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Victoria Nuland's public statement of 5 billion usd investment into Ukraine is prove of CIA involvement.

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Slaviansk: Gunfights, Disappeared Journalist -- and the Mayor is Missing

By Irena Chalupa and James Rupert


A pro-Russian armed man escorts Ukrainian journalist Irma Krat after news conference in Slaviansk, April 21, 2014. (REUTERS/Gleb Garanich)

Slaviansk, a district center of about 120,000 people in northwestern Donetsk province, is increasingly the simmering epicenter of Ukraine’s crisis – and not only because of the gunbattle yesterday that has re-escalated tensions in the east. The masked soldiers and militiamen who control access to the city behind roadblocks of stacked tires have detained the mayor and at least one of two Ukrainian journalists who disappeared there in the past week.

The declared leader of Slaviansk's unknown ruling junta, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, appealed to Russian President Vladimir Putin, saying  that “fascists are trying to conquer us” and urging Putin to send “a peacekeeping force to protect the civilian population.”
Slaviansk also has been one of the toughest places to access for the civilian observers of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE). An OSCE team will try to enter the city again today after turning back yesterday because of security concerns, Reuters reported. "It's a mixed experience dealing with checkpoints and so forth,” Michael Bociurkiw told the agency. “There is a hardened attitude in Donetsk or Slaviansk, but some other areas are more accommodating," he said.

The gunmen of Slaviansk today brought out reporter Irma Krat, 29, in a blindfold to show her briefly to other journalists. And the gunmen's leader, Ponomaryov, has confirmed that his forces are holding Mayor Nelly Shtepa – for her own protection, he said -- following an unspecified medical procedure. Shtepa went missing after she accused Ponomaryov’s pro-Russian force of looting and robbery, and rebutted his claim that the armed men are all local residents (and thus not Russian troops).

The young men who now guard the roadblocks and meticulously search the cars of anyone seeking to enter the city seem undecided about the future they’re fighting for, writes Stanislav Kmet, a journalist for Ostro, an independent news website in eastern Ukraine. Kmet spent a day walking around the city, photographing the barricades and speaking to masked men. They are not sure whether their region should join Russia or simply fight for independence as the “Donetsk People’s Republic,” Kmet reports. But they want out of Ukraine – and somehow at the same time they hate being called “separatisti.” Indeed, that label – “separatists” – draws from them a quite aggressive reaction, Kmet says.

Beyond the checkpoints, the city seems to have hunkered down, its normally busy streets deserted these days. Neighbors gather to talk quietly here and there, but it is unclear that many people are going to work these days, Kmet writes.

Mayor and Journalists: Detained and Disappeared
Slaviansk’s gunmen produced one of two Ukrainian journalists who disappeared in the city in recent days, leading Irma Krat out of the state security building in a blindfold to speak to other reporters. A local militiaman said they were investigating Krat over suspicions that she was involved in “the mistreatment of riot policemen and a Russian journalist” who were detained last winter amid the pro-democracy demonstrations at Kyiv’s Maidan, Reuters says. Krat told reporters the gunmen were questioning her about her presence in Slaviansk.

Krat told the reporters that the gunmen have not mistreated her. She said she has seen no evidence in detention of Kyiv-based journalist Serhiy Lefter, a former reporter with Ukraine’s state television who had been writing for Ukrainian websites and for a Warsaw-based pro-democracy group, the Open Dialog Foundation. Lefter disappeared April 16, two days after reaching Slaviansk, the foundation says. Slaviansk's gunmen have not commented on his disappearance.

Also still missing is Slaviansk Mayor Nelly Shtepa, who initially voiced sympathy for the gunmen in a TV interview after they took control of the city nine days ago. They were local boys whose demands for greater power for Ukraine’s provinces were legitimate, said Shtepa, a member of the dominant political party of eastern Ukraine, the Party of Regions once led by former President Viktor Yanukovych.

But several days later, Shtepa changed her mind, telling Russia’s independent internet television channel, Dozhd, that she did not know who the gunmen are, that they are not local, and that they had committed looting and robbery. According to the website Slavgorod, Shtepa was last seen sitting in the seized city hall waiting to speak with Ponomaryov, who has displaced her as the city's visible authority. On Friday, Ponomaryov said Shtepa is in his forces’ custody. “She has had a small crisis, she had an operation. She’s in normal condition now and has resigned her position,” said Ponomaryov.


Mysterious Shootout
The 3 a.m. shootout outside Slaviansk killed between one and five people, according to conflicting reports by Ukrainian authorities and Russian news media. Russia has blamed Ukrainian militants, while Ukraine’s national security service, the SBU, said the attack was staged by foreign (meaning Russian) provocateurs.

Ponomaryov blamed the attack on the Right Sektor, a nationalist group that battled Yanukovych’s police during the Maidan demonstrations. As proof they offer a business card imprinted with the name of Dmitro Yarosh, the Right Sektor’s overall leader. Ukrainian social media are buzzing with debate over the reported gunfight and the business card, which was displayed in pristine condition after gunmen said they found it in the debris of one of the burned-out vehicles destroyed in the battle.

http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/slaviansk-gunfights-disappeared-journalist-and-the-mayor-is-missing

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April 22, 2014, 03:58:14 AM
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Victoria Nuland's public statement of 5 billion usd investment into Ukraine is prove of CIA involvement.

