Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024

[harapan]

I think this club has a lot of luck, as they are one step away from the top spot, and they have been quite strong this season. I wonder how it will all end, if they will even get into the European Cup if they suddenly start losing or where they will be at the end of the season, because there is no faith in their victory so far

I don't think  we can classify Aston Villa as very lucky this season. They have had to fight hard for where they are right now. Leicester City was lucky enough to be in form at a time when other teams in the league were not in form except Arsenal who bottled the league.
Now we have Liverpool, Arsenal, Tottenham and Manchester City that are hot in the league, then a team like Aston Villa is 3rd on the table above Tottenham and Man City, the same points with Liverpool and 2 points behind league leaders Arsenal. That's very impressive. Leicester City was not this good in my opinion.

I don't think Aston Villa will win the league, in fact I don't even think they'll qualify for the champions league because I don't think they'll be able to keep up this form and compete with the other teams till the end. These teams are in good form this season, but so far they've been very impressive and that should be applauded.

[tygeade]

Don't get too vexed my man, go and check the qualities  and club's they have won at home this season before you keep on lamenting and complaining. They've won clubs in a better place than Chelsea so don't take it too personal.

At least Nkuku has scored a goal. Manchester United number nine, Rasmus Hojlund hasn't registered one in the Premier League ( I'm aware he has five in the Champions League )

I'm no blue and Pochetino's decision making is almost as Erik Ten Hag. I don't know whays wrong with em. They manage a game well and the next week, they be jonzin.

I do believe that Wolves are doing great, but I do think that Chelsea played well too, they might have some sort of recovery after all, it could be something they can redeem at the end of the season and maybe it would be something nice for them. I am not saying they will finish in top four or anything like that, obviously they will not have that but at the end of the day we are talking about something that would be a bit more unique, and that should be the most important part.

I agree that we are going to end up with a situation that has to be a bit different, because they should have been higher to begin with and if they go up it is not like they will finish where they should, but at least they would be doing a bit better.

[Mame89]

It's very sad to see Manchester United this season, it's bitter when playing at Old Trafford, Ten Hag and his team are not the favourites. A very understandable situation, because Aston Villa is in its best form, we have seen how big teams fell at the hands of Unai Emery troops before. Ten Hag will receive sharp criticism if he loses points again, the huge pressure that continues to be on him has not yet ended, the mentality of the Manchester United squad is currently in a bad condition, there are not many words about their current performance.

As a big team, Manchester United should be able to get up and forget the defeat they suffered the previous week. At least, even though it will be difficult to beat Aston Villa, just holding a draw is good enough if you can't do more, in order to avoid being ridiculed and laughed at by your own fans. That's right, Aston Villa, which failed to take advantage of the momentum to lead the standings previously, will try again by beating Manchester United first.

Sometimes it doesn't make sense to think that a team as big as Man United could go down like this and even after years it was difficult for them to get back up after changing coaches. At this point, I think it's clear to see that the habit of many clubs trying to immediately improve a club within three or four transfer windows is not working. If this doesn't work then Man United does need a deep rebuild. The performance of Rashford and Bruno may be Man United's best players, but they are the fundamental reasons why a team as big as Man United has not been able to play their best game.

So the things that need to change at Man United might start with changing the culture. SAF does what he wants, he doesn't care what the board or the media thinks, he doesn't care what the players think, he especially doesn't care what the supporters think, he knows what he is doing is right and continues do it. . He chose his team, not anyone else, and he made the fans happy with the win. There are too many egos around Man United, they only need one, and that's the manager. Erik Ten Hag must start changing himself first and then the players, this is what he must do now to make deep changes. Man United should get up, and maybe this should start from the next match against Aston Villa, they have to take this moment to get up because Aston Villa is also in a good trend.

[EL MOHA]

Chelsea's dilemma is still on as they lost their last 3 games out of 4 and having 10th spot after spending huge amount on quality players which are fail to give their best after having spot into Chelsea is surely wired situation for the management and fans as well but here we have no quick solution now it's time for them to give more chance to Pochettino which is capable of bringing positive changes and have enough experience to do things without any doubt.

