Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia.

[keymone2]

An enlightening interview with Russian Presidential Advisor Sergei Glazyev on July 24 2014.

Must watch IMO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cikvqdMRTTA

"hi, my world view is completely formed by russian propaganda, i found this video with more russian propaganda, it is so true and awesome, must watch!"

that's how i see you mate, sorry

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[keymone2]

https://twitter.com/euromaidan/status/501859344183750656/photo/1

talk about teaching kids bad things, please do talk.

[Balthazar]

Sorry, guy, but... Do you have something except "russian propaganda" in your dictionary? Maybe you need to spend some time for self-development? This could be very useful.

[keymone2]

Sorry, guy, but... Do you have something except "russian propaganda" in your dictionary? Maybe you need to spend some time for self-development? This could be very useful.

it's not my fault that all coming from russian media is propaganda or did you not see hundreds of proven lies coming from russian national television and other kremlin puppets?

[Snail2]

it's not my fault that all coming from russian media is propaganda or did you not see hundreds of proven lies coming from russian national television and other kremlin puppets?

Do you really think that those gangsters in the Ukrainian parliament and their personally owned news channels are are the ultimate source of the pure truth? You can't be that naive...

[keymone2]

Do you really think that those gangsters in the Ukrainian parliament and their personally owned news channels are are the ultimate source of the pure truth? You can't be that naive...

please do quote me where i'm saying that

[Nemo1024]

it's not my fault that all coming from russian media is propaganda or did you not see hundreds of proven lies coming from russian national television and other kremlin puppets?

Do you really think that those gangsters in the Ukrainian parliament and their personally owned news channels are are the ultimate source of the pure truth? You can't be that naive...

I think he does, or is well paid to do so, which, if true, is worse.

Not saying that Russian channels don't show (counter-)propaganda, but I saw an interesting tidbit on the Solovjov's talkshow on Sunday. He invites various politicians and they have rather long discussions about various political affairs, Ukraine being one of them. If the issue is international, he often invites someone from the country of interest. Last Sunday, a member of Ukrainian parliament (they are not all gangsters, but those who aren't often get physically beaten during the parliament sessions for speaking their mind) was among the guest debaters. She had the following interesting observation: it's like two parallel realities in Ukraine now. What she sees happening in the country in her capacity, and what is shown on TV, which turns to be a kind of parallel virtual reality.


Read a newsitem yesterday, where a Ukrainian officer voiced an opinion that some third party operates on the territory of Ukraine, shooting both at freedom fighters' positions and at the same time at National Guard positions, trying to stoke the flames even more. Though I am not convinced by such statement, there are plenty of 3rd parties interested in instability on the Russian border or economic gain or both, from Kolomojskij with his private army and outlook to more property acquisitions, to the US.


Humanitarian convoy is forbidden to make stop on the territory of Ukraine until it reaches its destination:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/21/stop/
They are still at the border, though. Last I read yesterday, the Ukrainian officials didn't show up to inspect the cargo.

[Pagan]

  What effort to get into the Guinness Book of Records.
Waiting time at the Russian ferry to the occupied Crimea: 55 hours



http://zloy-odessit.livejournal.com/712344.html

[Pagan]

Photos of ruSSian APC claimed captured in Ukraine. Origin: Pskov










https://www.facebook.com/bochkala/posts/789072054478519

[keymone2]

I think he does, or is well paid to do so, which, if true, is worse.

Not saying that Russian channels don't show (counter-)propaganda, but I saw an interesting tidbit on the Solovjov's talkshow on Sunday. He invites various politicians and they have rather long discussions about various political affairs, Ukraine being one of them. If the issue is international, he often invites someone from the country of interest. Last Sunday, a member of Ukrainian parliament (they are not all gangsters, but those who aren't often get physically beaten during the parliament sessions for speaking their mind) was among the guest debaters. She had the following interesting observation: it's like two parallel realities in Ukraine now. What she sees happening in the country in her capacity, and what is shown on TV, which turns to be a kind of parallel virtual reality.


Read a newsitem yesterday, where a Ukrainian officer voiced an opinion that some third party operates on the territory of Ukraine, shooting both at freedom fighters' positions and at the same time at National Guard positions, trying to stoke the flames even more. Though I am not convinced by such statement, there are plenty of 3rd parties interested in instability on the Russian border or economic gain or both, from Kolomojskij with his private army and outlook to more property acquisitions, to the US.


Humanitarian convoy is forbidden to make stop on the territory of Ukraine until it reaches its destination:
http://lenta.ru/news/2014/08/21/stop/
They are still at the border, though. Last I read yesterday, the Ukrainian officials didn't show up to inspect the cargo.

oh wow, so far it was me suspecting many pro russians of being paid by kremlin. believe me or not - for what i'm saying i'm not taking a dime because it's an honest world view that you too can have if you just spend bit more time investigating the facts.

"Not saying that Russian channels don't show (counter-)propaganda" counter-propaganda to what? russia started it's propaganda war in late 2013 when euromaidan happened. i remember one particular moment when propaganda just became too obvious - it was Kiselev's reporting of Ukraine committing suicide. man if there are any checklists of what propaganda message should include - that report would fulfill all of them. it had everything from outright blatant lies to skewed information to using specially crafted rhetoric and wording that forms one's worldview. after that point things just went downhill.

if you really truly care about truth - why don't you go through entries on stopfake.org from oldest to newest and cross-check how many things you consider a fact were actually proven to be russia's propaganda?

and the virtual reality created by TV is exactly what you experience by watching russian media, ukraine just doesn't have enough experience to compete with that.

