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May 07, 2014, 07:45:37 PM
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Worse Than a War: "Disappearances" in Chechnya- a Crime Against Humanity (NGO)
Date: March 2005
Author: Human Rights Watch
Organization: Human Rights Watch (HRW)
Theme: Human Rights - General
Country: Chechnya

Enforced disappearances in Chechnya are so widespread and systematic that they constitute crimes against humanity. Human Rights Watch urges the United Nations Commission on Human Rights to take urgent measures commensurate with the extreme gravity of the phenomenon. It should adopt a resolution condemning enforced disappearances in Chechnya, urging the Russian government to immediately adopt measures to stop the practice and requiring the government to issue an urgent invitation to the Working Group on Enforced and Involuntary Disappearances.

The conflict in Chechnya, now in its sixth year, is a dire human rights crisis. The Russian government has gone to great lengths to persuade the international community that the situation is steadily “normalizing,” even as in the past year the conflict has shown no sign of abating. Rather, it has increasingly spread to other areas of the Northern Caucasus. Russia contends that its operations in Chechnya are its contribution to the global campaign against terrorism. But the human rights violations Russian forces have committed there, reinforced by the climate of impunity the government has created, have not only brought untold suffering to hundreds of thousands of civilians but also undermined the goal of fighting terrorism. Chechen fighters have committed unspeakable acts of terrorism in Chechnya and other parts of Russia. Russia’s federal forces, together with pro-Moscow Chechen forces, have also committed numerous crimes against civilians, including extrajudicial executions, torture, arbitrary detention and looting. But it is their involvement in enforced disappearances that is an enduring feature of the six-year conflict. With between 3,000 and 5,000 “disappeared” since 1999, Russia has the inglorious distinction of being a world leader in enforced disappearances.

This briefing paper argues that the pattern of enforced disappearances in Chechnya has reached the level of a crime against humanity. It shows that, as part of Russia’s policy of “Chechenization” of the conflict, pro-Moscow Chechen forces have begun to play an increasingly active role in the conflict, gradually replacing federal troops as the main perpetrators of “disappearances” and other human rights violations. It reflects forty-three cases of enforced disappearances that occurred in 2004, which Human Rights Watch documented during a two-week research trip to Chechnya in January-February 2005.Human Rights Watch has submitted thirty-six of these cases to the Russian government, requesting that it disclose information on the whereabouts or fate of the “disappeared” individuals and hold the perpetrators responsible. We have also submitted the cases to the U.N. Working Group on Enforced and Involuntary Disappearances, asking that they raise these cases with the Russian government. These cases are appended to this briefing paper.

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May 07, 2014, 07:49:18 PM
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Also interesting that ""Putin's Kremlin has made a fetish of remembering WWII. Funny how they never mention Moscow's partnering-with-Hitler role in starting it. The Soviet Union was not a victim of WWII. They were 1 of the 2 countries that started it. Their thug-partner inconveniently turned on them" - John Schindler."

http://s13.postimg.org/ujdu7cc6v/1901970_419202258226571_1983120674_n.jpg

How thats fun. Some movie picture and stupid demotivator to prove that USSR started WW2

How about Poland having ALLIANCE with nazi Germany since 1934?

How about France and Britain who had pacts with nazi Germany since 1938 and gave Hitler Chechoslovakia in Munich to get it? (Poland btw plundered over Czech together with nazis)

How about USSR been LAST country to make non-aggression pact with nazi Germany?

How about USSR fighting nazis since 1936 war in Spain and japaneese since 1938 in Mongolia?

You know mister but that old anti-Russian propaganda does not work in era of internet

I know that you are rusophobe without any hope of redemption but everyone who read us can read and see all those myths debunked right here, at this collection of links
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May 07, 2014, 07:49:23 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA8GT7n9M-c

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May 07, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
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Also interesting that ""Putin's Kremlin has made a fetish of remembering WWII. Funny how they never mention Moscow's partnering-with-Hitler role in starting it. The Soviet Union was not a victim of WWII. They were 1 of the 2 countries that started it. Their thug-partner inconveniently turned on them" - John Schindler."



How thats fun. Some movie picture and stupid demotivator to prove that USSR started WW2

How about Poland having ALLIANCE with nazi Germany since 1934?

How about France and Britain who had pacts with nazi Germany since 1938 and gave Hitler Chechoslovakia in Munich to get it? (Poland btw plundered over Czech together with nazis)

How about USSR been LAST country to make non-aggression pact with nazi Germany?

