🕹️ Esports 🎮 Prediction & Discussion Thread

[Peanutswar]

It's obvious that they haven't really played much as a team for long. Yuragi is also in a pretty terrible shape given how bad he plays and how many times he needed help even though the situation could have been avoided. Give it a few more games and I'm pretty sure OG will figure something out. They're up against Ooredoo Thunders and I think they could win on this matchup, provided that they catch that synergy and start rolling the ball before the enemy starts doing their own thing. Pretty sure Chu can do his magic and win with the boys.

I’m wondering what kind of magic Chu can do to overcome their Division giant. Pretty sure they can have a game against a division 2 team but the problem was OG didn’t catch up anymore on the meta compared to other team like Liquid, Tundra and GG. OG was left behind without an impressive supports. Most of the strongest team in their division has a reliable supports which they can give space to their carry to farm their item without the need to respond.

Reliable supports is what lacking on OG. OG has a complete roster, it’s just other team has an impressive roster that’s why they looks like Division 2 team now that always being outplayed and outdraft in every match.

OG is not the same anymore since their carry topson and ana is not on the team and also the complexity of their team does not exist anymore I guess they need to check first their team whats the wrong with it, imagine Team liquid right now just one player can change all the things happen in the game I guess if this might continue Liquid will manage again to be part of the back to back ti champs unless they can kick the tundra and TS right now.

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[execijutiere]

Hey guys.. thoughts in Forze vs Ence match?? I think Forze take this.. they are playing a good cs imo

I'd also go with Forze for this upper-bracket final match. It's hard to discount their achievements in this group so far, as they've beaten NaVi and Spirit in BO3s. Additionally, I think that Forze has better map stats compared to ENCE, which gives them an edge in this match-up.

It's normal to think like this, but we should not forget that NaVi had a hard time beating Astralis.This shows us that forze might not have been able to beat navi.I honestly think that team Ence will beat forze with their experience. Forze may be made up of younger and more talented players, but in tournaments like this, experience and cooler heads prevail.We've seen this time and time again, and it's usually experience that wins.Talent takes you to a certain point.At some point you get stuck and experience starts to speak.Experience trumps talent at times.My personal opinion, of course.

[speedy963]

It's obvious that they haven't really played much as a team for long. Yuragi is also in a pretty terrible shape given how bad he plays and how many times he needed help even though the situation could have been avoided. Give it a few more games and I'm pretty sure OG will figure something out. They're up against Ooredoo Thunders and I think they could win on this matchup, provided that they catch that synergy and start rolling the ball before the enemy starts doing their own thing. Pretty sure Chu can do his magic and win with the boys.

I’m wondering what kind of magic Chu can do to overcome their Division giant. Pretty sure they can have a game against a division 2 team but the problem was OG didn’t catch up anymore on the meta compared to other team like Liquid, Tundra and GG. OG was left behind without an impressive supports. Most of the strongest team in their division has a reliable supports which they can give space to their carry to farm their item without the need to respond.

Reliable supports is what lacking on OG. OG has a complete roster, it’s just other team has an impressive roster that’s why they looks like Division 2 team now that always being outplayed and outdraft in every match.

OG is not the same anymore since their carry topson and ana is not on the team and also the complexity of their team does not exist anymore I guess they need to check first their team whats the wrong with it, imagine Team liquid right now just one player can change all the things happen in the game I guess if this might continue Liquid will manage again to be part of the back to back ti champs unless they can kick the tundra and TS right now.

Ever since the last TI micke is always on fire. I guess I could say based on my point of view that it is the peak of his career since he's playing top level gameplays, though there're times that his teammates are always there for support, it is undeniable that their synergy in those games are totally different from what they usually do few years ago. Even insania significantly improve and can be considered one of the best captains right now in dota 2.

[Beparanf]

OG is not the same anymore since their carry topson and ana is not on the team and also the complexity of their team does not exist anymore I guess they need to check first their team whats the wrong with it, imagine Team liquid right now just one player can change all the things happen in the game I guess if this might continue Liquid will manage again to be part of the back to back ti champs unless they can kick the tundra and TS right now.

