugansk? You hoax of "Russian aggression" could have been swallowed by the gullible people without knowledge of the local situation in 2014. Now you resemble the boy who cried wolf - for over 2 years strait.

What Ramzan Kadyrov, whose father was killed by externally financed terrorists, and who later managed to unify Chechenia within Russia, has to do anything with this?

Russia has been trying (together with Germany and France) to force Poroshenko to take the path of peace through constitutional reforms and federalisation of the Ukrainian state. Poroshenko, on the other hand is interested in a slow-burning conflict as that gives him the excuse to channel the radical force's (who put him into power) aggression elsewhere so that they don't turn on him, and he retains his access to the dwindling state resource for personal gain. The radical forces - Azov being only one of those - are interested in an all-out war, as that will give them the opportunity to get to the only source of resources left in Ukraine - the presidential chair. Pososhenko has more and more difficulty in controlling the situation, as the recent provocations demonstrate. Expect Poroshenko to be gone (violently) in the coming 2-4 months, and possibly Yats again becoming the "human face to the West" of the new, more radical, regime.

Then, a bit of history:



I am more than sure that the trolls here can read the above, as they use Russian in their day-to-day communication. I will translate for the benefit of the reader:

Ukro-patriots. Learn this by heart. In 1922 Ukraine ascended into USSR without Harkov, without Herson, without Odessa and Donetsk, without Lugansk, and, of course, without Crimea. Ukraine even didn't have Lvov back then. All these lands Ukraine got while being a part of the "damned" USSR. For free.

Well, the year in the picture above is possibly off by 3 years, but the essence remains.

Here is the sequence of events from back then. This following is a quick translation by me of a reply in a discussion on a similar topic (sorry for the stylistics).

Everything is clear with the period of the Russian empire. No national republics existed before 1917. Further, after the revolution, on January 30, 1918 in Kharkov hotel "Metropol" there took place the 4th Regional Congress of Soviets of Workers' Deputies which initially proclaimed the creation DKR (Donetsk - Krivoy Rog Republic). But it was not enough to declare it creation, it is needed be reaffirmed, acknowledged, and not only orally, but de facto. After all, a war was going on, and there was chaos in the country. Nearby to the self-proclaimed DKR was just as equally self-proclaimed UPR (Ukrainian People's Republic) - a unit in the central part of the outskirts (Okraina - Ukraina) of the former Russian Empire, acting against the Soviet authorities.

And there lay the problem, because a few days before the official proclamation of the DKR, the UNR Central Council (with the center in Kiev) signed in Brest an anti-Russian treaty with Germany and Austria-Hungary, which allowed the entry of the Austro-German forces on its breakaway territory. Clearly they had no legal rights to do so, but in general they did 100 years ago exactly what they do now - lying down with pleasure and selling themselves to the West. At the same time, the UPR did not just ask the Germans for protection, but also gave away to the invaders of the West Polesie with the Belarusian people and Donbass itself, which the Ukrainian Parliament considered to be theirs, while the Petrograd and DKR itself considered themselves to be Soviet.

So, on one hand a unitarian Ukraine did not exist back then, but rather there were two conflicting with one another breakaway territories, and the other, at the beginning of March 1918 the Germans outright occupied Donbass, and without Russia, which later fought off the land from the enemy, they (Ukraine) would simply not come to pass. Let's continue.

Next, by the decision of Germany and Austria-Hungary, the wishing to be Soviet leadership of the not yet manifested Donetsk republic, was deposed and a commissioner was appointed - Hetman Skoropadsky. While the occupied -both UNR and DKR they called for Ukrainian State. Later, having renamed it to the Ukrainian People's Republic, they put in charge one of their own, the present "independence hero" Petliura, who under the auspices of the Germans, cut down all right, left and centre - both the partisans of Makhno, and the Reds, and the Whites, and the locals. After the defeat of Germany and its allies and the return of Donbass by the Soviet military into Russia, Stalin said: "There is no need and should be no separate Don-Kriv-Bass", and with that he annexed this territory to the formed at that time united Ukrainian SSR. But they (Donbass) initially did not want it! What does this mean? The fact that even the earliest Donbass, at the end of accession in 1922 was also presented the UkSSR (Ukraine) for free. Presented by Russia. Of which the image above speaks. Before the USSR, Ukraine did not have those territories. Just like Ukraine itself did not exist. A couple of months under the German occupation does not count.