I wouldn’t call Chelsea players quality players but rather talents with potentials because most of them haven’t proved their best in the top league before. Almost all of them are young players which is not bad to start a rebuild with but the problem is Chelsea as a club at ambitious to either be at the top or be contending for the tittle which sincerely is a task too much for this young and new squad that haven’t played together before. My opinion is Chelsea should forget about winning any important trophies for now and focus on the rebuilding of the squad with that less pressure Chelsea could play better and starts been consistent. Then after two years we can start accessing the team to see maybe it is that young squad or the coach.

I don't think Aston Villa will win the league, in fact I don't even think they'll qualify for the champions league because I don't think they'll be able to keep up this form and compete with the other teams till the end. These teams are in good form this season, but so far they've been very impressive and that should be applauded.

I also don’t think they will win either because they are not yet ready but are on track with the current performances, qualifying for champions league? I will give them same chance as to what I will give Tottenham because I feel they are on par with each other. Last season Newcastle did it and that can still happen

[Stable090]

Poor performance after wasting a lot of money for Chelsea at the moment and a change of coach which has no effect at all on Chelsea game Of course it deserves to be evaluation by management

I thought Chelsea would be a very tough club this season. After Pochettino sold lots of players and bought new players in the last transfer period, most of us thought he made the best decision by doing that, but after getting a fresh squad, there is still no difference in Chelsea's performance. Chelsea really spent much money in the last transfer period, and even clubs that didn’t spend much money are really performing better than Chelsea, spending huge amounts of money, but you are still in 10th position, and they might still end up dropping more in position. Seriously, I can’t really tell what Chelsea problem is currently, maybe the new players Pochettino signed don’t really have much experience yet, or maybe they are not also ready to play for the club as well.

why does Chelsea  management continue to retain Pochettino after it has been proven that he is unable to improve Chelsea performance?

Even though Pochettino's performance is still kind of poor, that doesn’t mean they should just sack him, he should be given more time. I don’t think sacking Pochettino is going to solve the current Chelsea problem. We all saw how Chelsea sacked multiple coaches last season, but it couldn’t solve their problem, so Pochettino should be given more time to see if he can still make improvements in Chelsea's current performance.

I think with Chelsea current poor performance and also the large amount of money that has been spent on players

They spent big amounts of money on players that are not really worth it, most of the money they spent on the players they signed are just too much for them.

[$crypto$]

Poor performance after wasting a lot of money for Chelsea at the moment and a change of coach which has no effect at all on Chelsea game Of course it deserves to be evaluation by management

I thought Chelsea would be a very tough club this season. After Pochettino sold lots of players and bought new players in the last transfer period, most of us thought he made the best decision by doing that, but after getting a fresh squad, there is still no difference in Chelsea's performance. Chelsea really spent much money in the last transfer period, and even clubs that didn’t spend much money are really performing better than Chelsea, spending huge amounts of money, but you are still in 10th position, and they might still end up dropping more in position. Seriously, I can’t really tell what Chelsea problem is currently, maybe the new players Pochettino signed don’t really have much experience yet, or maybe they are not also ready to play for the club as well.

Things like this will only be expectations because indeed with a massive overhaul where a lot of players were sold by Pochettino and not a few players who entered in the end made Chelsea a new club with very bad chemistry.
Indeed in every match they have very good ball possession because of the individual skills of the players who are above the average player but when their chemistry is bad I think expecting them to perform well quickly is a mistake and indeed it is proven now.

But indeed for this season Chelsea's hope is not to return quickly but to try to balance a performance that is erratic and so far even though there are some good results they get but I think this is far from perfect for Chelsea.

why does Chelsea  management continue to retain Pochettino after it has been proven that he is unable to improve Chelsea performance?

Even though Pochettino's performance is still kind of poor, that doesn’t mean they should just sack him, he should be given more time. I don’t think sacking Pochettino is going to solve the current Chelsea problem. We all saw how Chelsea sacked multiple coaches last season, but it couldn’t solve their problem, so Pochettino should be given more time to see if he can still make improvements in Chelsea's current performance.

Firing the coach again is not the right answer for now because we can also see that during the Todd Era there have been 4 coaches who have come and gone in turn starting with Tuchel's departure and being replaced by Potter and then Lampard who in the end did not have a big impact so Pochettino appears now and when they want to replace again, of course the situation will not be much different because the most important thing about a club is not instant results with a quick change but the adaptation process and until now Pochettino can actually still change Chelsea's condition if he is wise enough in addressing several schemes and not always making new plans in every match that is carried out.