Totally agree. The current OG is playing by the book that makes them easy to read and counter. Their rotation is so predictable that makes it useless and waste of time. They don’t have good vision on most of their that makes them always play on defensive position. This is not the real OG mindset. I think the OldG on division 2 might replaced them in Division 1 in the future if they didn’t step up their game.

[execijutiere]

In the first match of the day, we watched spirit vs liquid. Spirit defeated liquid 2-0. Spirit's young awper wonderful was the standout player of the team. We can say that he was the player who won the match for his team by getting 46 kills in two maps. Liquid played poorly as a team and lost as a result. I think there is something missing in the team. They need to prepare better.
In the second match of the day, we will watch the Rare atom - Navi match. NaVi will defeat his opponent even if it is difficult. His opponent is one of China's strong rivals, but this time navi has no chance of losing.

[Coin_trader]

When it comes to betting i'd skip but my prediction would be 2-1 OG, the over 2.5 might be an okay bet but i'd prefer to go on Tundra -1.5 @1.85 against Team Nigma.

Congratulations on your won with Tundra -1.5 for sweeping Nigma. I thought Nigma will have a chance to take game 2 but they started to crumble at the late game because their spectre is always being Kite by NP while ATF can’t give a better space for his team. I’m surprised with the sudden change role of Ammar and MC. This result to a terrible game because MC keeps dying and being kite on both games. He is not suited for pos 1 while Ammar is not doing good too on pos 3 despite he is using comfort hero.

Nigma draft too is so weak and highly reliable for their carry to farm full item in late game which they are always weak since their offlane can’t make a play like what 33 is doing. Nigma has chance with their line up on the last major. Wth did ATF doing on both games.

[arallmuus]

When it comes to betting i'd skip but my prediction would be 2-1 OG, the over 2.5 might be an okay bet but i'd prefer to go on Tundra -1.5 @1.85 against Team Nigma.

Got this one as well, its the best value that you can get for now before Nigma start their losing streak.

I think Nigma's plan for now would be to use ATF on their roster until they play on the region qualifier for TI then pretty sure Miracle might join the team later on that qualifier. Its just a no brainer to keep ATF on their team after playing so bad like that

[execijutiere]

Navi defeated his rival rare atom 2-1 and paired with spirit. It is safe to say that it was not a very difficult match for Navi. But it is obvious that npl is not navi's player, they will need to make substitutions as soon as possible, otherwise it seems like navi will continue to play one person less in tournaments. The stars of the team showed themselves with a difference. Electronic,s1mple and b1t won the match with good play. All 3 names passed the 60 kill threshold.

[rafaloko]

Being honest here... if it wasnt for s1mple's great skills, this navi would easily lose to a lot of T2 teams..

[Balmain]

Being honest here... if it wasnt for s1mple's great skills, this navi would easily lose to a lot of T2 teams..

Navi can only survive thanks to s1mple. Unfortunately, other players cannot provide an extra benefit to the team. npl was extremely bad in this game. I don't know how many Tier Rare Atom team is, but they were only able to hit eight people on the Inferno map, and the NPL barely approached ten kills on the other maps. npl, will be out of the squad or bench in the near future, continues to play sloppy like this, using their last chance.

[dothebeats]

Being honest here... if it wasnt for s1mple's great skills, this navi would easily lose to a lot of T2 teams..

Pretty sure as of this point s1mple is being fed up with the situation. You can even see him do a mild rage every time they are losing rounds that they are supposed to win. If the rest of Navi don't put in the effort to win their matches, it's not far off that s1mple quits the team and just go someplace where his talents can be utilized without really needing him to carry everyone on his back every time. I see electronic is somewhat helping, but he's also being a liability for his poor decision-making skills. npl? Nah. Navi is in such a sorry state right now that it's not really cool to see them this low.

[ralle14]

Nigma draft too is so weak and highly reliable for their carry to farm full item in late game which they are always weak since their offlane can’t make a play like what 33 is doing. Nigma has chance with their line up on the last major. Wth did ATF doing on both games.

I agree the draft wasn't great and their role swap might've been an improvement but it isn't enough to bring in the result they're hoping for as the bigger issue of not having a good carry is still there.

