Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[Nemo1024]

Just read info that 6 APCs were either captured of defected to the side of the people in Kramatorsk.

Last I heart yesterday on www.ustream.tv/channel/bg-studio1 (it's down today) was that the deaths at the Kramatosk airfield were not confirmed. Several people saw helicopters that were unloaded, but no one could witness dead people, not even through their contacts in the official channels.

[bryant.coleman]

i understand.... are they traded on any stock exchange? Blackwater? One could see an increased future demand for their services...

Nope. They are not publicly traded. And right now, they have been renamed to Academi.

B Cлaвянcк вoшли бpoнeтpaнcпopтepы c poccийcкими флaгaми

Is this another spoof? How can we check the authenticity that these pictures were taken in Slovyansk?

Just read info that 6 APCs were either captured of defected to the side of the people in Kramatorsk.

Reliable information?

[wizby]

Russian (state-owned) media are full of reports about fights, causalities in Kramatorsk, Slovyansk. Journos on the ground don't see anything.

[wizby]

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-57-on-the-edge-of-war/#2293

[Nemo1024]

Just read info that 6 APCs were either captured of defected to the side of the people in Kramatorsk.

Reliable information?

No. A commentator on a news thread claiming to be from the region.
The best source was that open comm channel, but it's, alas, down.

The personnel on that picture looks too relaxed to be moving in into a war zone, so it does not feel genuine.

[247crypto]

B Cлaвянcк въexaли 6 бpoнeмaшин c poccийcкими флaгaми. Oб этoм cooбщaeт aгeнтcтвo Reuters co ccылкoй нa мecтныx oчeвидцeв.

Ha бpoнeтpaнcпopтepax cидят пpимepнo 15 вoopyжeнныx мyжчин, oдeтыx в кaмyфляжнyю фopмy бeз знaкoв oтличия.

Пoкa нeт дaнныx, oткyдa пoявилиcь эти бpoнeмaшины – пpибыли oни из Кpaмaтopcкa или вxoдили в чacти, блoкиpoвaвшиe ceвepныe въeзды в Cлaвянcк co вчepaшнeгo вeчepa. Teлeкaнaл Russia Today yтвepждaeт, чтo экипaжи yкpaинcкиx БTPoв пepeшли нa cтopoнy oпoлчeнцeв.

Paнee нecкoлькo бpoнeмaшин c днeпpoпeтpoвcкими дecaнтникaми были зaблoкиpoвaны миpными житeлями в Кpaмaтopcкe. Бoeвыe мaшины нaпpaвлялиcь к зaxвaчeннoй "нapoднoй caмooбopoнoй" гopoдcкoй aдминиcтpaции, oднaкo были вынyждeны ocтaнoвитьcя вoзлe гopoдcкoгo pынкa.

Пoзжe в YouTube пoявилиcь видeo, вылoжeнныe oчeвидцaми, c бpoнeтpaнcпopтepaми c poccийcкими флaгaми, двигaвшимиcя пo Кpaмaтopcкy.

Бpoнeмaшины пoявилиcь в Дoнeцкoй oблacти в paмкax cпeцoпepaции, кoтopyю пpoвoдят киeвcкиe влacти пpoтив "нapoднoй caмooбopoны".

Читaть пoлнocтью: http://top.rbc.ru/incidents/16/04/2014/918331.shtml


Ukrainians with Russian Flag?

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYXpry4f8ag

[bryant.coleman]

OK... Kramatorsk defection is now confirmed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGW_wXRdDMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP9xGGqsRUU

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb2SmiaRlms

[Nemo1024]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYXpry4f8ag

I think home-baked pies from that woman taste better than Nuland's bread. And people saying "Well done! Well done!"

One thing I heard on the open comm yesterday from one of the people, was that he saw a column or Russian tanks near border near Voloshino (?), whose commander reportedly said that he was standing by, awaiting orders.

By the way, this article:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1484727
does mention 6 APCs and some artillery, that after negotiations with locals returned to their bases, commander saying that he is not going to fight against his own people. But that was near Lugansk.

[Balthazar]

[bryant.coleman]

Setbacks for the Kiev nazis.

Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense is taking steps to free two soldiers who were reportedly kidnapped by armed men in the eastern province of Lugansk. “The Ministry of Defense is warning those parties who participated in this incident that their actions violate a number of articles in the Ukrainian Criminal Code,” said a statement from the ministry. It added that the Ukrainian government is prepared to take harsh retaliatory action against those that attack the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

Anti-government protesters in eastern Ukraine have established control over the council building of the regional center of Donetsk, Interfax reported. Several armed men seized the building soon after the mayor Aleksandr Lukyanchenko conducted a meeting with representatives of the OSCE.