Perhaps you are right in that it made sense to supplement the information in the picture that, Donbass was given to Ukraine by Russia in 1919, not in 1922, and I admit it, but this does not change the essence at hand.

Next, on March 10, 1919 3rd Congress of Soviets of the UkSSR took place in Kharkov, which declared the establishment of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR) as an independent state, the draft Constitution of the UkSSR was adopted. The congress approved the policy of the Ukrainian government on the comprehensive strengthening of relations with Soviet Russia. Thus, Ukraine acceded to the wishes of the other independent republics of the Soviets on the establishment of a union with them. And declared desire to become part of Russia. In their desires, they indicated that they consider their own administrative boundaries wherever Ukrainians lived - in Kiev, Kherson, Podolia, Volyn, Kharkov, Poltava, Chernigov, Ekaterinoslav and Tauride areas. But it's all wishing on paper, signed against the backdrop of a civil war and while the Soviet Russian military advanced into Ukraine returning native Russian land. At that time, the civil war in Ukraine was rapidly taking turn to our advantage (in favour of the Reds), and October 11, 1919 Red Army began the decisive offensive against Denikin Red - or in fact, the third attempt to establish the Bolshevik rule on the territory of the former Russian Empire outskirts (okrainas). On December 12th, Soviet troops entered Kharkov, on December 16 - Kiev, on February 7, 1920 - Odessa. Eastern Ukraine is almost completely taken over by the Bolsheviks at the end of December 1919, the central and right-bank Ukraine - by the beginning of 1920.

And only then began the territorial disputes of the Ukrainian SSR and the South-East of Russia. When liberated by Soviet warriors Ukraine, habitually wanted more for themselves, their appetite increased and raised the question of creation of their own Don province, in order to include it in the part of the Donets Coal Basin, which was a part of the Don region of Russia, and at the same time - Taganrog. However, since this issue was discussed in closed circles and without the consent of the administration of the Don Region, on the 17th of January 1920, Donetsk Revolutionary Governorship (Gubrevkom) of the city of Lugansk ordered "until the economic territory of the Donetsk province and the proper distribution of the province areas is clarified, to TEMPORARILY approve ... 11 administrative districts that make up the Donetsk province as described by UkSSR" including there also the territory of the Shakhty district - White-Kalitvensky, Bokovo-Hrustal'nyj, Alexander-Grushevsky areas and individual settlements of the Taganrog district.

I stress, temporarily. As long as the civil war continues.

But be that as it may, in April 1920, at the suggestion of the CPC of Ukraine and Presidium Council decided to establish the Donetsk province (governorship) of Ukraine from the parts of Kharkov, Ekaterinoslav provinces and regions of the Don Cossacks. From Ekaterinoslav province of Russia, Ukraine entirely got Bahmutskiy, Lugansk and Mariupol counties, and from the area of ​​the Don Cossacks, again - Russian - all the Taganrog district, the villages of the district of Donetsk (Gundorovskaya, Kamensky, Kalitvenskaya, Ust-Belaya Kalitva). Lugansk became the centre of Donetsk province.

And this is another "gift" to Ukraine from Russia. But I say it again, it was initially a temporary one.

But in general, there is a visual infographics of the "gifts" by Russia to its Ukrainian republic.


(Dates:
20th November 1917 (proclamation of UPR in Kiev) -> 12th December 1917 (proclamation of the Ukrainian Soviet Republic in Harkov) -> 1st November 1918 (proclamation of Western-Ukrainian People's Republic in Lvov) -> 1919 (Creation of Ukrainian SSR, Western territories fall under Polish control) ->
1939 (Eastern Galicia becomes part of UkSSR) -> 1940 (Northern Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia become part of Ukraine) -> 1945 (Zakarpatie [Trans-Carpathia] becomes part of Ukraine) -> 1954 (Crimea is transferred into UkSSR)

Another map, is the sate of the South-Russian republics by 1917-1918:

ДКP (DKR) - Donetsk-Krivorozhje Republic
УHP (UPR) - Ukrainian People's Republic
КPЫM - Crimean Republic
OДECCA - Odessa Republic

It will tell you in the crazy house. Open the world map and look at the Ukraine. And the number of deaths that occurred in Ukraine due to the Soviet Union you forgot to remember? And we remember!