How about USSR fighting nazis since 1936 war in Spain and japaneese since 1938 in Mongolia?

You know mister but that old anti-Russian propaganda does not work in era of internet

I know that you are rusophobe without any hope of redemption but everyone who read us can read and see all those myths debunked right here, at this collection of links
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7059931/Mission_to_Moscow

Whataboutism is a term for the Tu quoque logical fallacy popularized by The Economist for describing the use of the fallacy by the Soviet Union in its dealings with the Western world during the Cold War. The tactic was used when criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union, wherein the response would be "What about..." followed by the naming of an event in the Western world loosely similar to the original item of criticism.[1][2] It represents a case of tu quoque or the appeal to hypocrisy, a logical fallacy which attempts to discredit the opponent's position by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with that position, without directly refuting or disproving the opponent's initial argument.
Overview

In 1986, when the Soviet Union belatedly announced a serious nuclear accident in Chernobyl, Ukraine after Western nations reported detecting unusually high radioactivity levels, it did so in one paragraph. The New York Times stated that[3]

    The terse Soviet announcement of the Chernobyl accident was followed by a Tass dispatch noting that there had been many mishaps in the United States, ranging from Three Mile Island outside Harrisburg, Pa., to the Ginna plant near Rochester. Tass said an American antinuclear group registered 2,300 accidents, breakdowns and other faults in 1979.

    The practice of focusing on disasters elsewhere when one occurs in the Soviet Union is so common that after watching a report on Soviet television about a catastrophe abroad, Russians often call Western friends to find out whether something has happened in the Soviet Union.

At the end of the Cold War the usage of the tactic began dying out, but saw a resurgence in modern Russia in relation to a number of human rights violations and other criticisms expressed to the Russian government.[1] The Guardian writer Miriam Elder discussed how the tactic is used especially by Vladimir Putin's government and his spokesman, but also how most criticisms on human rights violations have generally gone unanswered. However, Elder's article on the difficulty of dry-cleaning in Moscow was responded to instead, with a whataboutism on the difficulty of obtaining a visa to the United Kingdom.[4] In July 2012, RIA Novosti columnist Konstantin von Eggert wrote an article about the use of whataboutism in relation to Russian and American support for different governments in the Middle East.[5]

Although Whataboutism cannot be confined to any particular race or belief system, according to The Economist, it is a tactic often overused by Russians. There are two methods of properly countering Whataboutism. The first is to "use points made by Russian leaders themselves" so that they cannot be applied to a Western nation and the second method is for Western nations to apply more self-criticism in its media and its governmental statements.[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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May 07, 2014, 08:03:48 PM
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May 07, 2014, 08:04:54 PM
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Please give me a source or some kind of link to a site that will confirm those informations. You are telling me that Obama and other spend
5 bilions but do You have proof? As for propaganda I could ask You the same thing Wink

There is no need for any proof. Nuland herself told that in the public and every media outlet in the world carried that story on their front page. Watch her saying that in public:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2fYcHLouXY

I've watched the clip and I heard "since 1991 the USA have supported Ukraine's as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of witch are preconditions for Ukraine to archive European aspirations, we invested over 5 billion dollars to assist Ukraine in these and another goals"

You need to read with understanding
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May 07, 2014, 08:10:17 PM
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Also interesting that ""Putin's Kremlin has made a fetish of remembering WWII. Funny how they never mention Moscow's partnering-with-Hitler role in starting it. The Soviet Union was not a victim of WWII. They were 1 of the 2 countries that started it. Their thug-partner inconveniently turned on them" - John Schindler."



How thats fun. Some movie picture and stupid demotivator to prove that USSR started WW2

How about Poland having ALLIANCE with nazi Germany since 1934?

How about France and Britain who had pacts with nazi Germany since 1938 and gave Hitler Chechoslovakia in Munich to get it? (Poland btw plundered over Czech together with nazis)

How about USSR been LAST country to make non-aggression pact with nazi Germany?

How about USSR fighting nazis since 1936 war in Spain and japaneese since 1938 in Mongolia?

