ESports betting -CS:GO, DOTA 2, LOL, Valorant - discussion thread

[rdbase]

The Grand Finals in the Land Down Under is just about to start in the next hour!

Complexity vs FaZe Clan - IEM Sydney 2023 - Grand Final
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8BvBoSFAQo

Since Complexity has not been in a finals like this with the new roster they came in with I will side with Faze Clan for winning the whole tournament.
Solely because they have been a solid team for a while now and have had experience being in this situation already many times before.

[STT]

The timing of this contest far away doesnt favor my schedule and also importantly I think being down under is an upset condition for all the teams, add in CS2 throwing all pro players off their years of experience and I hand it to Complexity for being able to innovate & overcome.
  Also Col is the only team to have a player originally based in the southern hemisphere who coincidentally is top fragging vs the world champs, he likes the weather apparently.    At least should be 3 maps.

[rdbase]

The timing of this contest far away doesnt favor my schedule and also importantly I think being down under is an upset condition for all the teams, add in CS2 throwing all pro players off their years of experience and I hand it to Complexity for being able to innovate & overcome.
Also Col is the only team to have a player originally based in the southern hemisphere who coincidentally is top fragging vs the world champs, he likes the weather apparently.    At least should be 3 maps.

Your wish had been granted!
Complexity won their map pick and Faze just won theirs. So it comes down to the decider for the champions to take their throne of this tourney for the premier major taking place on Source 2 ever!

I remember seeing something with S1mple from Navi complaining about having to travel to Washington D.C then to Stockholm or somewhere in Europe for a tournament after the Blast Premier.
So the travelling schedule does take a total on even these professional ESports players.
Which player on Complexity are you referring too?

[passwordnow]

And reconsider the moment at 58 min 23 sec. where the Miposhka on Tusk saves Muerta. This moment blows my mind, it's why they won the game.

Aside from these plays from Miposhka, I am now more a fan of his. But first I feel bad for him when people have been bashing him for posting his pictures on social media which he's captioned like he's drugged or what. And with the video, I saw just after their match, he went to the fans and allowed them to have selfies with him, what a nice guy and this is why they deserve whatever they're achieving and what they've achieved in the past. And with the recent match, Shopify Rebellion is out while TSM moves to the next round and will face nouns. I guess that we might see some change in the roster since this team that's considered a powerhouse of NA is no longer the same as before. Our boy Arturo what you have been doing all of these times, he seems to be the center of blame of the lost bettors that bet on them.

Is Arteezy out of his prime or do really love on always choke? I would be not surprised if ever there would really be that disband of Shopify after this TI. They had been dropped and tons of bettors did
really blame out with that Willow carry which its a complete failure which the carry willow that we have seen on LGD is something that other players tending to micmic out. One of those players is Pakazs
which making use of this Willow carry which is good but still had lost up against GG recently.

Game clutch moves could really save up and the reason on winning the game.Its not really that new anymore but its good and thrilling to see whenever it do happens.
This is what we are really that expecting to see on internatationals.

He shouldn't use that if he's not practiced yet. Chinese playstyle is different from his and his teammates and perfecting it will take time. And with what he has said before, he may just go and retire without taking the aegis. That's it, that's the harsh truth that he and his team just can't beat those teams that are on their team. It's likely that he is past his prime already but no doubt that being an individual skilled player, it's on him. But this is a team play game and every move that a carry and each other player does counts. Also the rival of Quinn and Ramzes is also done, Gaimin Gladiators won against 9pandas in a 2-straight games. In short, nouns will be playing against GG. Right now, I'm waiting for the game to commence with Keyd Stars and Betboom. So, this is likely a game for Betboom or if keydstars win, whoever wins will proceed against Talon Esports.

[ralle14]

The playoffs weekend just finished and i'm surprised VP somehow made it top 8 over Entity. I'm still wondering what happened to Tundra after the groups, from only dropping one map to suddenly getting eliminated after dropping the next two crucial series.

In the upcoming finals weekend, BB might have the best chance to reach the top 4 if there won't be any upset because they could be facing AR, and during the group stage, they already won 2-0 against them.

[passwordnow]

The playoffs weekend just finished and i'm surprised VP somehow made it top 8 over Entity. I'm still wondering what happened to Tundra after the groups, from only dropping one map to suddenly getting eliminated after dropping the next two crucial series.

