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Author Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.  (Read 734886 times)
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April 25, 2014, 04:52:16 PM
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This is just hilarious! Yatsenuk's address, contrasted by reality.
Showing how to distinguish violent vs peaceful demonstrations (hint, peaceful demonstrations have a lot of fire in them).
Ukrainian media reporting that they captured one Moscow-sent militant, who was responsible for bomb explosions during demonstrations in Lugansk and Donetsk - excuse me, there were no bombs there.
A bit about Avakov, who was on Interpol wanted list, and sat in Italian jail two years before.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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April 25, 2014, 05:51:15 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hCmvqLaT2k

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April 25, 2014, 07:14:44 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gkpmw7uqoc

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April 25, 2014, 07:19:41 PM
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Putin on the speculation that "Russia is planning to attack Ukraine"
This one's dubbed to English.

Hmm.. interesting. He mentions the same thing that I noticed myself and noted here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=584031.0
Divide Ukraine and Russia and conquer them, as a Western strategy.

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April 25, 2014, 09:09:20 PM
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Smiley  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_3_mm-J5pA

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April 25, 2014, 09:17:12 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xQQu26xR5Q

M/S Meeting of CIS countries is Moscow
C/U Emblem of Commonwealth of Independent States countries (CIS)
SOT, Sergey Lavrov, Foreign Minister of Russia (in Russian): "Once again the US is exhibiting its ability to attribute all the blame to someone else while deploying all their might to pervert everything that's going on in Ukraine. They accuse us of turning on what John Kerry called in his prosecutor's voice, 'Putin's propaganda machine called Russia Today' - and that is totally unacceptable. Such remarks about the media are uncivilized. But I can understand why he said it now that CNN and the BBC and other Western media outlets now have a serious competitor in Russia Today something they did not think would ever emerge. Russia Today has won a vast audience in the United States, the UK, and in Western Europe, and that's without mentioning Latin America, the Arab world and other regions. We will be actively supporting this alternative point of view to western propaganda as the demand becomes greater in the rest of the world, including in western society."
M/S media at forum of Commonwealth of Independent States countries (CIS)
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Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said US Secretary of State John Kerry's barbed rebuke of the RT network was an unacceptable branding of a serious competitor to Western media outlets in Moscow, Friday.

His statements came on the sidelines of a meeting of young diplomats from the Commonwealth of Independent States countries (CIS) in the Russian capital.

US Secretary of State John Kerry criticized RT for its coverage of the ongoing crisis in Ukraine on Thursday, calling it a "Putin propaganda bullhorn."

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April 25, 2014, 09:41:25 PM
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Perhaps its a theater?  Smiley
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April 26, 2014, 02:47:07 AM
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From Slavyansk!

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April 26, 2014, 07:20:53 AM
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April 26, 2014, 08:46:12 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g2WbjhLmUo

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April 26, 2014, 08:59:10 AM
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http://rt.com/op-edge/155024-state-department-propaganda-agency/

http://rt.com/news/154832-russian-agents-ukraine-lavrov/

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April 26, 2014, 09:01:49 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxdIWaA8Uno

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April 26, 2014, 09:26:03 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkXk2ci-ck

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April 26, 2014, 09:41:21 AM
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This:
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RT: Are Kerry's statements going to hurt RT's image?

DS: I don’t think it will hurt RT's image. It will actually call RT to the attention of millions of people who never heard of RT before. ‘Now there, what is he talking about?’

If Americans have even a small fraction of Russian mentality in them, Kerry's statement will have the opposite effect, drawing a couple new million readers to RT. Cheesy

In Russia, the most stupid thing someone can do is to run a smear campaign against an opponent. That will just add positive score to the opponent on a wave of sympathy, while detracting from the one ordering such a campaign. This is one of the reasons Putin is balancing on a sword's edge when dealing with opposition - he can't push them too hard, yet he can't let them run completely amok.

The only Western country that I know of with a similar mentality is probably Italy.


He-he:
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"Kerry has many times mentioned that Ukrainian intelligence captured Russian agents,” Lavrov said. “So, show them to the people, have them on TV. Kerry says they don’t want to disclose the identities of those people who are engaged in the captures. This is not serious.”