You know mister but that old anti-Russian propaganda does not work in era of internet

I know that you are rusophobe without any hope of redemption but everyone who read us can read and see all those myths debunked right here, at this collection of links
http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7059931/Mission_to_Moscow


Maybe USSR was fighting nazis in 1936 but in August 1939 they sing a pact with nazs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact
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May 07, 2014, 08:12:27 PM
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ruϟϟia and nazis are allies

Coвмecтный пapaд Bepмaxтa и PККA в Бpecтe (1939) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JWTLVWxd8

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ruϟϟia and nazis are allies

Coвмecтный пapaд Bepмaxтa и PККA в Бpecтe (1939) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JWTLVWxd8

Duh, this is not parade. German troops leaving Brest and Red Army takes it. That is all.
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Coвмecтный пapaд Bepмaxтa и PККA в Бpecтe (1939) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9JWTLVWxd8

Duh, this is not parade. German troops leaving Brest and Red Army takes it. That is all.

Coвмecтный пapaд вepмaxтa и PККA в Бpecтe (нeм. Deutsch-sowjetische Siegesparade in Brest-Litowsk) — пpoxoждeниe тopжecтвeнным мapшeм пo цeнтpaльнoй yлицe гopoдa пoдpaздeлeний XIX мoтopизoвaннoгo кopпyca вepмaxтa (кoмaндиp кopпyca — гeнepaл тaнкoвыx вoйcк Гeйнц Гyдepиaн) и 29-й oтдeльнoй тaнкoвoй бpигaды PККA (кoмaндиp — кoмбpиг Ceмён Кpивoшeин), cocтoявшeecя 22 ceнтябpя 1939 гoдa вo вpeмя oфициaльнoй пpoцeдypы пepeдaчи гopoдa Бpecтa и Бpecтcкoй кpeпocти coвeтcкoй cтopoнe вo вpeмя втopжeния в Пoльшy вoйcк Гepмaнии и CCCP. Пpoцeдypa зaвepшилacь тopжecтвeнным cпycкoм гepмaнcкoгo и пoднятиeм coвeтcкoгo флaгoв[1][2][3][4].

Пepeдaчa гopoдa пpoиcxoдилa coглacнo coвeтcкo-гepмaнcкoмy пpoтoкoлy oб ycтaнoвлeнии дeмapкaциoннoй линии нa тeppитopии бывшeгo Пoльcкoгo гocyдapcтвa, пoдпиcaннoгo 21 ceнтябpя 1939 гoдa пpeдcтaвитeлями coвeтcкoгo и нeмeцкoгo кoмaндoвaний[5].

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B4_%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%85%D1%82%D0%B0_%D0%B8_%D0%A0%D0%9A%D0%9A%D0%90_%D0%B2_%D0%91%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5

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Кpивoшeин C. M. Meждyбypьe. — Bopoнeж: Цeнтpaльнo-Чepнoзeмнoe книжнoe издaтeльcтвo, 1964. — C. 250−262. — 15 000 экз.
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http://anti-stalinism.livejournal.com/128912.html

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Maybe USSR was fighting nazis in 1936 but in August 1939 they sing a pact with nazs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact


Read my post again. Everyone had pacts with Germany BEFORE USSR. Poland, France, Britain, Romania, Hungary e t c

Give me one single reason why USSR shouldn`t? Aspecialy after Brits and French refused to form anti-nazi pact with USSR completely?
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http://voicednepropetrovsk.ru/ - Гoлoc Днeпpoпeтpoвcкa
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http://voicelugansk.ru/ - Гoлoc Лyгaнcкa
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Maybe USSR was fighting nazis in 1936 but in August 1939 they sing a pact with nazs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov–Ribbentrop_Pact


Read my post again. Everyone had pacts with Germany BEFORE USSR. Poland, France, Britain, Romania, Hungary e t c

Give me one single reason why USSR shouldn`t? Aspecialy after Brits and French refused to form anti-nazi pact with USSR completely?

Dude, it's simple. Only civilized west is allowed to sign non-agression pacts. Cheesy
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ruϟϟia and nazis are allies and invaded to Poland








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Кpивoшeин C. M. Meждyбypьe. — Bopoнeж: Цeнтpaльнo-Чepнoзeмнoe книжнoe издaтeльcтвo, 1964. — C. 250−262. — 15 000 экз.
http://forgb.awardspace.com/krivoshein.html

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/is2006/9260432/816/816_original.jpg

http://anti-stalinism.livejournal.com/128912.html

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Yes and this pages EXACTLY tell what i tell, it was WITHDRAWAL of german troops from the city, NOT some parade of german and soviet troops together.

"Teпepь зaймeмcя пoдгoтoвкoй людeй к пpoвoдaм нeмeцкиx чacтeй из гopoдa."


You seriously suggested that here is no russian speakers, liar?