After beating Tundra 2-0, Entity was beaten easily by VP 2-0 as well. I think one reason is that possibly they're already dried up with these straight games while VP is on the right mind condition. Despite that, they've taken a long hour of rest and the waiting for their match to come have taken for so long. Anyway, they probably that they were just exhausted and still they had a good run coming from the qualifiers up to ending with a 9th-12th place run.

In the upcoming finals weekend, BB might have the best chance to reach the top 4 if there won't be any upset because they could be facing AR, and during the group stage, they already won 2-0 against them.

It will bet BetBoom and Virtus Pro and I think that BetBoom is better than them and they know more counters and gameplays against VP.  On the lower bracket, it's gonna be Gaimin Gladiators and BetBoom that I am thinking of but there are still other 2 teams coming down on it from the top bracket.

[Oilacris]

The playoffs weekend just finished and i'm surprised VP somehow made it top 8 over Entity. I'm still wondering what happened to Tundra after the groups, from only dropping one map to suddenly getting eliminated after dropping the next two crucial series.

In the upcoming finals weekend, BB might have the best chance to reach the top 4 if there won't be any upset because they could be facing AR, and during the group stage, they already won 2-0 against them.

Surprisingly on later interview to Sneyking about the team tundra, He had mentioned about having on Topson on the team which it is a bit late of making adjustments? No, its not really a valid
reason but i do still respect with those words that with those recent patches and game changes which it did really affect out their performance but in general then its not a solid
reason for you to tell considering that all teams are experiencing  the same.It is really just that this current TI isnt really that for them despite of being those champions in the past.
Im that really rooting for Entity but they had been dropped on the tournament beaten up by VP. I dont see for it to be that exhaustion kind of reason because once you do
join up with these tournament then you should really be preparing yourself a long series of games or back to back. Its not a valid reason on which you would really be
saying about having that being tired.

[sompitonov]

The playoffs weekend just finished and i'm surprised VP somehow made it top 8 over Entity. I'm still wondering what happened to Tundra after the groups, from only dropping one map to suddenly getting eliminated after dropping the next two crucial series.

In the upcoming finals weekend, BB might have the best chance to reach the top 4 if there won't be any upset because they could be facing AR, and during the group stage, they already won 2-0 against them.

Yes, I have the opinion that VP gain strength as the tournament progresses, this is very dangerous for their opponents. I even dare to compare them with Spirit at TI10, from whom everyone expected to be eliminated in the losers bracket at every game, but this didn't happen. VP are strong, I get more pleasure from watching their games than from other teams. I'll get busy rewatching these matches during these long break days. I still can’t get used to these breaks of several days.

As for Tundra and Topson in the second game with Zeus, it was terrible. Let me remind that many thought that they would win TI12, but this didn't happen. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more changes in the team. Although, in principle, this happens after every TI.

[ralle14]

It will bet BetBoom and Virtus Pro and I think that BetBoom is better than them and they know more counters and gameplays against VP.  On the lower bracket, it's gonna be Gaimin Gladiators and BetBoom that I am thinking of but there are still other 2 teams coming down on it from the top bracket.

Those two should advance if they can still perform at the same level but the next round becomes impossible for GG when they could be facing Team Spirit or Team Liquid, depending on who loses that upper bracket series.

As for Tundra and Topson in the second game with Zeus, it was terrible. Let me remind that many thought that they would win TI12, but this didn't happen. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more changes in the team. Although, in principle, this happens after every TI.

Tundra will probably roll back with their original squad since Topson is only filling in for TI and Saksa can still return with the team if he can recover before the next tournament starts.

Surprisingly on later interview to Sneyking about the team tundra, He had mentioned about having on Topson on the team which it is a bit late of making adjustments? No, its not really a valid
reason but i do still respect with those words that with those recent patches and game changes which it did really affect out their performance but in general then its not a solid
reason for you to tell considering that all teams are experiencing  the same.

It's reasonable enough when Topson has a different hero pool than most mid players and maybe Nouns made them adjust too much than they should.

[passwordnow]

It will bet BetBoom and Virtus Pro and I think that BetBoom is better than them and they know more counters and gameplays against VP.  On the lower bracket, it's gonna be Gaimin Gladiators and BetBoom that I am thinking of but there are still other 2 teams coming down on it from the top bracket.

Those two should advance if they can still perform at the same level but the next round becomes impossible for GG when they could be facing Team Spirit or Team Liquid, depending on who loses that upper bracket series.