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“Representatives of the US State Department, Victoria Nuland in particular, claim that in Geneva we agreed upon ‘separatists’ leaving the occupied buildings,” Lavrov said. “This is a lie, this could not have been written, because we were promoting the approach that ensures the simultaneity of processes and equal responsibilities of the sides when it comes to vacating illegally occupied buildings and disarming illegal groups.”

And this quite frank quote:
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“If you think that when John Kerry, William Hague or Laurent Fabius call me, they speak differently in those personal contacts and say something you don’t know from their public speeches, you are mistaken,” Lavrov said, adding that he was still making attempts to have a real constructive dialogue with the officials he mentioned.

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April 26, 2014, 10:13:31 AM
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Putin stops talks with White House:

Since the invasion of Crimea, President Vladimir Putin and President Barack Obama have had regular phone calls in an often half-hearted attempt to deescalate the ongoing crisis inside Ukraine. But as the U.S. and EU prepare to unveil new sanctions against Russia, Putin has decided the interactions should stop. The Kremlin has ended high-level contact with the Obama administration, according to diplomatic officials and sources close to the Russian leadership. The move signals an end to the diplomacy, for now.

“Putin will not talk to Obama under pressure,” said Igor Yurgens, Chairman of the Institute for Contemporary Development, a prominent Moscow think tank, and a close associate of Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev. “It does not mean forever.”
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April 26, 2014, 12:00:28 PM
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Heard that the body of Horlivka city councilman Volodymyr Rybak has been found near Sloviansk, along with the dead body of a 19-year old student called Yuri Popravko. Any truth in this?
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April 26, 2014, 02:32:14 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzZ4XNEuKRg

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April 26, 2014, 02:35:55 PM
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Haven't seen anything to that end on the Russian news channels.

In other news:
Vatican presented Yatsenjuk with a pen to sign peace agreement (didn't know Ukraine was at war):
http://www.bfm.ru/news/255803

New sanctions are aimed to hit Russia's banking and energy sectors:
http://ria.ru/economy/20140426/1005553932.html

Ukrainian presidential candidate Carev disclosed the price list that the Kiev uses for the services of the radicals to "take care" of those who do not agree with Kiev:
http://ria.ru/world/20140426/1005566592.html

US (Ukraine) accuses Russia of breeching Ukrainin airspace a few times (7, according to Yatsenjuk). Russia denies it.
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/04/26/n_6111805.shtml
http://rt.com/news/155084-russia-planes-ukraine-airspace/

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“The unfounded claims of Pentagon officials on the alleged ‘breaching of airspace of Ukraine by Russian fighter jets’ appears to have been based on rumors and speculation,” a Russian Defense Ministry spokesman told Itar-Tass on Saturday.

“Those media allegations are populist in nature, they contain no information on the time and place of the incident, as well as no data on altitude, speed and the direction of aircraft, as well as no other objective parameters,” the spokesman said.

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“Four [Russian] transport airplanes Il-76 were flying along our state border but they did not cross the borderline,” Koval was quoted as saying by Interfax-Ukraine.

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April 26, 2014, 02:36:20 PM
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Heard that the body of Horlivka city councilman Volodymyr Rybak has been found near Sloviansk, along with the dead body of a 19-year old student called Yuri Popravko. Any truth in this?

Wife has recognised him.
Test to find files from Irma Krat camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HiSYnVELA0

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April 26, 2014, 02:51:04 PM
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Now it is the turn of the Latvians to get paranoid.  Grin

Latvia defense minister accuses Russia of destabilizing through “professional provocateurs”

http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/26/latvia-defense-minister-accuses-russia-of-destabilizing-through-professional-provocateurs

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Latvia’s defence minister said on Friday Russia was trying to stir unrest in the Baltic state by using “specially-trained, professional provocateurs” in the wake of its intervention in Ukraine. … “There are risks that Russia might try to destabilise the situation in the region,” Raimonds Vejonis, Latvia’s defence minister, told Reuters in an interview.
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