[lalabotax]

I thought Chelsea would be a very tough club this season. After Pochettino sold lots of players and bought new players in the last transfer period, most of us thought he made the best decision by doing that, but after getting a fresh squad, there is still no difference in Chelsea's performance. Chelsea really spent much money in the last transfer period, and even clubs that didn’t spend much money are really performing better than Chelsea, spending huge amounts of money, but you are still in 10th position, and they might still end up dropping more in position.

The problems faced by Chelsea are quite complicated. However, if you think about it, is it because Pochettino is unable to manage the players and provide good tactics that suit them, so that their strength conditions and their matches are really inconsistent and solid. I thought at first it was because they didn't have much money, but they spent a lot of money last season and still failed. So does Chelsea really need a new coach, so they can overhaul the squad optimally? Maybe it's not this simple, because after all, the problem is quite complex.

Man City also experienced quite a bad drop this season. After competing without some of their key players, this has had a significant impact so far. They are getting lower and lower and are currently only in 5th place. Yes, even though they still have 1 match left. However, it cannot be denied that their performance has clearly dropped.

[tiCeR]

That is way too far into the future for Manchester United. If they ever want to take action to not waste the whole season and have enough time to correct a few things, the time has now come. If they wait until they have certainty that the season will end catastrophically, what convincing arguments do they have for a new and renowned coach to go to Manchester United? They will again be confronted with the problem that they can find some mediocre guy who is willing to train a team that didn't qualify for the Europa League or the Champions League. If they want to save something, then give it a shot now and not in 5 months from now.

When Erik Ten Hag failed to bring MU to the champions league or to the UEL competition, I thought he could refocus on improving MU's performance in the premier league to prove that there was improvement and could make the fans still have hope for this club, but the fact was that yesterday against West Ham unable to hold a draw or beat their opponents and MU had to lose points again and with these few matches fans around the world are a little less confident in Erik Ten Hag but for some reason the management is still keeping him while Erik Ten Hag has failed in several seasons and this season has been really bad.
I really understand that perhaps replacing the coach may not necessarily be able to improve Manchester United, but if you don't try, how can you find out about this and in fact, at that time, I hoped that when the transfer market reopened, MU should be able to bring in quality players but also by bringing in a new coach to fix this ugliness and I am really sure that the source of this problem comes from Erik Ten Hag.

There is something funny about your idea that at Manchester United they just say "hey ten Hag, now that you messed up the Europa League and the Champions League, focus on the Premier League". Does that mean if he now messes up the Premier League as well that they will tell him to instead focus on the FA Cup only?

The problem they have is the way how things are in shambles. If you get only 4 points in a Champions League group with Copenhagen and Galatasaray, you know what that means. It's ok if a team loses against Bayern Munich although 1 point could be possible in a home game, but winning 4 points in 4 games against these two other teams is a shame for Manchester United.

And now they are  so lethargically that I ask myself every single time what is going on with those players? Do they have a freaking flue or are they on drugs? A new coach could try new things to bring them onto a good mental level, a level where the willingness to perform comes back.

[kawetsriyanto]

I do not agree, yes Darwin Nunez is struggling to adapt to the english premier league but he is not Hojlund. Darwin Nunez has scored goals, assissted and offered better performances to the Liverpool team while Hojlund struggles to make 20 passes each game. so far its a bad signing for both clubs, but Darwin Nunez is far better

Of course Darwin Nunez isn't Hojlund.  
However, the condition of both players aren't so different. They are struggling to play with their best level. Although Darwin Nunez have scored some goals and contributed some assists, people expect more from his performance. Darwin Nunez is projected to be the machine goal of Liverpool besides Salah, it makes sense because Darwin Nunez is a striker (center forward). It is the same as Hojlund, he is expected to be the machine goal of Man United. But he failed to show positive performance in his first season in Man United. I think we can't blame him, it may be caused by the bad performance of the whole players in Man United, too. By the way, we must remember that Darwin Nunez also failed to play in his best form in the first season joining Liverpool.