Looking at the top match-up for Team Spirit and Team Liquid, I'm eyeing Team Spirit on this one. Both have been so good during all of the run on this TI but if we talk about consistency, it's always been Team Spirit no doubt. But what I like about Team Liquid is they always surprise us with something new. Whoever makes these strategies, either the captain or the coach or analyst or anyone from their team has a huge set of mind because of these new set of strategies that they make like the IO + WD combo.

However, every match on these remaining teams are still unpredictable. I think that most of the teams that are said to be bonus rounds were already eliminated. I'm not belittling those but the remaining teams have proven that they're better than the rest, of course the eliminated ones. And with that saying, it could be anyone from the upper bracket that has a chance but the chance is slimmer at the lower bracket and there's still GG but nouns was also good at their run. Not mentioning the two Chinese teams, who knows if they'll even the ones to face each other in the finals.

[rohang]

Finally 'The international' will start on friday with the grand finals on sunday



Looking at the bracket its gonna be EU vs EU and  china vs china in the upper bracket playoffs,
Chinese teams were not the favorites coming into this year as they usually are , its gonna be very tough to beat spirit but i think it will be LGD vs azure ray in the finals, giving china TI aegis back after some years 

[xLays]

Finally 'The international' will start on friday with the grand finals on sunday
Looking at the bracket its gonna be EU vs EU and  china vs china in the upper bracket playoffs,
Chinese teams were not the favorites coming into this year as they usually are , its gonna be very tough to beat spirit but i think it will be LGD vs azure ray in the finals, giving china TI aegis back after some years 

Here's my prediction for the The International Upper Bracket Team Spirit vs Team Liquid (1-2 Team Liquid winner) LGD Gaming vs Azure Ray (0-2 Azure Ray winner).
For lower bracket nouns vs  Gaimin Gladiators (1-2 Gaimin Gladiators Winner) BetBoom Team vs Virtus.pro (2-0 BetBoom Team Winner). Maybe this time, the CHINA team will win The International, as the prize is lower than in previous years. I'm hoping for Azure Ray to win this tournament!

[sompitonov]

As for Tundra and Topson in the second game with Zeus, it was terrible. Let me remind that many thought that they would win TI12, but this didn't happen. I wouldn’t be surprised if there are more changes in the team. Although, in principle, this happens after every TI.

Tundra will probably roll back with their original squad since Topson is only filling in for TI and Saksa can still return with the team if he can recover before the next tournament starts.

I would like this to happen in the future, but I am afraid that Saksa may not recover, or if he returns, his illness may manifest itself again at any moment. Topson probably just doesn't feel the team game 100%, he needed more time playing in the team to fit in completely. This is still the highest level of play and such small things are felt. In any case, I think that Tundra will be fine.

Here's my prediction for the The International Upper Bracket Team Spirit vs Team Liquid (1-2 Team Liquid winner) LGD Gaming vs Azure Ray (0-2 Azure Ray winner).
For lower bracket nouns vs  Gaimin Gladiators (1-2 Gaimin Gladiators Winner) BetBoom Team vs Virtus.pro (2-0 BetBoom Team Winner). Maybe this time, the CHINA team will win The International, as the prize is lower than in previous years. I'm hoping for Azure Ray to win this tournament!

Out of 12 matches in the playoffs, we saw the score 2-1 only 2 times. I think it will be 2-0 in all future games you mentioned. Games with a score of 2-1 definitely make me happy because they are the most entertaining.

[ralle14]

Chinese teams were not the favorites coming into this year as they usually are , its gonna be very tough to beat spirit but i think it will be LGD vs azure ray in the finals, giving china TI aegis back after some years 

I would've agreed with you if both Chinese teams were still at their peak. At the moment, I have higher hopes with the other two teams that'll duke it out for the first UB final spot, so i'm leaning on a Spirit vs. Liquid finals.  

Looking at the top match-up for Team Spirit and Team Liquid, I'm eyeing Team Spirit on this one. Both have been so good during all of the run on this TI but if we talk about consistency, it's always been Team Spirit no doubt. But what I like about Team Liquid is they always surprise us with something new. Whoever makes these strategies, either the captain or the coach or analyst or anyone from their team has a huge set of mind because of these new set of strategies that they make like the IO + WD combo.

I'm also expecting Team Spirit to knock Team Liquid, and I might take them to win outright at 2.70 because if they can survive against Team Liquid, it might be smooth sailing for them to the grand finals.

