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July 02, 2023, 09:28:08 PM
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Of course, it does matter because at 168, Canelo got of belts to defend and while he might be the stronger one, but his win is not guaranteed and that is also the reason why he's definitely thinking twice before giving what Bivol wanted because as per the last discussion they have made, Canelo tried to purse the fight at 175 but Bivol and his team declined.

What I meant is that if Canelo wanted to fight Bivol, he can simply made it whether at 168 or 175 lbs. But the reason why the fight is not happening because Canelo have intentionally low ball Bivol for the money.

Yes that is true, I think Canelo can somehow get Bivol's approval to finally get the rematch done if only Canelo is humble enough to keep his feet into the ground and accept that he is not calling the shots in this fight anymore because it is him who is chasing for the rematch while for Bivol, he can always move-on into the next chapter with or without Canelo.


Bivol is the belt holder and just like what you said he can move forward with or without Canelo, it's his right to bring the demands and not Canelo as he's the one who will need the rematch if he still wanted to regain his name after that lost from Bivol, the chance of this fight to happen might depends from how both sides will negotiate, more on a money talk between them, the more money involve the more chance of making this rematch to happen, just my cent though.

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July 02, 2023, 09:46:29 PM
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Of course, it does matter because at 168, Canelo got of belts to defend and while he might be the stronger one, but his win is not guaranteed and that is also the reason why he's definitely thinking twice before giving what Bivol wanted because as per the last discussion they have made, Canelo tried to purse the fight at 175 but Bivol and his team declined.

What I meant is that if Canelo wanted to fight Bivol, he can simply made it whether at 168 or 175 lbs. But the reason why the fight is not happening because Canelo have intentionally low ball Bivol for the money.

Yes that is true, I think Canelo can somehow get Bivol's approval to finally get the rematch done if only Canelo is humble enough to keep his feet into the ground and accept that he is not calling the shots in this fight anymore because it is him who is chasing for the rematch while for Bivol, he can always move-on into the next chapter with or without Canelo.

It looks like both camp is on waiting mode, feeling each others intention and see who will give in first.  I do not think Bivol will give in fighting Canelo with his belt in line with a small purse allotted to him.  So I guess this is just a waiting game for both camp and see who will be the first one to give in.

First of all, we should not forget that this industry is mainly a business industry and of course, those boxers who can bring a much bigger revenue will always have the favor on their side as they are the ones who keeps the money flowing into their pockets. For Benavidez's situation, I know that it is unfortunate that he wasn't given a chance but for sure though that he knows the reality about this industry and whether he like or not, he got no other choice than waiting for Canelo's approval to have that fight.

That is one of the reason why boxers don't get any chance even though he is really capable.  Due to the promoter wanting to get more money than an exciting fight, excellent boxer with not that much popularity are often get ignored, worse, are getting ducked because these boxers wanted to preserve their prestige and career.
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July 03, 2023, 02:36:59 AM
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Of course, it does matter because at 168, Canelo got of belts to defend and while he might be the stronger one, but his win is not guaranteed and that is also the reason why he's definitely thinking twice before giving what Bivol wanted because as per the last discussion they have made, Canelo tried to purse the fight at 175 but Bivol and his team declined.

What I meant is that if Canelo wanted to fight Bivol, he can simply made it whether at 168 or 175 lbs. But the reason why the fight is not happening because Canelo have intentionally low ball Bivol for the money.

Yes that is true, I think Canelo can somehow get Bivol's approval to finally get the rematch done if only Canelo is humble enough to keep his feet into the ground and accept that he is not calling the shots in this fight anymore because it is him who is chasing for the rematch while for Bivol, he can always move-on into the next chapter with or without Canelo.

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Now he will have only Benavidez to face as a threat in his 3 fight deal with them.

Three fight deal? Wow, that's interesting. Care to share mate? I would love to know more about that deal.

Here it is, Canelo Alvarez’s 3-Fight Deal With PBC Worth $100M+.

So the first one will be Charlo this September 30, we already have a thread about that fight. And if Canelo wins, then it might be David Benavidez next in September 2024. Last one maybe Morrell, but let's see. Maybe we can see a rematch or something.

I do agree that if Canelo somewhat bend and recognized that he lost the first fight with Bivol, at least they should offer a good price for the rematch. But again, it could be their excuse so that he won't fight Bivol either 168 or 175 lbs. And then go to PBC for a 3 fight deal.