[JoyMarsha]

Poor performance after wasting a lot of money for Chelsea at the moment and a change of coach which has no effect at all on Chelsea game Of course it deserves to be evaluation by management , being in 10th place in the standings from 18 matches is not something that Chelsea fans are expecting at this time and I think it's time for fans to start speaking to Chelsea management, the current question is, why does Chelsea  management continue to retain Pochettino after it has been proven that he is unable to improve Chelsea performance? , I think with Chelsea current poor performance and also the large amount of money that has been spent on players, I dare I guarantee that if Chelsea still belonged to Abramovich, of course Pochettino would immediately be kicked out of Stamford Bridge, but strangely the current owner of Chelsea still quite believes in Pochettino.

What destroys the Chelsea team is the change of owners.  After the change of ownership and the sack of Tuchel occurred, the Chelsea team hasn't found themselves as strong as they used to after all the money spent on signing new players and changing coaches. A bad season for Chelsea.
Calling out for Pochettino's sack is what Chelsea management and fans would want to see happening in Chelsea soon because it's like they are building the Chelsea team from scratch with a new set of players in the team. It would take a little bit of time to assemble them all in their best position. That's what Chelsea management is giving Pochettino time to do. Let's not forget that some of the key players of Chelsea haven't recovered from injuries.

[Abu-Naim]

What destroys the Chelsea team is the change of owners.  After the change of ownership and the sack of Tuchel occurred, the Chelsea team hasn't found themselves as strong as they used to after all the money spent on signing new players and changing coaches. A bad season for Chelsea.

You are right. Change of management affected Chelsea team entirely, because the new management come with the ambition of changing so many things in the team including some players in order to bring expensive players to the team thinking it will make the team a great team by doing that. Sacking Tuchel was a wrong decision in my opinion because he help Chelsea win their second Champions League in his first two seasons; therefore, just because of unbalance poor performance in just one season he was sacked which has really affected the team performance till date.

Calling out for Pochettino's sack is what Chelsea management and fans would want to see happening in Chelsea soon because it's like they are building the Chelsea team from scratch with a new set of players in the team. It would take a little bit of time to assemble them all in their best position. That's what Chelsea management is giving Pochettino time to do. Let's not forget that some of the key players of Chelsea haven't recovered from injuries.

Sacking Pochettino will not be the best option for Chelsea because he is a good coach, this poor performance is what he inherited from the past management which is is trying to solve. I think Pochettino need some time to adapt and rearrange the team in his own pattern of football.

[TastyChillySauce00]

Poor performance after wasting a lot of money for Chelsea at the moment and a change of coach which has no effect at all on Chelsea game Of course it deserves to be evaluation by management , being in 10th place in the standings from 18 matches is not something that Chelsea fans are expecting at this time and I think it's time for fans to start speaking to Chelsea management, the current question is, why does Chelsea  management continue to retain Pochettino after it has been proven that he is unable to improve Chelsea performance? , I think with Chelsea current poor performance and also the large amount of money that has been spent on players, I dare I guarantee that if Chelsea still belonged to Abramovich, of course Pochettino would immediately be kicked out of Stamford Bridge, but strangely the current owner of Chelsea still quite believes in Pochettino.

What destroys the Chelsea team is the change of owners.  After the change of ownership and the sack of Tuchel occurred, the Chelsea team hasn't found themselves as strong as they used to after all the money spent on signing new players and changing coaches. A bad season for Chelsea.
Calling out for Pochettino's sack is what Chelsea management and fans would want to see happening in Chelsea soon because it's like they are building the Chelsea team from scratch with a new set of players in the team. It would take a little bit of time to assemble them all in their best position. That's what Chelsea management is giving Pochettino time to do. Let's not forget that some of the key players of Chelsea haven't recovered from injuries.

So true, the new owner is very incompetent to determine which coach or even players that needs to be recruited or not. Todd boehly and beghdad have zero knowledge in the football and they are running this business based on their feeling without any experiences and this is the worst thing that happened in the chelsea. It took time for them to understand that if footbal was not as simple as that. There have been so many particular aspects that needs to be known first. Chelsea doesn't have good players at this moment.
Reece james is the only one who may be superior compared to the other player but he will absence for long time due to the his injury. In fact, injury was also forcing some players to take rest. The available players are not good enough to face the harsh reality if chelsea performs so badly.
Look at the line up used against wolves and it has proven that pochettino is also having some mistkae here. Pochettino is trying so hard to build the club but i don't understand what his consideration before try to put players into the line up to start the game.