[boltz]

At this point , I think VP are the real dark horses of the tournament and I won't be surprised if they will somehow manage to find a way to eliminate BetBoom from TI , however , BetBoom is the type of team that accumulates more confidence with each game they play and that's why I do have BetBoom to actually reach TI finals this year but until then , VP will prove to be a hard team to knock off.

I also believe that Liquid has the best Dota 2 strategy right now and it was about time because last major and last DreamLeague season they simply had no motive to actually play Dota 2 on a high level but we forget that they had full 3 months to prepare for this with all their 6 coach drafters ( yes Liquid has a lot of coach drafters in their team behind the scenes ) and we can see right now that they been practicing a lot for this TI so that's why I'm leaning towars Liquid to actually win TI.

[rohang]

BIG BIG News coming out today from csgo/cs2 esports 

1) S1mple has announced he will take a leave from competitive play and focus on personal life, who would seen this coming ??

https://www.hltv.org/news/37341/s1mple-takes-break-from-competition-considers-role-switch

2) Just months after the super team Cloud9 was made, after not being able to win anything, sh1ro has announced he is stepping down from the active roster, which team will he go to ??

https://www.hltv.org/news/37340/sh1ro-steps-down-from-cloud9

[rdbase]

BIG BIG News coming out today from csgo/cs2 esports
1) S1mple has announced he will take a leave from competitive play and focus on personal life, who would seen this coming ??
https://www.hltv.org/news/37341/s1mple-takes-break-from-competition-considers-role-switch

There were some mention from S1mple about a week ago regarding why he was absent for IEM in Sydney and many had already put two and two together.
From the following video you can hear his thoughts about how the team is heading with it's players and also arguing about another person as he refers to as kid for his distaste with being part of the team.

SIMPLE GOT SICK OF RUMOURS and ANSWERED IT ALL. SIMPLE WON’T BE WITH NAVI FOR BLAST?! CS2 NEWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbpVHxmVAEA

[ralle14]

BIG BIG News coming out today from csgo/cs2 esports

1) S1mple has announced he will take a leave from competitive play and focus on personal life, who would seen this coming ??

At least it's not permanent and he mentioned that he's willing to play again if there's an opportunity. When Navi wasn't doing well with this new roster, I had a hunch someone would give in, but I wasn't expecting the first player to be simple.

Also, Worlds and TI is back again later today. I couldn't place a bet on the outright markets for TI so I might just roll my Worlds bet if it hits. 

I've got LNG @1.5 to win against KT Rolster for the qualifying match since there's no good reason to bet on DK vs GAM series when the odds are close to 1.1 or less.

[Latviand]

Anyone got their picks this Saturday for the International 2023? Team Spirit vs Team Liquid, I feel that Team Spirit has a pretty good line up compared to Team Liquid, and I know I haven't been following a lot in the DOTA2 scene so I am flabbergasted by the current Team Liquid's line up, how did they became a European team? And when? Weren't they an NA organization? On the LGD Gaming vs Azure Ray, I would go for Azure Ray basing on their line up, they've been teammates for a long time so I assume their synergy compared to LGD would be the key difference.

[sompitonov]

At this point , I think VP are the real dark horses of the tournament and I won't be surprised if they will somehow manage to find a way to eliminate BetBoom from TI , however , BetBoom is the type of team that accumulates more confidence with each game they play and that's why I do have BetBoom to actually reach TI finals this year but until then , VP will prove to be a hard team to knock off.

I also believe that Liquid has the best Dota 2 strategy right now and it was about time because last major and last DreamLeague season they simply had no motive to actually play Dota 2 on a high level but we forget that they had full 3 months to prepare for this with all their 6 coach drafters ( yes Liquid has a lot of coach drafters in their team behind the scenes ) and we can see right now that they been practicing a lot for this TI so that's why I'm leaning towars Liquid to actually win TI.

BetBoom Team vs Virtus.pro, the most anticipated match for me today. It will be completely unpredictable in my opinion, despite the odds. set by bookmakers. And this takes into account the fact that VP never beat TS, 9P and BB (CIS) this season. Such confrontations make TI12 a real holiday for me!

Liquid vs Team Spirit. Many people think that no one will stop TS, but if they ask me, I will answer that Liquid can do it better than other teams. Drafters decide a lot. For example, 9P had a terrible draft in their last match against GG and lost in 19 minutes! This is the fastest loss on this TI. This was a very costly mistake for them.