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July 03, 2023, 04:09:23 AM
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It is really hard to forget Canelo Alvarez's expressions inside the ring because he just cannot hide how frustrated he was as he cannot really give something good towards Bivol to make the fight in his favor, even the judges tried to help him, but it was just so clear that Bivol is too dominant inside his own division. Canelo probably thought that he can have the belt once again as he managed to defeat Sergey Kovalev few years back in the same division.

It was just beyond his skills to beat that guy and look at them didn't even bother to take a second chance to regain back his honor by asking Bivol for a second fight instead they are cherry-picking opponents nowadays just to be active in boxing for the months to come. If only they choose to fight real contenders no matter how hard it is, they wouldn't have lost the reality of boxing as we saw in the past in the Mike Tyson era, nowadays if the opponent has high more chance of beating them, they don't accept the challenges rather they dodge it by looking for a small fish opponent that is available.

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July 03, 2023, 06:22:22 AM
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It is really hard to forget Canelo Alvarez's expressions inside the ring because he just cannot hide how frustrated he was as he cannot really give something good towards Bivol to make the fight in his favor, even the judges tried to help him, but it was just so clear that Bivol is too dominant inside his own division. Canelo probably thought that he can have the belt once again as he managed to defeat Sergey Kovalev few years back in the same division.

It was just beyond his skills to beat that guy and look at them didn't even bother to take a second chance to regain back his honor by asking Bivol for a second fight instead they are cherry-picking opponents nowadays just to be active in boxing for the months to come. If only they choose to fight real contenders no matter how hard it is, they wouldn't have lost the reality of boxing as we saw in the past in the Mike Tyson era, nowadays if the opponent has high more chance of beating them, they don't accept the challenges rather they dodge it by looking for a small fish opponent that is available.

Canelo has accepted the fact that he cannot beat Bivol, but it seems like he's making excuses by offering an unfavorable revenue sharing for a potential rematch. It's clear that the fight won't happen under those conditions. What Canelo is doing is sticking with a division where he can dominate and likely retire as a champion.

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July 03, 2023, 06:32:34 AM
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That is one of the reason why boxers don't get any chance even though he is really capable.  Due to the promoter wanting to get more money than an exciting fight, excellent boxer with not that much popularity are often get ignored, worse, are getting ducked because these boxers wanted to preserve their prestige and career.
You need to know that boxers also have contracts that pay out quite a lot for each fight, so if they can't take advantage of boxing matches, the promoter will also suffer losses.
Usually the more popular and phenomenal boxers will fight other boxers who are also good enough to attract more people to watch by buying tickets or playing behind the scenes for betting.
Currently, all forms of sports activities have become a business to make money, so do not be surprised if this kind of thing happens a lot.

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July 03, 2023, 02:54:40 PM
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Bivol is the belt holder and just like what you said he can move forward with or without Canelo, it's his right to bring the demands and not Canelo as he's the one who will need the rematch if he still wanted to regain his name after that lost from Bivol, the chance of this fight to happen might depends from how both sides will negotiate, more on a money talk between them, the more money involve the more chance of making this rematch to happen, just my cent though.

For sure he doesn't want a rematch against Canelo Alvarez anymore that solid win against Canelo has proven more than enough that they likely need to fight again, but that fight was back on May 07, 2022, it was a long time ago, but because he is the champion he can demand something before he fights, but for sure Dmitry Bivol surely wants to still be undefeated but likely I think for me I want to see an Artur Beterbiev fight than a Canelo Alvarez fight and that will be more entertaining for most fans and surely that will be a big pay per view for sure,


It looks like both camp is on waiting mode, feeling each others intention and see who will give in first.  I do not think Bivol will give in fighting Canelo with his belt in line with a small purse allotted to him.  So I guess this is just a waiting game for both camp and see who will be the first one to give in.


This might take some time and sure that is why Canelo Alvarez will likely need to fight Jermell Charlo, not Jermall Charlo, for me this is an interesting fight both Charlo surely got a decent record to go toe to toe with Alvarez, but surely because of Jermall Charlo's hand injury that is why his brother will be fighting on his place, for sure Canelo Alvarez will be fighting the Charlo Brothers, on this event, if it went through then we will see  a great fight for sure,

That is one of the reason why boxers don't get any chance even though he is really capable.  Due to the promoter wanting to get more money than an exciting fight, excellent boxer with not that much popularity are often get ignored, worse, are getting ducked because these boxers wanted to preserve their prestige and career.