[Stepstowealth]

Sacking Pochettino will not be the best option for Chelsea because he is a good coach, this poor performance is what he inherited from the past management which is is trying to solve. I think Pochettino need some time to adapt and rearrange the team in his own pattern of football.

Chelsea showed signs of improvement this season that they did last season so the management of Chelsea will give the coach a lot of time to fix the team. I think Pochettino will be given till next season before it will be decided based on the performance of the team, either to keep him or find a replacement. Some coaches do not have instant impact on a team, some of them take their time to settle in. I still see the Chelsea coach as still settling in.

[TopT3ns]

Chelsea showed signs of improvement this season that they did last season so the management of Chelsea will give the coach a lot of time to fix the team. I think Pochettino will be given till next season before it will be decided based on the performance of the team, either to keep him or find a replacement. Some coaches do not have instant impact on a team, some of them take their time to settle in. I still see the Chelsea coach as still settling in.

But unfortunately, I still don't see any signs of that. Chelsea, in their latest match, still lost. Even though the opponent they faced was a team that should be easy to beat, Chelsea may have to replace a new coach to get a strategy that suits the players they have, the coach who currently doesn't seem to get much attention from the players.

[temple]

Chelsea showed signs of improvement this season that they did last season so the management of Chelsea will give the coach a lot of time to fix the team. I think Pochettino will be given till next season before it will be decided based on the performance of the team, either to keep him or find a replacement. Some coaches do not have instant impact on a team, some of them take their time to settle in. I still see the Chelsea coach as still settling in.

But unfortunately, I still don't see any signs of that. Chelsea, in their latest match, still lost. Even though the opponent they faced was a team that should be easy to beat, Chelsea may have to replace a new coach to get a strategy that suits the players they have, the coach who currently doesn't seem to get much attention from the players.

It will be a long and hard way for them to get back the respect from their opponents that Chelsea is the boss in the arena. Watching the games you can see that even the little teams know from the first moment in the game that there is something to be won. If it is not all three points, then there is certainly a chance to win one point. It's still unbelievable when you see the line-up the moment before the game starts and you read all these names of the Chelsea squad and yet you know that they are a weak team for some unknown reason.

[makishart]

Sacking Pochettino will not be the best option for Chelsea because he is a good coach, this poor performance is what he inherited from the past management which is is trying to solve. I think Pochettino need some time to adapt and rearrange the team in his own pattern of football.

Chelsea showed signs of improvement this season that they did last season so the management of Chelsea will give the coach a lot of time to fix the team. I think Pochettino will be given till next season before it will be decided based on the performance of the team, either to keep him or find a replacement. Some coaches do not have instant impact on a team, some of them take their time to settle in. I still see the Chelsea coach as still settling in.

A small improvement but this club is still running in the same place without even making significant improvement. Chelsea is changing a lot compared to the before todd was acquiring the club. This club becomes even more inconsistent and the owner is always wrong in the decision making. People are also feeling so tired to watch this club caused by there was no consistency owning by chelsea. The club keeps suffer another major lose. this is another disaster for chelsea.
I don't think that this problem can be sorted out easily caused by the owner has no experience to be a good coach for the football club. Chelsea will still at the bottom along with manchester united which is performing so badly this season.
It's just matter of time till these clubs are battling for the relegation zone. Im not expecting chelsea to perform even better. Todd boehley needs to understand that if he is managing the club in the wrong way.
He shall stop do for another intervention to the club. let the coach try to complete his job as a coach. Pochettino is also very often making the same mistake and this is very boring to see that pochettino was always using wrong starting line up.

[udidrone]

What destroys the Chelsea team is the change of owners.  After the change of ownership and the sack of Tuchel occurred, the Chelsea team hasn't found themselves as strong as they used to after all the money spent on signing new players and changing coaches. A bad season for Chelsea.
Calling out for Pochettino's sack is what Chelsea management and fans would want to see happening in Chelsea soon because it's like they are building the Chelsea team from scratch with a new set of players in the team. It would take a little bit of time to assemble them all in their best position. That's what Chelsea management is giving Pochettino time to do. Let's not forget that some of the key players of Chelsea haven't recovered from injuries.