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[Nemo1024]

It will tell you in the crazy house. Open the world map and look at the Ukraine. And the number of deaths that occurred in Ukraine due to the Soviet Union you forgot to remember? And we remember!

I presented the maps, so I it's not my problem that you cannot read them.
As for the deaths as the direct result of the descruction of Russia - the Civil War, and the subsequent harsh measures by Stalin to push through industialisation (together with misplaced colelctivisation). Ukraine somehow feels the need for entitlement to be the sole martyr of that time. Yet Russia lost more people during the famine (when the "brotherly West" refused to sell technology for gold and demanded payments in wheat, inducing the famine) - especially in the central and Siberian areas. I remember - my great-grandmother died of famine in that period.

[varyspro]

It will tell you in the crazy house. Open the world map and look at the Ukraine. And the number of deaths that occurred in Ukraine due to the Soviet Union you forgot to remember? And we remember!

I presented the maps, so I it's not my problem that you cannot read them.
As for the deaths as the direct result of the descruction of Russia - the Civil War, and the subsequent harsh measures by Stalin to push through industialisation (together with misplaced colelctivisation). Ukraine somehow feels the need for entitlement to be the sole martyr of that time. Yet Russia lost more people during the famine (when the "brotherly West" refused to sell technology for gold and demanded payments in wheat, inducing the famine) - especially in the central and Siberian areas. I remember - my great-grandmother died of famine in that period.

Correctly did. Let me remind you that gold was stolen. Try now to sell the stolen goods. And the starving people were dying because they didn't react that robbed others. Now in Russia the same thing happens.

[Souldream]

Lie ... lie ... no russian soldier in East of Ukraine ... ?

Only dumb russian are listening the biggest liar aka Poutine ...

A little green man ? No ... russian soldier ... must be in holiday !



Where it is ? Disneyland ?

Noooo






I do not know if we must smile about this russian soldier ... who is whinning on social media ... because he left to East ukraina because he has a debt to bank ... and needed money.

Problem ... when i get back to home ... no money was there ... and debt was still there as soldier get not paid ! LoL ...

So he declared himself as bankrupt ... Where is Poutine the great saver ...



Of course how a russian solder get a "military document" under DNR name






And the worst is when we read what he posted ...

->I live in the region of Baikal, it is difficult to find work in Chita, everywhere is downsizing. That is unemployment. Help me, please. Or help me to leave as a volunteer in Syria. There, at least, I will be able to earn money and repay my debts. I thank you in advance.

War pay debts of poor russian....

[JofryTheKing]

It will tell you in the crazy house. Open the world map and look at the Ukraine. And the number of deaths that occurred in Ukraine due to the Soviet Union you forgot to remember? And we remember!

I presented the maps, so I it's not my problem that you cannot read them.
As for the deaths as the direct result of the descruction of Russia - the Civil War, and the subsequent harsh measures by Stalin to push through industialisation (together with misplaced colelctivisation). Ukraine somehow feels the need for entitlement to be the sole martyr of that time. Yet Russia lost more people during the famine (when the "brotherly West" refused to sell technology for gold and demanded payments in wheat, inducing the famine) - especially in the central and Siberian areas. I remember - my great-grandmother died of famine in that period.

Correctly did. Let me remind you that gold was stolen. Try now to sell the stolen goods. And the starving people were dying because they didn't react that robbed others. Now in Russia the same thing happens.

Neither Donetsk nor Lugansk or Kharkiv will never become Russian. I am sure that soon Russia will disintegrate into several small States. It is deceitful and aggressive state has no right to exist. The West should lift sanctions.