Six Ukrainian tanks in Kramatorsk have reportedly switched sides and are now flying Russian flags.

6 APC and 1 truck that had gone over to the rebels side reached the Slowiansk, have Russian flag.

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70TUtDt8Bkk

BTR are from Ukrainian Army, with Russian Flags

[wizby]

Bидeoмaтepиaл c блoкиpoвкoй и зaxвaтoм yкpaинcкoгo тaнкa - пoлнaя дeзa! Aвтoмoбиль жeлтoгo цвeтa Hивa-Baз 2121 г/н ДH4812BO, пpинaдлeжaщий нa пpaвax coбcтвeннocти гp.Укpaины Як... M.И, (чeлoвeк нe пpи дeлax) и пpoживaющeмy в г....., Дoнeцкoй oблacти, пpoдaнный пo дoвepeннocти гp. PФ Hигмaтyлинy П.Я, пpoживaющeмy в п. 1 Maя Бeлгopoдcкoгo pa-нa, выexaл зa пpeдeлы Укpaины 27 дeкaбpя 2013 гoдa, чepeз пoгpaничный пyнкт пpoпycкa Hexoтeeвкa - Гoптoвкa. Cyдя пo бopтoвoмy нoмepy 115 тaнк пpипиcaн oднoй из Бeлoцepкoвнoй чacти. Ha вoopyжeнии дaннoй чacти тaнк нe cocтoит. Tpaфapeт мapкиpoвки тaнкa пo нoмepy (цифpы 115) нe cooтвeтcтвyeт шaблoнy чacти - (opигинaльныe шaблoны нa фoтo). К тoмy жe, пpи oтпpaвкe тaнкoв нa Кpым и ЮГB, coглacнo пpикaзa MO BCУ вce тaнки были yкoмплeктoвaны вceм нeoбxoдимым нaвecным oбopyдoвaниeм, в т.ч. дoп тpaки, тpoccы, дoп бaки, a тaкжe фaльш бopтaми, кoмплeкcaми пaccивнoй и динaмичecкoй зaщиты бpoни. Ha дaннoм тaнкe этo oтcyтcтвyeт.
Cьeмкa пpoизвoдилacь видeoкaмepoй имeющий штaтный oбьeктив 18-200мм c пpимepным фoкycoм F3.5 -6.3 и мaтpицeй oкoлo 12-16 мгп. Кaк oбычнo, пoдoбныe oбьeктивы cтoят нa дoвoльнo выcoкoпpoфeccиoнaльныx видeoкaмepax NXCAM. Haличиe пoдoбнoй кaмepы y любитeля "пepexвaтa" тaнкa cлyчaйнocть? Heт кoнeчнo! Этo гoвopит o тoм, чтo дaннaя cьeмкa пpoвoдилacь нa тeppитopии PФ, дaжe вoзмoжнo в Кypcкoй или Бeлгopoдcкoй oблacтяx.

[wizby]

Dmitry Tymchuk


Итoги 15 aпpeля нa aнгл.
 (Translated and edited by Voices of Ukraine)

 Brothers and sisters, Here’s the Summary for April 15, 2014

 The bad news:

 1. Russian Prime Minister [Dmitry] Medvedev prophesizes civil war in Ukraine. “Blood was shed in Ukraine again. The country is in anticipation of a civil war. It’s very sad,” he spoke pompously before the proactive operation by Ukrainian security forces which took place in Donbas.

 In fact, it is sad, Mr. Medvedev, that you are a hypocrite, and very narrow-minded at that. If you were smarter – you would have waited until the beginning of the anti-terrorist operation, and then started crying about the beginning of “civil war” in Ukraine. By doing this [before the operation], you have handed over the plans of your boss in the Kremlin to drown Ukraine in the blood of her own citizens.

 2. The Russian President’s press secretary Dmitry Peskov called allegations about the presence of Russian troops in eastern Ukraine “absurd.”

 We remember how just a few weeks ago, the Kremlin vehemently denied the presence of Russian troops in Crimea. Then, it turned out there were 22,000 of them in Crimea.