[Snail2]

oh wow, so far it was me suspecting many pro russians of being paid by kremlin. believe me or not - for what i'm saying i'm not taking a dime because it's an honest world view that you too can have if you just spend bit more time investigating the facts.

"Not saying that Russian channels don't show (counter-)propaganda" counter-propaganda to what? russia started it's propaganda war in late 2013 when euromaidan happened. i remember one particular moment when propaganda just became too obvious - it was Kiselev's reporting of Ukraine committing suicide. man if there are any checklists of what propaganda message should include - that report would fulfill all of them. it had everything from outright blatant lies to skewed information to using specially crafted rhetoric and wording that forms one's worldview. after that point things just went downhill.

if you really truly care about truth - why don't you go through entries on stopfake.org from oldest to newest and cross-check how many things you consider a fact were actually proven to be russia's propaganda?

and the virtual reality created by TV is exactly what you experience by watching russian media, ukraine just doesn't have enough experience to compete with that.

You seems to indirectly prove my point. I everything from Russia are lies and false propaganda then logically the other side must say the truth .

[keymone2]

You seems to indirectly prove my point. I everything from Russia are lies and false propaganda then logically the other side must say the truth .

false dichotomy. me saying all from russia is lies does not mean me saying all from ukraine is truth.

by the way here's a fresh example of russian lies - remember that video with "suspected ukrainian ballistic rocket" and shattering glass? a message from @chopstick here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518645.msg8444051#msg8444051

it was reported by russian media to be a ballistic strike by ukrainian army and it was actually russian rocket blowing up near Baikonur cosmodrom in 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6ct4GW7pw

[Snail2]

You seems to indirectly prove my point. I everything from Russia are lies and false propaganda then logically the other side must say the truth .

false dichotomy. me saying all from russia is lies does not mean me saying all from ukraine is truth.

by the way here's a fresh example of russian lies - remember that video with "suspected ukrainian ballistic rocket" and shattering glass? a message from @chopstick here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=518645.msg8444051#msg8444051

it was reported by russian media to be a ballistic strike by ukrainian army and it was actually russian rocket blowing up near Baikonur cosmodrom in 2013 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV6ct4GW7pw

Actually that youtube video have been uploaded by some random bloke. That guy could be Russian, Ukrainian, even Chinese, American or Zulu. I have no means to find out. Only Google and maybe God knows that (but I'm not sure about the second).
Practically I can't even rule out that you made it for supporting you standpoint here about Russian lies . So this is not a good example.

[Balthazar]

"Post fakes & find out the truth a bit later" is a typical maidan-troll behavior template. Almost all of their "online projects" like censor.net.ua, stopfake.org and many others are constantly doing these crappy things. I even sure that keymone2 & chopstick are two sides of the same person.

[keymone2]

Actually that youtube video have been uploaded by some random bloke. That guy could be Russian, Ukrainian, even Chinese, American or Zulu. I have no means to find out. Only Google and maybe God knows that (but I'm not sure about the second).
Practically I can't even rule out that you made it for supporting you standpoint here about Russian lies . So this is not a good example.

did i also make that reporting in russian media as shown in second video? truly russian way of thinking - instead of admitting a mistake continue blaming everything on "evil outsiders who want to destroy slavic world!"

@Balthazar

"I even sure that keymone2 & chopstick are two sides of the same person." oh i can't wait to see what chopstick has to say about that

[jurij.timofejev]

He he.. Russian TV makes a fake video:
http://image.tsn.ua/media/images3/218xX/Aug2014/384045162.jpg

http://ru.tsn.ua/video/video-novini/2119-1-1.html?type=2

[keymone2]

"Post fakes & find out the truth a bit later" is a typical maidan-troll behavior template. Almost all of their "online projects" like censor.net.ua, stopfake.org and many others are constantly doing these crappy things. I even sure that keymone2 & chopstick are two sides of the same person.

"Almost all of their "online projects" like censor.net.ua, stopfake.org and many others are constantly doing these crappy things." is this your mindshield to protect yourself from going to those sites and seeng things you think are truth are actually propaganda? you must be desperate to save your parallel reality where putin is saint and everyone tries to kill him

[bryant.coleman]

Ukrainian forces from the pocket around the Lugansk Airport are trying to seize the village of Malonikolayevka. This village lies on the highway connecting Krasnyi Luch to Lugansk. The real aim might be to disrupt the Russian aid supplies to Krasnyi Luch.

Situation in Ilovaisk not yet clear. Both the sides are claiming control. Ukrainian volunteer battalion Shahtersk announced a few hours earlier that they have withdrawn from Ilovaisk. However, Dnepr and Azov claims that they are still holding there.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian sources on yesterday confirmed the loss of 1 Su-25, 1 Mi-24 and 1 Mi-8.

[Snail2]

did i also make that reporting in russian media as shown in second video? truly russian way of thinking - instead of admitting a mistake continue blaming everything on "evil outsiders who want to destroy slavic world!"

That's not "truly Russian way of thinking" that's a typical way of thinking everywhere on this world .
Sometimes it's about the slavic world, sometimes it's about the democratic values of the west, sometimes about the bloody pump and dumpers on BTC-e . Welcome to this world mate .

[Balthazar]

Exactly, somebody needs to wake up.