Out of that hardly 1% reached the protesters, for the purchase of rifles and petrol bombs. The remaining went to bribing the oligarchs, such as Tymoshenko, Akhmetov and Ihor Kolomoyskyi.
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April 22, 2014, 08:20:02 AM
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Victoria Nuland's public statement of 5 billion usd investment into Ukraine is prove of CIA involvement.

Out of that hardly 1% reached the protesters, for the purchase of rifles and petrol bombs. The remaining went to bribing the oligarchs, such as Tymoshenko, Akhmetov and Ihor Kolomoyskyi.

Just like the 34mld $ that Russia "helped" Ukraine with the gas prices. Only that the pro-Russian red commies received the rifles and equipment as a bonus.


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Propaganda, Disinformation, and Dirty Tricks: The Resurgence of Russian Political Warfare

 The Russian invasion and annexation of Crimea, a part of Ukraine, has renewed the interest in Russia’s extensive political warfare activities. In Crimea, Eastern Ukraine, and other states of the former Soviet Union, Russian influence operations have been aggressively increased and targeted at Russian-speaking populations, who often have little other access to news and information and, therefore, are easy targets for Russian propaganda. Russian efforts hark back to the ideological battles and active measures of the Cold War and are aimed at audiences and policymakers here in the United States as well. For home audiences, Russian propaganda persistently shows strong strains of anti-Americanism. Join us as our panel of experts analyzes this threat and how the United States can best counter it.

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The new rule for obtaining Russian citizenship might be good for people in South-Eastern Ukraine and Baltics (especially for the Latvian "niggers" - people borne and living in Latvia, but being denied Latvian citizenship and human rights).

http://rt.com/politics/russian-citizenship-ancestors-language-764/

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Russian and pro-Russian right-wing terrorists spreading fear and hate in Ukraine

Yesterday, I commented on the recent scandal involving the distribution of anti-Semitic flyers in Donetsk. As it often happens with comments to the media, not everything that I said to The Verge's journalist appeared in the final piece - which is fair enough by me - but I would like to briefly discuss one point which I found important but which was missed out in the above-mentioned article.

Amar Toor asked me whether I was surprised at the news about the anti-Semitic flyers in Donetsk. I replied that - although the authenticity of the flyers cannot be either proven or dismissed - I was not surprised, because anti-Semitic and racist incidents involving the (pro-)Russian insurgents and terrorists in South-Eastern Ukraine had happened before.

For example, here's a hand-made poster which appeared in Luhansk during the unrest:


Excerpt: "Jew Shuster [Savik Shuster, Kyiv-based TV presenter] will explain why Ukrainians must defend the interests of Jew [Prime Minister Arseniy] Yatsenyuk and Jewish oligarchs. Why Slavs must kill each other."

And demotivators such as this were widely distributed by South-East Ukrainian pro-Russian activists in the Internet:

"Ukrainian nationalists"

It was also revealed in January 2013, that the fan page of the Berkut special forces (the main security pillar of Viktor Yanukovych's authoritarian regime) on Facebook was full of homophobic, racist and anti-Semitic content. (Much of this content is still available; it is worth checking to see the seemingly non-conflicting mixture of racist, anti-Semitic, Nazi, Russian, Soviet and Stalinist propaganda.)


There is also a great degree of acceptance of anti-Semitism in Russia itself. For example, one Russian state TV host suggested - during an interview with fascist Aleksandr Prokhanov - that Jews had brought on Holocaust on themselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=EXHCdVpyx7Q

It is obviously not my intention to associate all the (pro-)Russian insurgents in South-Eastern Ukraine with anti-Semites, racists and fascism. However, while I cannot identify the size of the extreme right element of the pro-Russian movement in Ukraine, it does exist and does function as a point of convergence between some pro-Russian activists in South-Eastern Ukraine and the extreme right government in Moscow, as well as Russian fascist organisations.

The flags of the "Donetsk Republic" co-exist with the racist banner carrying an Italian Fascist motto "Many enemies, much honour" (Molti nemici, molto onore). February 2014.




Activists of the "Donetsk Republic" right-wing extremist group.


The "Donetsk Republican" flags are side by side with the black-and-yellow flags of the Eurasianist movement headed by Russian fascist Aleksandr Dugin. April 2014.

And this video (see below) was shot recently in Donetsk. It features a young man claiming to have established contacts with the fascist Russian National Unity organization and concluding his speech with the slogan "Glory to Russia" and a Nazi salute: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yD8goJMLUhs

It is important to note that even this video shows that while many people cheer the Russian Nazi salute, there are also voices of dissent. But this video also reveals the involvement of the Russian extreme right in the current developments in South-Eastern Ukraine, and this involvement is not limited to fascist Aleksandr Dugin who personally instructed pro-Russian terrorists. Here are some pictures taken in the Donetsk region prior to the Euromaidan protests, which - in addition to other evidence - prove that Russian fascist organisations have been heavily infiltrating and instigating pro-Russian separatist movements in South-Eastern Ukraine for quite some time already.