I think so Chelsea owners will give Pochettino the opportunity at least until the end of the season or even one more season they know building a young squad is not easy it takes more time to adapt it's just that we don't know when the time will come and one thing we have to understand is when this squad succeeds in building chemistry then this squad will be very dangerous for any team. Oh yes I just checked the Chelsea players who are on the injury list it is true that 7 Chelsea players are injured most of the injured are defenders and midfielder so this is the reason why Chelsea's defense is so bad. For the next 2-3 matches, it seems that Chelsea is not yet safe there is no other way Pochettino has to wait for his players to recover.

[SeriouslyGiveaway]

I've been watching Liver's matches this season, even though I'm not a fan, the feeling of watching them play is very exciting, the level of drama in each match, and what I always feel is that Liver is real. will destroy any team in the final minutes of the match to get 3 points. It seems like their style of approaching matches is gradually changing, no longer retaining the philosophy of total dominance but instead applying pressure when they are really forced into difficult situations, the results of matches. Recently, they have all shown high professional quality, and this season I really believe they deserve to be strong candidates for the championship title.

Liverpool's squad this season has experienced a notable decline compared to the previous one, yet they remain a well-organized team under the adept leadership of Klopp. What sets them apart from Manchester City at the current moment is their ability to seal the deal in matches. While Manchester City might play well for 3/4 of a game, in just a few minutes towards the end, they could concede an equalizer or even lose, but Liverpool tends to do the opposite.

Another team to be weary of is Manchester city, although they currently have a weak form I doubt if they will continue like that, obviously they will want to get back on their feet soonest because the UCL draws are out and in January they have got a UCL fixture to face and premier league fixtures aswell so they have to be in their best form to be able to scale through all this fixtures and I trust Manchester city to cut every slack once they get back on their feet again and arsenal will have to make sure what happened last season doesn't repeat because there are chances it's very likely to happen this season again.

Manchester City is grappling with issues in both playing style and personnel, but I don't think it's too alarming. Especially with the imminent return of Kevin De Bruyne, the midfield concerns should be alleviated to some extent. The critical need for improvement lies in the defensive line, but that's not something too challenging for Pep Guardiola. Additionally, the new signings in the upcoming January transfer window will be a vital addition, addressing the pressing need for enhancement in their current situation.

[Bobrox]

You are right. Change of management affected Chelsea team entirely, because the new management come with the ambition of changing so many things in the team including some players in order to bring expensive players to the team thinking it will make the team a great team by doing that. Sacking Tuchel was a wrong decision in my opinion because he help Chelsea win their second Champions League in his first two seasons; therefore, just because of unbalance poor performance in just one season he was sacked which has really affected the team performance till date.

I think not only with change management but also Chelsea made many change with players transfer without keep experienced players, most of current squad filled by new players less experienced with Premier League and Pochettino need time for building teams working. Many mistake made by Chelsea before sacking Thomas Tuchel until they build squad with youth players who less experience and need guide from senior player.
Opportunity for Chelsea get Champion League spot standings or finish on top fourth position is most important target and I think management need to recruit some senior and experience player for completing current composition keep balance between youth and senior players. Unbelievable with Chelsea current standings in Premier League regarding with how much money spending every season for signing top and most expensive players but can't reach top fourth position.

[JariKriting]

Poor performance after wasting a lot of money for Chelsea at the moment and a change of coach which has no effect at all on Chelsea game Of course it deserves to be evaluation by management , being in 10th place in the standings from 18 matches is not something that Chelsea fans are expecting at this time and I think it's time for fans to start speaking to Chelsea management, the current question is, why does Chelsea  management continue to retain Pochettino after it has been proven that he is unable to improve Chelsea performance? , I think with Chelsea current poor performance and also the large amount of money that has been spent on players, I dare I guarantee that if Chelsea still belonged to Abramovich, of course Pochettino would immediately be kicked out of Stamford Bridge, but strangely the current owner of Chelsea still quite believes in Pochettino.

Pochetino is on an expensive contract, there hasn't been a year of work yet.
The same thing with potter the coach before pochetino. before at chelsea potter his performance was outstanding with brighton, at chelsea given a large transfer budget could not build a team properly.
That's the difference between managing a big team and a small team, in a big team the pressure of achievement, every skewed result will always be protested and berated by supporters and fans. the same as you complain about why Pochetino was not fired.
Even though Pochetino's time at Hotspur or at PSG his achievements were not disappointing even though at Hotspur he had never given a title.