[Fizamcc]

Russia wants to seize Ukraine. Will not work. Even if the West refuses to help Ukraine, the Russian army simply did not have the strength for it. The entire might of the Russian army, the whole world saw in Syria. The carrier with the engine on the wood and falling aircraft.

[Nemo1024]

Most people already know about Graham Philips. I just discovered for myself another Western crowd-funded independent reporter in Donbass - Patrick Lancaster

https://twitter.com/PLnewstoday

He also has a YouTube channel with the up-to-date footage. Here is a report from today:

(ENG SUBS) Woman killed in Donetsk as Ukraine destroys 2 homes in a artillery attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpWv7Owvg2g

[Lancusters]

Most people already know about Graham Philips. I just discovered for myself another Western crowd-funded independent reporter in Donbass - Patrick Lancaster

https://twitter.com/PLnewstoday

He also has a YouTube channel with the up-to-date footage. Here is a report from today:

(ENG SUBS) Woman killed in Donetsk as Ukraine destroys 2 homes in a artillery attack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpWv7Owvg2g

Such propaganda paid commercials full YouTube. Only nobody believes them. As Russian trolls. You still remember the video about the crucified boy! The Americans are openly talking about the Russian Donbass. Only selling to Europe shamefully silent, but even there everyone knows everything.

[Sithara007]

Russia wants to seize Ukraine. Will not work. Even if the West refuses to help Ukraine, the Russian army simply did not have the strength for it. The entire might of the Russian army, the whole world saw in Syria. The carrier with the engine on the wood and falling aircraft.

Russian army is the second strongest army in the world, while their Ukrainian counterparts would struggle to get included in the top 100 list. If the Russians want, they can invade the whole of Ukraine in a day or two. Be happy that Putin is not in a mood for such an adventure.

[AT-N-T101]

Russia wants to seize Ukraine. Will not work. Even if the West refuses to help Ukraine, the Russian army simply did not have the strength for it. The entire might of the Russian army, the whole world saw in Syria. The carrier with the engine on the wood and falling aircraft.

Russian army is the second strongest army in the world, while their Ukrainian counterparts would struggle to get included in the top 100 list. If the Russians want, they can invade the whole of Ukraine in a day or two. Be happy that Putin is not in a mood for such an adventure.

He was in the mood, but he already missed the chance to do it. Without huge losses, Russia can not do on the territory of Ukraine. Therefore, there is no sense in starting something. Hybrid war has the best result.

[AiloveYouks21]

How many times they've already run this operation? I've lost count...

[Mario274]

The West will not be able to separate these two Slavic people. I see two variants of the outcome of this situation: Ukraine joins Russia or is being restored by the USSR.

[Marcus_2017]

Russia wants to seize Ukraine. Will not work. Even if the West refuses to help Ukraine, the Russian army simply did not have the strength for it. The entire might of the Russian army, the whole world saw in Syria. The carrier with the engine on the wood and falling aircraft.

Russian army is the second strongest army in the world, while their Ukrainian counterparts would struggle to get included in the top 100 list. If the Russians want, they can invade the whole of Ukraine in a day or two. Be happy that Putin is not in a mood for such an adventure.

You say that because I don't know the real situation in the Russian army. You just repeat the thesis that inspired you Putin TV. Poorly trained army armed with the old weapons does not scare anybody. Nothing you can't do against Ukraine.

[olyaru]

Russia wants to seize Ukraine. Will not work. Even if the West refuses to help Ukraine, the Russian army simply did not have the strength for it. The entire might of the Russian army, the whole world saw in Syria. The carrier with the engine on the wood and falling aircraft.

Russian army is the second strongest army in the world, while their Ukrainian counterparts would struggle to get included in the top 100 list. If the Russians want, they can invade the whole of Ukraine in a day or two. Be happy that Putin is not in a mood for such an adventure.

You say that because I don't know the real situation in the Russian army. You just repeat the thesis that inspired you Putin TV. Poorly trained army armed with the old weapons does not scare anybody. Nothing you can't do against Ukraine.

In fact, it's true because they are practically starting from scratch to set up a new army in Ukraine and train them according to all world standards. Training and armament are very important, but the most important is motivation.