The flag below belongs to the Russian right-wing extremist organisation "Russian Image" the members of which killed, in 2009, Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova. Photo taken in Donetsk in February 2012


Here and below: Russian black-yellow-and-white "imperial" flags, Eurasianist black flags with a yellow "Star of chaos", "Donetsk Republican" flags, Russian flags. Photos taken in early November 2013





Just a few days ago, Aleksandr Ivanov-Sukharevsky, leader of the Russian neo-Nazi Peoples National Party, addressed the (pro-)Russian right-wing terrorists in South-Eastern Ukraine giving them their full support: http://vimeo.com/92128059

Should we be surprised that anti-Semitic, anti-Roma and other racist incidents can take place in South-Eastern Ukraine where (pro-)Russian right-wing extremists are engaged in subversive activities against the democratic Ukrainian state? Should we be surprised that there are fears that the Russian occupation forces are presumably thinking of deporting the Crimean Tatars from the Crimea? Russian officials are already modifying their narrative speaking of the "Tatars of the Crimea" rather than the "Crimean Tatars", thus rhetorically stripping them of the status of the native people of the Crimea. Russian right-wing extremists based in this region are fully supporting the idea of deportation:

The anti-Crimean Tatar poster distributed in the social media websites of Russian fascists: "Deportation is not a crime. Republic 88 on the disadvantage of the Crimean Tatar presence on the peninsula".

The anti-Semitic flyers in Donetsk may or may not be a hoax, but - honestly - should we be surprised by all these racist incidents in the Ukrainian territories either occupied by the Russians or destabilised by the (pro-)Russian insurgents and terrorists? No, we should not.

http://anton-shekhovtsov.blogspot.com/2014/04/russian-and-pro-russian-right-wing.html




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Right. Retracting my truce on Klichko. I wonder who does thinking for him, but apparently, he is not involved in the process.

During his meeting with US Vice President Joseph Baiden, he appealed to the US to introduce new and new and more stringent sanctions against Russia from US and EU side. Of course, after all US decides for EU which sanctions it should impose, while this appeal is completely in line with US' own twitchings.

He also supported the anti-terrorist actions of Ukraine in its Eastern region and that USA' military-personnel and military-hardware aid to Ukraine is invaluable.

http://ria.ru/world/20140422/1004946091.html

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The new rule for obtaining Russian citizenship might be good for people in South-Eastern Ukraine and Baltics (especially for the Latvian "niggers" - people borne and living in Latvia, but being denied Latvian citizenship and human rights).

This will be misused by the 80 million unwashed Muslims of Central Asia and Azerbaijan. Just wait and see. The migration from countries such as Uzbekistan and Tajikistan are going to rise steeply.
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The flag below belongs to the Russian right-wing extremist organisation "Russian Image" the members of which killed, in 2009, Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova. Photo taken in Donetsk in February 2012

If I am not mistaken, flag below with the inscription "Oбpaз" (literally "Cheek", which also means "Honor" in some Slavic languages) belongs to Serbian far right wing group which is banned in Serbia. This may be their Russian branch, though:

http://www.obraz.rs/
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Should we be surprised that anti-Semitic, anti-Roma and other racist incidents can take place in South-Eastern Ukraine where (pro-)Russian right-wing extremists are engaged in subversive activities against the democratic Ukrainian state? Should we be surprised that there are fears that the Russian occupation forces are presumably thinking of deporting the Crimean Tatars from the Crimea? Russian officials are already modifying their narrative speaking of the "Tatars of the Crimea" rather than the "Crimean Tatars", thus rhetorically stripping them of the status of the native people of the Crimea. Russian right-wing extremists based in this region are fully supporting the idea of deportation:



Lols , ROMA people.
There is no such thing . It's an invented term from the last century and used only in the last few decades. Not even the population that some address like that have a clue about it.

Everyone should call them with their real name or just use


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April 22, 2014, 12:08:44 PM
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If I am not mistaken, flag below with the inscription "Oбpaз" (literally "Cheek", which also means "Honor" in some Slavic languages) belongs to Serbian far right wing group which is banned in Serbia. This may be their Russian branch, though.

I think that they are Serbs. A small number of Serbs were present in Crimea last month, to support the pro-Russian protesters. They might have just crossed over to Donetsk. But the number is very small, at the most a dozen.
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speaking of the "Tatars of the Crimea" rather than the "Crimean Tatars", thus rhetorically stripping them of the status of the native people of the Crimea.
I have two other "lols".

First, both "Tatars of the Crimea" and "Crimean Tatars" are synonyms: "Кpымcкиe тaтapы".
Second. Native people? If we are to talk about the native population of Crimea, we should talk about Scythians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythians), as well as Tauris, Sarmatians, Alans, Bulgars, Greeks, Goths, Khazars, Pechenegs, Cumans, Italians, Circassians, Littleasian Turks.
Tatars in Crimea hail back to XI-XII century

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