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Author Topic: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.  (Read 734752 times)
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June 06, 2014, 03:48:11 AM
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What is supposed to happen after or on the 7th?

http://news.yahoo.com/inauguration-ukraines-poroshenko-set-june-7-084425895.html

I don't know. It's up to Poroshenko and his puppeteers, once Poroshenko officially becomes the President of Ukraine.


On Friday he is expected to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin at World War Two D-day celebrations in France, a potentially awkward encounter given Moscow's strong criticism of Kiev's use of force to quell pro-Russian rebellions in eastern Ukraine.

Wonder how this will go , like the other reunion?




I hate to say it but Putin will eat his lunch. Our president is an incompetent and weak buffoon.

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June 06, 2014, 03:48:19 AM
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http://youtu.be/qBXdRUo-cTI

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June 06, 2014, 07:27:29 AM
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Another setback for the Ukrainian Army:

http://www.liveinternet.ru/users/3905883/post326850204/

One Ukrainian Air Force helicopter shot down by Slavyansk militia

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_06/One-Ukrainian-Air-Force-helicopter-shot-down-by-Slavyansk-militia-6734/
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June 06, 2014, 08:59:41 AM
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Map from old article, published in 2011:



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June 06, 2014, 09:15:49 AM
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Seems like Obama's nightmare is coming true.
Crimea: check.
Novorossia: almost check
Smiley

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 06, 2014, 10:36:21 AM
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Map from old article, published in 2011

A few changes needs to be made:

1. Azerbaijan should be classified as an enemy.
2. Georgia should be classified as neutral.
3. Finland should be classified as enemy.
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June 06, 2014, 01:44:08 PM
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800 students were released from the Lugansk police academy, after their parents protested outside. The Academy had received orders to recruit them to the national guard.  Angry

A sulfur production plant has caught fire in the village of Semenovka near Slavyansk as a result of the Ukrainian army shelling the building. Danger of a major explosion in the heavily inhabited area.
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June 06, 2014, 02:16:53 PM
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And amid all that talk between Poroshenko (Valtsman) and Putin...

Putin, Poroshenko meet on D-Day sidelines, call for end to E.Ukraine bloodshed
http://rt.com/news/164236-putin-poroshenko-ukraine-bloodshed/

...this continues:

12:16
350 people evacuated from Slavyansk, E. Ukraine

Authorities in the Ukrainian city of Slavyansk have said they need assistance in evacuating civilians from eastern parts of the Donetsk region. About 350 children and their parents have already been evacuated, Unian news agency reported Friday. The Ukrainian army and security forces are continuing a military operation in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-06-06/#63380

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 06, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
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And amid all that talk between Poroshenko (Valtsman) and Putin...

Putin, Poroshenko meet on D-Day sidelines, call for end to E.Ukraine bloodshed
http://rt.com/news/164236-putin-poroshenko-ukraine-bloodshed/

...this continues:

12:16
350 people evacuated from Slavyansk, E. Ukraine

Authorities in the Ukrainian city of Slavyansk have said they need assistance in evacuating civilians from eastern parts of the Donetsk region. About 350 children and their parents have already been evacuated, Unian news agency reported Friday. The Ukrainian army and security forces are continuing a military operation in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
http://rt.com/news/line/2014-06-06/#63380

You realize there are no more comments like before on the situation in Ukraine from Russian officials?
They are keeping silent or giving some general answers about what it should be done.

I think that the fighters in Slavyansk can wait for Russia to back them openly another decade.

The discussion in Normandy is deciding their faith right now and it won't be a happy one.



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June 06, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
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On this, I agree with you, though I don't like it.
The powers that be have woken the genie in Novorossia, and it seems they would try to put it back into a bottle.
It all comes down to whether the genie will cooperate. Novorossians said that they will continue their fight for independence with or without help from Russia. It just may mean more unnecessary bloodshed.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 06, 2014, 03:18:24 PM
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You realize there are no more comments like before on the situation in Ukraine from Russian officials?
They are keeping silent or giving some general answers about what it should be done.