That is a true bummer and if the promoter wants something then the boxer will like can not do about it, but if the boxer was in control then I think this is a huge pay for the boxer or anything could be possible if the control is with the fighters for me it is good that a boxer has a promoter but if he can surely don't need anything then likely I think it is OK if he can handle it alone,

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July 03, 2023, 06:49:48 PM
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Of course, it does matter because at 168, Canelo got of belts to defend and while he might be the stronger one, but his win is not guaranteed and that is also the reason why he's definitely thinking twice before giving what Bivol wanted because as per the last discussion they have made, Canelo tried to purse the fight at 175 but Bivol and his team declined.

What I meant is that if Canelo wanted to fight Bivol, he can simply made it whether at 168 or 175 lbs. But the reason why the fight is not happening because Canelo have intentionally low ball Bivol for the money.

Yes that is true, I think Canelo can somehow get Bivol's approval to finally get the rematch done if only Canelo is humble enough to keep his feet into the ground and accept that he is not calling the shots in this fight anymore because it is him who is chasing for the rematch while for Bivol, he can always move-on into the next chapter with or without Canelo.


Bivol is the belt holder and just like what you said he can move forward with or without Canelo, it's his right to bring the demands and not Canelo as he's the one who will need the rematch if he still wanted to regain his name after that lost from Bivol, the chance of this fight to happen might depends from how both sides will negotiate, more on a money talk between them, the more money involve the more chance of making this rematch to happen, just my cent though.

But I guess if ever the rematch will happen, the fight will no longer happen in any US soil as Bivol will have the same problems again regarding with his paycheck and will probably prefer in Middle East, Saudi Arabia I'd say.
Talking about that paycheck, I do hope that Bivol already got his rightful share because the earlier this year, it seems that Bivol is still waiting for that.


It is really hard to forget Canelo Alvarez's expressions inside the ring because he just cannot hide how frustrated he was as he cannot really give something good towards Bivol to make the fight in his favor, even the judges tried to help him, but it was just so clear that Bivol is too dominant inside his own division. Canelo probably thought that he can have the belt once again as he managed to defeat Sergey Kovalev few years back in the same division.

It was just beyond his skills to beat that guy and look at them didn't even bother to take a second chance to regain back his honor by asking Bivol for a second fight instead they are cherry-picking opponents nowadays just to be active in boxing for the months to come. If only they choose to fight real contenders no matter how hard it is, they wouldn't have lost the reality of boxing as we saw in the past in the Mike Tyson era, nowadays if the opponent has high more chance of beating them, they don't accept the challenges rather they dodge it by looking for a small fish opponent that is available.

Canelo and his camp tried to make the rematch into reality but Bivol's camp declined especially the latter's manager because with what Canelo is offering, they don't feel that they are on the A-side because the deal offered was still the same when they fought for the first time. Which is not surprising that Bivol's camp declined because Canelo is still acting that they can still make the same deal when in-fact it is them who is chasing the Russian camp nowadays.

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That is one of the reason why boxers don't get any chance even though he is really capable.  Due to the promoter wanting to get more money than an exciting fight, excellent boxer with not that much popularity are often get ignored, worse, are getting ducked because these boxers wanted to preserve their prestige and career.
You need to know that boxers also have contracts that pay out quite a lot for each fight, so if they can't take advantage of boxing matches, the promoter will also suffer losses.
Usually the more popular and phenomenal boxers will fight other boxers who are also good enough to attract more people to watch by buying tickets or playing behind the scenes for betting.
Currently, all forms of sports activities have become a business to make money, so do not be surprised if this kind of thing happens a lot.

Sports is actually a form of business with all the sponsors behind the athletes plus the charges on the tickets and the fee on the right to cover the match. 

Canelo and his camp tried to make the rematch into reality but Bivol's camp declined especially the latter's manager because with what Canelo is offering, they don't feel that they are on the A-side because the deal offered was still the same when they fought for the first time. Which is not surprising that Bivol's camp declined because Canelo is still acting that they can still make the same deal when in-fact it is them who is chasing the Russian camp nowadays.