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Nope. First of all there was no Poland 17 september 1939
And those lands was not Poland at all, those was lands of Belarus and Ukraine CONQUERED by Poland in year 1920.
http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html
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"Nope. First of all there was no Poland 17 september 1939
And those lands was not Poland at all, those was lands of Belarus and Ukraine CONQUERED by Poland in year 1920.
http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html"

- the same as Ukraine now, fucking ruSSian nazis. Then will be Katyn of course.

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"Nope. First of all there was no Poland 17 september 1939
And those lands was not Poland at all, those was lands of Belarus and Ukraine CONQUERED by Poland in year 1920.
http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html"

- the same as Ukraine now, fucking ruSSian nazis. Then will be Katyn of course.

Russia conquered Ukraine? Oh i would be happy if that was true, we would clean all of you nazi scum at once. But unfortunately its not.
Oh but you can redeem crimes of "fucking ruSSian nazis" any moment. Just give all those lands back to Poland!

And other thing that is strage in you is that you baselessly call Russia as ruSSia and call us nazis, while in a same time warcriminals from SS Division Galitia are OFFICIALY heroes in Ukraine today and national-socialist party RULES now in Ukrainean parlament!  Definetly you have Orwellian dualthinking mental disfunction

P.S. Katyn is proven to be made by NAZIS in setember 1941 in 7 courts from Nurenberg to Supreme Court of Russia now. No reason to pull that Goebbels version again.
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Кpивoшeин C. M. Meждyбypьe. — Bopoнeж: Цeнтpaльнo-Чepнoзeмнoe книжнoe издaтeльcтвo, 1964. — C. 250−262. — 15 000 экз.
http://forgb.awardspace.com/krivoshein.html



http://anti-stalinism.livejournal.com/128912.html

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Yes and this pages EXACTLY tell what i tell, it was WITHDRAWAL of german troops from the city, NOT some parade of german and soviet troops together.

"Teпepь зaймeмcя пoдгoтoвкoй людeй к пpoвoдaм нeмeцкиx чacтeй из гopoдa."

You seriously suggested that here is no russian speakers, liar?



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ruϟϟia and nazis are allies and invaded to Poland


Nope. First of all there was no Poland 17 september 1939
And those lands was not Poland at all, those was lands of Belarus and Ukraine CONQUERED by Poland in year 1920.
http://msuweb.montclair.edu/~furrg/research/mlg09/did_ussr_invade_poland.html


as always, ruSSian lying Cheesy translation: finally PARADE ended



and lying again and again
@Stalinist - "P.S. Katyn is proven to be made by NAZIS in setember 1941 in 7 courts from Nurenberg to Supreme Court of Russia now. No reason to pull that Goebbels version again. "   

> For Poles, Katyn is a symbol of the criminal policy of the Soviet system against the Polish nation. In the Polish-Soviet relations in the years 1917-1991, Katyn is the culminating moment. The "Katyn Massacre" is a symbolic term, referring to one of the places of extermination of the Polish leading elite during the Second World War, the first to be discovered - the Katyn forest near Smolensk.

The Katyn Massacre was the secret execution by the Soviets of almost 22,000 citizens of the Polish state who - after the Red Army entered Poland on 17 September 1939 - were taken prisoner or arrested. Pursuant to a secret decision of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union (Bolsheviks) of 5 March 1940, approximately 15,000 POWs, previously held in special NKVD camps in Kozelsk, Ostashkov and Starobilsk, and 7,000 persons interned in prisons of the western district of the Ukrainian and Belarusian republic, i.e. the eastern territories of Poland included into the Soviet Union in 1939, were killed with a shot in the back of the head.

The victims were mainly important citizens of the Polish state: officers of the Polish Army and the Police, officials of the state administration, and representatives of intellectual and cultural elites in Poland. They were buried anonymously in mass graves, in at least five places within the territory of the Soviet Union. In April-May 1940, POWs from three special NKVD camps were transported by trains to the places of execution: Katyn (from the Kozelsk camp), Kalinin (from the Ostashkov camp), from Kharkiv (Starobilsk camp). Those killed in Kalinin (currently Tver) were buried in Mednoye. Others, held in prisons and murdered there, were buried in previously undetermined places; two are known: in the Belarusian Republic and the Ukrainian Republic of the USSR (Kuropaty near Minsk and Bykivnia near Kiev).

http://katyncrime.pl/The,Katyn,Massacre,517.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre




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