Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[247crypto]

No evidence of Russian Army in Ukraine - US rapresentant in UN

http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1120827

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[247crypto]

k stati, a zachem u "mirnym" protestantam macki na lice?

Learn Maidan Law.

[247crypto]

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine

http://iacknowledge.net/nazis-come-to-power-in-europe-for-first-time-since-world-war-ii-where-is-the-outrage/

[bryant.coleman]

OK... Got news from RT that Kiev has just launched a full scale military assault on Eastern Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the first battalion of Ukraine’s National Guard have left Kiev for the south-east, said the head National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Andrey Parubiy. According to Parubiy, the “battalion is comprised of volunteers from the Maidan self-defense troops".

[247crypto]

Nikolaev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD4vyzBI4QQ

[bryant.coleman]

Another attack by the Right Sector:

Ukrainian presidential candidate Tsarev brutally beaten

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-presidential-candidates-attacked-516/

[Nemo1024]

OK... Got news from RT that Kiev has just launched a full scale military assault on Eastern Ukraine.

Meanwhile, the first battalion of Ukraine’s National Guard have left Kiev for the south-east, said the head National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine, Andrey Parubiy. According to Parubiy, the “battalion is comprised of volunteers from the Maidan self-defense troops".

I posted that closer to the top of this page already
Kiev launches military operation in eastern Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/kiev-military-operation-east-584/

Funnily, we selected the same quote from the article.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/us-backing-neo-nazis-ukraine

http://iacknowledge.net/nazis-come-to-power-in-europe-for-first-time-since-world-war-ii-where-is-the-outrage/

Why don't I feel even a slightest twinge of surprise?

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tJrYytZ6Zc

Road Kramatorsk - Slavyansk

[247crypto]

Another attack by the Right Sector:

Ukrainian presidential candidate Tsarev brutally beaten

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-presidential-candidates-attacked-516/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejh1-_8YIBY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti0K3AM1UvM

[bryant.coleman]

Just got this map from the Twitter:

[Nemo1024]

The way I see it, Russia is faced with lose-lose situation and all they are doing right now is nothing but damage control. Their bad future projections, lousy awareness of an ongoing deep changes within the Ukrainian society, catastrophic handling of Ukraine's failing economy and tendency to ignore system-wide corruption and unlawfulness hit them hard: majority of Ukrainians doesn't like Russians any more, to put it simple. Surely, annexation of Crimea and messing around with so called Donyetsk republic aren't helping either.

Even if Moscow manages to force Kiev to accept the federalization (which, in the long run, could easily turn into the separation of eastern regions), they are permanently losing the rest of the Ukraine. Which they've always rightfully considered friends, allies and brothers in arms, unfortunatelly it's all history now. If they wanted to keep Ukraine in their sphere of influence, Russians should have shown proactive approach and act much before Euromaidan happened. In fact, even before the Orange revolution.

It's difficult to say, if it's a lose-lose situation. We don't know all the cards. For example, Yanukovich, who is still the legitimate president of Ukraine, can officially ask Russia for help in the form of peace-keeping troops. Russia and Ukraine have agreements on that.

Politically, Crimea is a separate affair altogether, and should not be mixed in. Donetsk fights for federalisation of Ukraine, so that the region has a greater say in its own governing within the country. Federal construct works well for a country like Switzerland, which has 4 Cantons, who don't always see eye to eye and use different languages. Ukraine is not much different.

Saying that Ukrainians don't like Russians is much on the same note as saying that Germans don't like Bavarians. I know a family, who has grand-parents in Ural and Moscow, parents in Crimea and Kazahstan, with children living in Kiev. They consider themselves Russian, though they have blood of at least 4 different peoples in their family, Ukrainian included.

As for friends and allies, and it being a history. It only takes one external enemy for the feeling to return. I can illustrate on a smaller scale. Have you been to Odessa? There are the famous Odessa courtyard communities, with many families living in the apartments around a courtyard. they may squabble with each other, playing out small feuds, but if an outsider, say some official, turns up, they would side with each other in such a tightly-knit group that any army squad would think twice before confronting them.