[Lancusters]

Russia wants to seize Ukraine. Will not work. Even if the West refuses to help Ukraine, the Russian army simply did not have the strength for it. The entire might of the Russian army, the whole world saw in Syria. The carrier with the engine on the wood and falling aircraft.

Russian army is the second strongest army in the world, while their Ukrainian counterparts would struggle to get included in the top 100 list. If the Russians want, they can invade the whole of Ukraine in a day or two. Be happy that Putin is not in a mood for such an adventure.

You say that because I don't know the real situation in the Russian army. You just repeat the thesis that inspired you Putin TV. Poorly trained army armed with the old weapons does not scare anybody. Nothing you can't do against Ukraine.

In fact, it's true because they are practically starting from scratch to set up a new army in Ukraine and train them according to all world standards. Training and armament are very important, but the most important is motivation.

It is not only motivation. Ukraine is not small country and in Russian simply does not have the resources to control such a territory. Russia is a fake state. In addition to propaganda, Putin did not.

[Sithara007]

You say that because I don't know the real situation in the Russian army. You just repeat the thesis that inspired you Putin TV. Poorly trained army armed with the old weapons does not scare anybody. Nothing you can't do against Ukraine.

Perhaps you are still stuck in the 1990s. The army has been strengthened ever since Putin became the president. The results are out there for everyone to see. Look at the performance of the Russian army and air force in Syria. Is the Ukrainian army capable of doing anything like that?

[Seccerius]

You say that because I don't know the real situation in the Russian army. You just repeat the thesis that inspired you Putin TV. Poorly trained army armed with the old weapons does not scare anybody. Nothing you can't do against Ukraine.

Perhaps you are still stuck in the 1990s. The army has been strengthened ever since Putin became the president. The results are out there for everyone to see. Look at the performance of the Russian army and air force in Syria. Is the Ukrainian army capable of doing anything like that?

You can even look at the actions of the American army in Syria and this will not be done by the Ukrainian army either. But the fact is that the Ukrainian army does not need to prove or demonstrate anything. And everything is quite enough for action on its territory.

[VTCutch]

You say that because I don't know the real situation in the Russian army. You just repeat the thesis that inspired you Putin TV. Poorly trained army armed with the old weapons does not scare anybody. Nothing you can't do against Ukraine.

Perhaps you are still stuck in the 1990s. The army has been strengthened ever since Putin became the president. The results are out there for everyone to see. Look at the performance of the Russian army and air force in Syria. Is the Ukrainian army capable of doing anything like that?

You can even look at the actions of the American army in Syria and this will not be done by the Ukrainian army either. But the fact is that the Ukrainian army does not need to prove or demonstrate anything. And everything is quite enough for action on its territory.

The Ukrainian army is very weak. It generally does not exist. But to say that several regions will be transferred to Russia's possession is no longer relevant. The military conflict in Donetsk will no longer be spread. It's not profitable for anyone anymore.

[Lieldoryn]

You say that because I don't know the real situation in the Russian army. You just repeat the thesis that inspired you Putin TV. Poorly trained army armed with the old weapons does not scare anybody. Nothing you can't do against Ukraine.

Perhaps you are still stuck in the 1990s. The army has been strengthened ever since Putin became the president. The results are out there for everyone to see. Look at the performance of the Russian army and air force in Syria. Is the Ukrainian army capable of doing anything like that?

You can even look at the actions of the American army in Syria and this will not be done by the Ukrainian army either. But the fact is that the Ukrainian army does not need to prove or demonstrate anything. And everything is quite enough for action on its territory.

The Ukrainian army is very weak. It generally does not exist. But to say that several regions will be transferred to Russia's possession is no longer relevant. The military conflict in Donetsk will no longer be spread. It's not profitable for anyone anymore.

The conflict will not spread further, not because they don't want to, but because they are not strong enough to control this territory as Ukraine. During the second world war, Hitler came to Moscow, and then what happened we all know. I think Putin wants to get to Kiev and to share the fate of Hitler?

[RVvoenkor]

BATTLE FOR MARIUPOL - Documentary
https://www.bitchute.com/video/K7JpILyn0KTO/