It is funny how the camp of Canelo did not realized that Bivol has defeated their boxers and that they are the one wanting to prove their boxer so giving Bivol the same deal like the first one will really will not work out the same.  They should have increased the share of Bivol this time because in Bivol's camp, they think that there is nothing for them to prove against Canelo and it is Canelo that is the one wanting the rematch so Bivol's camp think that they should offer a better deal.
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It is really hard to forget Canelo Alvarez's expressions inside the ring because he just cannot hide how frustrated he was as he cannot really give something good towards Bivol to make the fight in his favor, even the judges tried to help him, but it was just so clear that Bivol is too dominant inside his own division. Canelo probably thought that he can have the belt once again as he managed to defeat Sergey Kovalev few years back in the same division.

It was just beyond his skills to beat that guy and look at them didn't even bother to take a second chance to regain back his honor by asking Bivol for a second fight instead they are cherry-picking opponents nowadays just to be active in boxing for the months to come. If only they choose to fight real contenders no matter how hard it is, they wouldn't have lost the reality of boxing as we saw in the past in the Mike Tyson era, nowadays if the opponent has high more chance of beating them, they don't accept the challenges rather they dodge it by looking for a small fish opponent that is available.

Canelo has accepted the fact that he cannot beat Bivol, but it seems like he's making excuses by offering an unfavorable revenue sharing for a potential rematch. It's clear that the fight won't happen under those conditions. What Canelo is doing is sticking with a division where he can dominate and likely retire as a champion.

Canelo doesn't have the fighting skills to beat Bivol and that's a fact my friend. He is just trying to offer rematch only as a publicity stunt to save his lost reputation. I'm quite sure that Bivol is not interested in a rematch, and he wont accept any proposals from Canelo. Canelo also knows that his tries will be useless and Bivol wont go for another contract. I think it should be better for Canelo to fight with someone whom he can win, and after many good wins the guy might get another chance to fight with Bivol.

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It is really hard to forget Canelo Alvarez's expressions inside the ring because he just cannot hide how frustrated he was as he cannot really give something good towards Bivol to make the fight in his favor, even the judges tried to help him, but it was just so clear that Bivol is too dominant inside his own division. Canelo probably thought that he can have the belt once again as he managed to defeat Sergey Kovalev few years back in the same division.

It was just beyond his skills to beat that guy and look at them didn't even bother to take a second chance to regain back his honor by asking Bivol for a second fight instead they are cherry-picking opponents nowadays just to be active in boxing for the months to come. If only they choose to fight real contenders no matter how hard it is, they wouldn't have lost the reality of boxing as we saw in the past in the Mike Tyson era, nowadays if the opponent has high more chance of beating them, they don't accept the challenges rather they dodge it by looking for a small fish opponent that is available.

Canelo has accepted the fact that he cannot beat Bivol, but it seems like he's making excuses by offering an unfavorable revenue sharing for a potential rematch. It's clear that the fight won't happen under those conditions. What Canelo is doing is sticking with a division where he can dominate and likely retire as a champion.

Canelo doesn't have the fighting skills to beat Bivol and that's a fact my friend. He is just trying to offer rematch only as a publicity stunt to save his lost reputation. I'm quite sure that Bivol is not interested in a rematch, and he wont accept any proposals from Canelo. Canelo also knows that his tries will be useless and Bivol wont go for another contract. I think it should be better for Canelo to fight with someone whom he can win, and after many good wins the guy might get another chance to fight with Bivol.

Yes, because if he really care about his lost and he really wants the rematch he may bring the offer to Bivol and let him decide or give him all the favor for the sake of signing the contract, you are the one who lost the fight and not him. It's funny that you are still the one who's asking for your demands, just a way of doing excuses to make your publicity to hype up.

But in reality, fans are not interested in that kind of excuses and they all want to see you in the ring trying to regain your lost dignity.

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Fulton: Inoue Delay 'Wasn't Such A Bad Thing; I Feel Like I’m Taking It A Lot More Serious'
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As disappointed as Stephen Fulton was when he learned three months ago that his huge fight against Naoya Inoue had to be postponed, Fulton feels that the additional time to prepare for the biggest fight of his career has helped him.
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“I just took my time, honestly,” Fulton told BoxingScene.com. “I went to the Tank and Ryan Garcia fight [on April 22 in Las Vegas]. I took my time, so it wasn’t such a bad thing. It actually gave me more time, you know, to really focus and think about my opponent more and the decisions that I can make, as well as adjustments. And I brought a lot more people in my camp, as far as sparring partners. You know, I feel like I’m taking it a lot more serious.”