They are not remaining silent. Even today there were protests from high ranking Russian officials such as Pavel Astakhov. But most of them seems to have realized that the Kiev junta no longer listens to the verbal requests.
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June 06, 2014, 03:26:24 PM
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Just to come with some news from the Russian media, to appease niothor Wink

The resistance fighters shot down an AN-30 recon plane near Slavjansk:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/06/down/

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 06, 2014, 03:34:09 PM
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Just to come with some news from the Russian media, to appease niothor Wink

The resistance fighters shot down an AN-30 recon plane near Slavjansk:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/06/06/down/


You know pretty much my opinion on both Ukrainians and Russians so as long as there are nuts with guns killing each other they can do it freely.

To bad that both sides have a lot of civilians killed on their list.
I don't expect you (maybe bryant or 247crypto) to claim that the bullets fired from rebels are specially design to avoid civilians Smiley.

But as you said before , you know what this silence means Wink.
Syria? The same silence as after the so called "gas" attacks.


Edit: merging replies

You realize there are no more comments like before on the situation in Ukraine from Russian officials?
They are keeping silent or giving some general answers about what it should be done.

They are not remaining silent. Even today there were protests from high ranking Russian officials such as Pavel Astakhov. But most of them seems to have realized that the Kiev junta no longer listens to the verbal requests.

Sorry but this guy seems like a puppet or a celebrity appointed as a spokesman.

On 30 December 2009 Dmitry Medvedev named Astakhov as the Children's Rights Commissioner for the President of the Russian Federation.




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June 06, 2014, 03:53:00 PM
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I don't expect you (maybe bryant or 247crypto) to claim that the bullets fired from rebels are specially design to avoid civilians Smiley.

It's not so much about bullets. Most civilian casualties occurred during artillery shelling or bombing by the Ukrainine Army, situated in fields and heights around cities. The resistance is shooting from the outskirts of the cities and out. Most close combat skirmishes occurred at checkpoints, where there were little or no civilians.

So would claim that at least the probability of civilians dying from Ukrainine Army ammunition is far higher than from resistance ammunition.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 06, 2014, 04:07:45 PM
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I think that the fighters in Slavyansk can wait for Russia to back them openly another decade.

The discussion in Normandy is deciding their faith right now and it won't be a happy one.

Depends on what you're considering 'happy'. As we can see, Ukrainian (para)military is having tremendous difficulties to supress the rebellion. I think it is pretty clear that it's impossible to do at this point without launching full scale offensive which would most likely cause devastation of several towns and cities and massive exodus of civilian population. Term 'ethnic cleansing' comes to mind. Only way to end this crisis is to immediately halt all operations, sit and talk.

However, it's not Kiev and Moscow who should negotiate, but Kiev and their own citizens on the East who are demanding substantial autonomy. Which, so far, has been met only by denial and use of lethal force by the government. Kiev officials must finally step out and take responsibility, instead of playing victims in Western medias and hiding behind propagandistic slogans.
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June 06, 2014, 04:17:19 PM
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Sorry but this guy seems like a puppet or a celebrity appointed as a spokesman.

Sorry but this guy made more than a hundred of online warriors like you, he helps to evacuate thousands of children from Donbass.

NO PSAKING!
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June 06, 2014, 04:27:16 PM
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The resistance fighters shot down an AN-30 recon plane near Slavjansk

Shooting down technically less-advanced aircraft such as AN-30 using the 9K38 Igla is not a big thing. The AN-30 is not capable of flying very quickly, and it does not have any anti-SAM systems with it. I am more interested about the claim by the DPA that they have shot down two Sukhoi Su-25 fighter jets over Slavyansk. If confirmed, it represents a major breakthrough for the rebels.
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June 06, 2014, 04:29:51 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USkIDjRhfmI

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June 06, 2014, 04:39:08 PM
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How shameless people can get. See this:

http://ria.ru/world/20140606/1011024729.html

He led the violent protests, which caused all the damage, and now he is asking money to repair the buildings.  Angry

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