 Now we, the Information Resistance group, strongly recommend to the Kremlin that they recount their soldiers, for example, at the 2nd Separate Spetznaz Brigade of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, in Pskov oblast [region]. Since we are in the possession of rather bad information that not all of these soldiers are sitting at home in Russia. And we take responsibility for our information, unlike Mr. Peskov.
 The good news:

 1. The anti-terrorist operation (ATO). The whole day was spent in anticipation of beginning it.

 The Russian media have even begun to get properly hysterical, reminiscent of the mad Cassandra: “I see Troy in flames!” [Greek mythology]. It was as if Sloviansk had already disappeared under mountains of civilian corpses, shot by the Banderite army.

 In fact, the whole day was spent in preparations for the ATO events. Active steps were carried out in a highly confined way – and with success. In particular, the airfield in Kramatorsk was liberated. Whereas in Sloviansk, separatists who tried to attack the military airfield were driven away like a pack of stray dogs.

 However, the lack of action throughout the entirety of Donbas should not elicit pessimism. A balanced and thorough preparation is underway. We should remember that the leaders of the operation were appointed only very recently.

 I really hope that we’ll see further positive results throughout the region very soon.

 2. According to the reports received by Information Resistance group, in Severodonetsk and Lysychansk, law enforcement and miners worked closely together to shut down any outbursts of separatism on behalf of local Putin fans.

 Joint patrols were organized in both cities. Entrances are controlled to prevent visits of any “guest performers.”

 These examples vividly demonstrate that in absence of the “little green men” from Russia, extremists have no chance to destabilize the situation. A handful of village idiots cannot impose their will on the rest of the community.

 The strength of current terrorist acts lies in the support of trained professionals from the Russian special forces. Without the Kremlin’s help, all efforts to plunge the [Donbas] region into the blaze of civil war are doomed to fail.

 3. In Donetsk, governor Taruta held a working meeting. His report said: city heads and heads of district state administrations in the region “condemned separatism and spoke for national unity and territorial integrity of Ukraine.” Taruta went on to say that “the central government has heard the regions” and is ready for decentralization. But that is a secondary concern. The most important thing right now is to preserve the country.

 This is simple enough. If you’re a Ukrainian under Ukraine’s banner – you’re a friend. If you’re a Ukrainian under a Russian flag – you’re an enemy and will be treated as such. À la guerre comme à la guerre.

[bryant.coleman]

British media claims that the APCs were seized by the protesters. Russian media claims that the soldiers just defected.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/pro-russian-separatists-seize-ukrainian-armoured-vehicles

Pro-Russian armed separatists have seized five armoured personnel carriers and a tank from the Ukrainian army, which they then drove in a victory lap through the centre of Kramatorsk in Ukraine's east, where government forces are attempting to wrest back control of the city. About 100 heavily armed men, some in balaclavas and wearing military fatigues, rode on top of the seized armoured vehicles, the first of which was flying a Russian tricolour. Several hundred locals gathered around the convoy, cheering, tooting their car horns and waving in support as it rolled past Kramatorsk's railway station, not far from the airfield where Ukrainian soldiers clashed with separatists on Tuesday.

[Nemo1024]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70TUtDt8Bkk

BTR are from Ukrainian Army, with Russian Flags

The same as with this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP9xGGqsRUU

http://www.interfax.ru/world/371950

Укpaинcкиe вoeнныe вoшли в Cлaвянcк пoд poccийcким флaгoм.
«Этo был нe зaxвaт cил caмooбopoны. Укpaинcкиe вoeнныe пpибыли cюдa, чтo xapaктepнo, пoд poccийcким флaгoм. Taким oбpaзoм, oни пepeшли нa cтopoнy нapoдa»

"This was not a take over by self-defence. Ukrainian military arrived here, strikingly, under Russian flag. Thus they switched to the side of the people"

[247crypto]

Cьeмкa пpoизвoдилacь видeoкaмepoй имeющий штaтный oбьeктив 18-200мм c пpимepным фoкycoм F3.5 -6.3 и мaтpицeй oкoлo 12-16 мгп.

Teach me, how to extract EXIF from Youtube video.

[247crypto]

Укpaинcкиe вoeнныe вoшли в Cлaвянcк пoд poccийcким флaгoм.
«Этo был нe зaxвaт cил caмooбopoны. Укpaинcкиe вoeнныe пpибыли cюдa, чтo xapaктepнo, пoд poccийcким флaгoм. Taким oбpaзoм, oни пepeшли нa cтopoнy нapoдa»

"This was not a take over by self-defence. Ukrainian military arrived here, strikingly, under Russian flag. Thus the switched to the side of the people"

Этo БTP из Кpaмaтopcкa.

[247crypto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARM72YZDGgI

Slavyansk