Well, ain't that super good news for all of us boxing fans who cannot wait for this match to happen? It's getting near so the long wait is finally over.
It's better to witness a match that would be more entertaining where both boxers have prepared in their most conditioned body than a quicky.
He added more people to his camp, which means he is really serious about it now and he won't just let the trend's prediction happen. All these words coming from him makes those who will bet for Inoue doubt their analysis. Fulton ain't backing out, he will win it.


But this Saturday, we have two title fights coming up in San Antonio.
Eimantas Stanionis versus Vergil Ortiz Jr. - WBA "Regular" Welterweight Title
Marlen Esparza versus Gabriela Celeste Alaniz - WBC + WBA + WBO Women's Flyweight titles
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Gervonta Davis attempting to serve his house arrest at the four seasons and then deciding he’d rather go spend it at a multimillion dollar penthouse is wild to me. He was really thinking that he’d get to use his house arrest like a vacation and just serve it wherever. He can’t be surprised to be back in jail as a result. He’s totally insane.

Indeed, he is now serving his jailtime in real jail unlike from what he have imagined after violating it.

Tank Davis Violates House Arrest, Taken Into Custody

He seems to be naïve about it instead of serving his 90-day house arrest properly and be sorry for what he did towards the family, he is already lucky to have a situation like that instead he still pushed his luck in going into his newly purchased multi-million dollar penthouse.
Well, this is a total shame, because at this point things cannot happen that way, Tank Davis seeing himself in a type of crime like this, is something that does not set an example, the worst thing is that there are children who admire him, and They see the example that he gives and it is something that is not good, apart from the fact that he violated custody as ordered, it is something that is not well seen, this type of thing must be corrected, I do not know why some boxers have problems of this style, In particular, since they are famous figures, they should be given a strong sanction, just for being people who should set an example.


Yes and that is a total disrespect too to the victim's family because even after Tank was given a house arrest which favorably gave him some little freedom instead of going to a prison, he was still violating the rules of it and tried to bend some rules in-order to transfer to his million dollar penthouse without thinking about what would the family feel. It's just like he was not in any remorse about what happened because he does not care at all and that is just sad to think because the family already had injustice and then this is what they heard.

Well, these types of things in the world are happening very regularly, l things, moral values are being lost a lot, the way the world is going, that a child can decide if he is a man or a woman, are things that do not go with me, just I hope that they never legalize the fact that an adult can take advantage of a child because it would be the end of the world, now, a boxer as I said before should set an example, because he is an influential person, there are children, young people, adults who they admire and will copy what you do in their lives, because they see it as an example, to see these things is really disappointing.

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Fulton: Inoue Delay 'Wasn't Such A Bad Thing; I Feel Like I’m Taking It A Lot More Serious'
https://www.boxingscene.com/fulton-inoue-delay-such-bad-thing-i-feel-like-im-taking-it-lot-more-serious--175805
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As disappointed as Stephen Fulton was when he learned three months ago that his huge fight against Naoya Inoue had to be postponed, Fulton feels that the additional time to prepare for the biggest fight of his career has helped him.
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“I just took my time, honestly,” Fulton told BoxingScene.com. “I went to the Tank and Ryan Garcia fight [on April 22 in Las Vegas]. I took my time, so it wasn’t such a bad thing. It actually gave me more time, you know, to really focus and think about my opponent more and the decisions that I can make, as well as adjustments. And I brought a lot more people in my camp, as far as sparring partners. You know, I feel like I’m taking it a lot more serious.”

Well, ain't that super good news for all of us boxing fans who cannot wait for this match to happen? It's getting near so the long wait is finally over.
It's better to witness a match that would be more entertaining where both boxers have prepared in their most conditioned body than a quicky.
He added more people to his camp, which means he is really serious about it now and he won't just let the trend's prediction happen. All these words coming from him makes those who will bet for Inoue doubt their analysis. Fulton ain't backing out, he will win it.


But this Saturday, we have two title fights coming up in San Antonio.
Eimantas Stanionis versus Vergil Ortiz Jr. - WBA "Regular" Welterweight Title
Marlen Esparza versus Gabriela Celeste Alaniz - WBC + WBA + WBO Women's Flyweight titles
Place your bets and good luck.