If the odds are good enough next week I might bet on them again in their next series since they'll be up against Team Liquid.

Also, good to see OG get their first win but their tough schedule isn't over yet as they'll face Gaimin Gladiators next week and potentially go 1-3.

[speedy963]

Nigma draft too is so weak and highly reliable for their carry to farm full item in late game which they are always weak since their offlane can’t make a play like what 33 is doing. Nigma has chance with their line up on the last major. Wth did ATF doing on both games.

I agree the draft wasn't great and their role swap might've been an improvement but it isn't enough to bring in the result they're hoping for as the bigger issue of not having a good carry is still there.

If the odds are good enough next week I might bet on them again in their next series since they'll be up against Team Liquid.

Also, good to see OG get their first win but their tough schedule isn't over yet as they'll face Gaimin Gladiators next week and potentially go 1-3.

Their playstyle is the same from when they were before which is 4 protect 1 playstyle to let the carry farm, though it isn't bad before, now there are so many counters on that playstyle. The Old OG were even mopping the floor against them playing unorthodox style. Nigma's playstyle was passed down from miracle and it undeniable that there're only a few times that this kind of strat is effective against top tier teams.

[Mauser]

Very interesting week in the ESL Pro League Season 17 with some surprises again. In Group D we saw this week NaVi losing 2-1 against Forze, luckily I was busy and didn't place any bets yet. NaVi pulled through the lower bracket and is playing today in the group lower bracket final against Spirit which they should be winning. Somehow I thought NaVi would be playing better this Series and not lose 1 map in all of their games so far, I will just place a small bet on them for today. The other two matches today are knock out games that need to be won by the teams. First will be Astralis vs ATK, which is going to be an easy win for Astralis, I don't see them losing this one. And the second match will be Team Liquid vs Rare Atom, which Liquid should be winning but it's going to be close. Because Rare Atoms where the ones to send to send Liquid to the lower bracket in the first place. And tomorrow will be the upper bracket final between Forze and ENCE, hard to pick a winner for the match because Forze had such a good run so far. Normally I would pick ENCE to win this one , but Forze managed to win quite a lot of games lately and might be on a winning streak.

[Peanutswar]

When it comes to betting i'd skip but my prediction would be 2-1 OG, the over 2.5 might be an okay bet but i'd prefer to go on Tundra -1.5 @1.85 against Team Nigma.

Congratulations on your won with Tundra -1.5 for sweeping Nigma. I thought Nigma will have a chance to take game 2 but they started to crumble at the late game because their spectre is always being Kite by NP while ATF can’t give a better space for his team. I’m surprised with the sudden change role of Ammar and MC. This result to a terrible game because MC keeps dying and being kite on both games. He is not suited for pos 1 while Ammar is not doing good too on pos 3 despite he is using comfort hero.

Nigma draft too is so weak and highly reliable for their carry to farm full item in late game which they are always weak since their offlane can’t make a play like what 33 is doing. Nigma has chance with their line up on the last major. Wth did ATF doing on both games.

Nigma Galaxy is not effective right now because miracle is not on their team anymore as their top player many people think that amar can make changes and sumail, well it's effective because we know how Amar is one of the greatest offlane and Sumail for the midlane but the draft of nigma is not effective seems like one of the oldest draft still kuroky keep dreaming from the Ti1 which does not have an impact the reason why they manage to make a 1-1 series because of the space created by Razor of Amar but upon checking item of MC its so poor as a core hero, I guess kuro need to make some changes with their strategy.

[execijutiere]

In the first match of the day, we watched ATK-Astralis match. Astralis won the match 2-1. I can say that Astralis had a hard time winning the match. Both teams won the maps they chose and the match went down to the last map. On the last map, astralis played better as a team and won. When we look at the overall match, astralis' two stars were the players who won the match. Device 68 kills and blameF 64 kills won the match for their team.

[dbshck]

Being honest here... if it wasnt for s1mple's great skills, this navi would easily lose to a lot of T2 teams..