[bryant.coleman]

The UK is ready to make economic "sacrifices" in its efforts to prevent Russia "destabilising" Ukraine, Foreign Secretary William Hague has said. He told the BBC further sanctions were being planned, but there was no "fixed red line" to decide how far Moscow needs to go before they are imposed.

Will be interesting to know what he really meant by sacrifice?

[Nemo1024]

The UK is ready to make economic "sacrifices" in its efforts to prevent Russia "destabilising" Ukraine, Foreign Secretary William Hague has said. He told the BBC further sanctions were being planned, but there was no "fixed red line" to decide how far Moscow needs to go before they are imposed.

Will be interesting to know what he really meant by sacrifice?

Another excuse for why taxpayers need to pay more. Any excuse will do. It's Russophobia this time around, as global warming has already been overused.

Just got this map from the Twitter:

24 wounded, 1 killed. Those are the numbers that really matter.

Another attack by the Right Sector:

Ukrainian presidential candidate Tsarev brutally beaten

http://rt.com/news/ukraine-presidential-candidates-attacked-516/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejh1-_8YIBY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti0K3AM1UvM

Your underwear is not safe from the hands of the Gayropean Nazis. Heh?  

[bryant.coleman]

Another excuse for why taxpayers need to pay more. Any excuse will do. It's Russophobia this time around, as global warming has already been overused.

Unlike the case in the US, the British general public is fiercely against any NATO intervention in Ukraine. I have seen some of the public opinion surveys conducted there in the recent weeks.

[Nemo1024]

I am keeping an eye on this ongoing voting from the regions:
http://modsite.by/allresult/#.U0mEKPl_vG9

Each time Kiev pushes for repressions, the more votes appear on the bullet for joining RF, with Lugansk (71%) and Donetsk (67%) in the lead, and with a pretty solid statistical base.

[Paya]

It's difficult to say, if it's a lose-lose situation. We don't know all the cards. For example, Yanukovich, who is still the legitimate president of Ukraine, can officially ask Russia for help in the form of peace-keeping troops. Russia and Ukraine have agreements on that.

Yes, Yanukovych is still legitimate president but he seems to be quite reluctant about making such call, most likely because he has serious doubts about the possible outcome. We shouldn't forget that while he blamed Euromaidan for the rebellion on the East, he also said that Ukraine must stay united and he didn't support annexation of Crimea.

What I find interesting is Belarussian stance. Lukashenko, undisputedly one of the closest Russian allies, condemned Russian plans for Ukraine's federalization:
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/727600

[bryant.coleman]

Belarus offers to become the mediator in the Kiev - Eastern Ukraine dispute. It seems that Obama is not impressed. He wants some NATO member to become the mediator, so that he can justify the Nazi takeover of Kiev.

[Sithara007]

Ukrainian army sent to Northern Donetsk.

[Nemo1024]

What I find interesting is Belarussian stance. Lukashenko, undisputedly one of the closest Russian allies, condemned Russian plans for Ukraine's federalization:
http://en.itar-tass.com/world/727600

What Bryant said, plus: Lukashenko likes to rule supreme, so federalisation would be against his modus operandi.

During the first rule of Putin there were talks/negotiations about Belarus joining Russia as a federative state. Interestingly they were initiated by Lukashenko. They didn't lead anywhere, as the conditions presented by Lukashenko were out of line with Russian Constitution.

In a way, I like Lukashenko. He is the kind of a textbook benevolent dictator. His country managed to avoid most of the turmoil that ripped apart an impoverished the remained of the USSR. I have friends in Lithuania, who regularly take trips to Belarus to buy industrial goods.

I think the best image impression of Lukashenko's rule was unwittingly given by Sir Terry Prattchett in his depiction of Lord Vetinari.

[minime]

i come to the conclusion that states/countrys are the problem...