Pretty sure as of this point s1mple is being fed up with the situation. You can even see him do a mild rage every time they are losing rounds that they are supposed to win. If the rest of Navi don't put in the effort to win their matches, it's not far off that s1mple quits the team and just go someplace where his talents can be utilized without really needing him to carry everyone on his back every time. I see electronic is somewhat helping, but he's also being a liability for his poor decision-making skills. npl? Nah. Navi is in such a sorry state right now that it's not really cool to see them this low.

Indeed, it's sad to see NaVi in this state. I still think that 2022 could have been an era for NaVi if Boombl4 had stayed on the team. Now, I'm really hoping they can overcome Spirit and secure a spot in the playoffs. Their journey in EPL hasn't been easy thus far, with their loss to Forze in the opening match and all subsequent matches going the full three maps.

And the second match will be Team Liquid vs Rare Atom, which Liquid should be winning but it's going to be close. Because Rare Atoms where the ones to send to send Liquid to the lower bracket in the first place.

I'm really excited for this match. Gonna be interesting to see if Rare Atom's win against Liquid a couple of days ago was just a fluke or if they're really up for the challenge. If Rare Atom can keep up their game, we might be in for a thrilling showdown. I bet Liquid also will be eager to prove themselves and bounce back from their earlier defeat

[execijutiere]

There were no surprises in the NaVi-Spirit match and NaVi won. Although they had a hard time on Anubis, the map Spirit chose, navi managed to win the map. On the Nuke map, they won again with a good team game and defeated their opponent 2-0. I can say that they were good as a team and there were no bad players for NaVi.
In the last match of the day, we watched the Liquid-Rare atom match. Liquid defeated its opponent 2-0.  It should be said that they did not have much difficulty in the match where NAF and Yekindar became stars. Liquid won both maps with comfortable scores.

[dothebeats]

Being honest here... if it wasnt for s1mple's great skills, this navi would easily lose to a lot of T2 teams..

Pretty sure as of this point s1mple is being fed up with the situation. You can even see him do a mild rage every time they are losing rounds that they are supposed to win. If the rest of Navi don't put in the effort to win their matches, it's not far off that s1mple quits the team and just go someplace where his talents can be utilized without really needing him to carry everyone on his back every time. I see electronic is somewhat helping, but he's also being a liability for his poor decision-making skills. npl? Nah. Navi is in such a sorry state right now that it's not really cool to see them this low.

Indeed, it's sad to see NaVi in this state. I still think that 2022 could have been an era for NaVi if Boombl4 had stayed on the team. Now, I'm really hoping they can overcome Spirit and secure a spot in the playoffs. Their journey in EPL hasn't been easy thus far, with their loss to Forze in the opening match and all subsequent matches going the full three maps.

Boombl4 would have a good time with Navi only if his wife kept her mouth shut. Imagine being at your peak with one of the best players in the world and then one emotionally-driven post from your wife destroys it all. Must have been frustrating to Boombl4 as well that's for sure.

As for Navi v TSpirit, s1mple and the gang managed to win 2-0 against their opponents. It was a good run from Navi seeing that they seemed like they knew how to play in that match-up. I say this because their last few games were quite rough even though they won those. Hopefully ENCE defeats FORZE so Navi can redeem themselves against the team that defeated them in the early stages of EPL.

[jakelyson]

OG is not the same anymore since their carry topson and ana is not on the team and also the complexity of their team does not exist anymore I guess they need to check first their team whats the wrong with it, imagine Team liquid right now just one player can change all the things happen in the game I guess if this might continue Liquid will manage again to be part of the back to back ti champs unless they can kick the tundra and TS right now.

Totally agree. The current OG is playing by the book that makes them easy to read and counter. Their rotation is so predictable that makes it useless and waste of time. They don’t have good vision on most of their that makes them always play on defensive position. This is not the real OG mindset. I think the OldG on division 2 might replaced them in Division 1 in the future if they didn’t step up their game.

These are still very young players and there is definitely a lot of space for improvement. They are not totally bad since they won some tournaments last year with the same roster. So, they might just need a little bit of push or guidance from the management. OLD G is competitive right now but I do not know if that is enough to compete in Division 1.