Great news that you shared, thank you very much, in fact I have always said something, a boxer wins a fight is in his training, in the fight he only shows what he did in his training, obviously if the training was very intense the boxer became more stronger, more resistant, faster, because his preparation was very hard, a boxer like Fulton knows that he has to prepare very hard because who he is going to face is not just any boxer, he is one of the best in the world who does not mind giving up his prizes previous ones just to pass the category, I think that's why I admire Inoue so much.

What I can say is that if this Fulton has learned how to take advantage of time, it is because he is a very intelligent boxer, and in this instance any time, minutes, hours, days, months are very important if he knows how to take advantage of them with his training, great for He, now Inoue, for his part, I don't think he's completely resting, because of the discipline that the Japanese have, I say that every day he trains intensely.

Here another update:

Is Stephen Fulton vs Naoya Inoue flying under the radar



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Is Naoya Inoue versus Stephen Fulton Jr., is a super fight that the lower weights have been yearning for flying under the radar?

The short answer is - probably. One of the best fights on paper that pit, Fulton Jr., who holds two of the four world titles in the division, the WBC and WBO, is widely considered the best of the division, yet the three-division world champion, Inoue, is already a hall-of-fame boxer, who recently became undisputed at bantamweight - and now is moving up to yet another weight class to fight the best fighter in the division.

Though the fight between the two which takes place on Tuesday, July 25th, in Japan, will be for the most hardcore of hardcore fans. It is a pivotal fight for the landscape of boxing. Given the severity of the fight, and how the result will change one of the pugilist's career, Fulton has relocated for the time being to Los Angeles, California, as he has been seen working with Malik Scott, and spotted various boxing gyms in the L.A. area including the prestigious Wild Card Boxing Gym.

Source: https://proboxtv.com/news/Is-Stephen-Fulton-vs-Naoya-Inoue-flying-under-the-radar/en

July 25 is the deadline, personally I would not want to be in Fulton's shoes, sometimes a boxer throws a lot of flowers at himself, it is normal for them to overdo it and praise themselves, but the truth can be It may be that he has a slight advantage because he knows and has experience in his category, it is the only advantage he has over the Japanese, but the Japanese is quiet, he only acts and shows what he has in the ring, sometimes that is much more fearful than Talking too much, I have always said that he who talks a lot does little, and in boxing it applies, the boxers who challenge Inoue like this are not doing very well, perhaps the Japanese boxer has so much discipline that he handles provocations very well.

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July 05, 2023, 02:15:27 PM
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It is really hard to forget Canelo Alvarez's expressions inside the ring because he just cannot hide how frustrated he was as he cannot really give something good towards Bivol to make the fight in his favor, even the judges tried to help him, but it was just so clear that Bivol is too dominant inside his own division. Canelo probably thought that he can have the belt once again as he managed to defeat Sergey Kovalev few years back in the same division.

It was just beyond his skills to beat that guy and look at them didn't even bother to take a second chance to regain back his honor by asking Bivol for a second fight instead they are cherry-picking opponents nowadays just to be active in boxing for the months to come. If only they choose to fight real contenders no matter how hard it is, they wouldn't have lost the reality of boxing as we saw in the past in the Mike Tyson era, nowadays if the opponent has high more chance of beating them, they don't accept the challenges rather they dodge it by looking for a small fish opponent that is available.

Canelo has accepted the fact that he cannot beat Bivol, but it seems like he's making excuses by offering an unfavorable revenue sharing for a potential rematch. It's clear that the fight won't happen under those conditions. What Canelo is doing is sticking with a division where he can dominate and likely retire as a champion.

Canelo doesn't have the fighting skills to beat Bivol and that's a fact my friend. He is just trying to offer rematch only as a publicity stunt to save his lost reputation. I'm quite sure that Bivol is not interested in a rematch, and he wont accept any proposals from Canelo. Canelo also knows that his tries will be useless and Bivol wont go for another contract. I think it should be better for Canelo to fight with someone whom he can win, and after many good wins the guy might get another chance to fight with Bivol.

That might be the case why both camps are not making any noise regarding about the rematch, as of now, I wouldn't call it as the end of the road between the two of them because Canelo hasn't made an offer yet to contest the fight at 168 and to show that he is indeed eager to make the fight happen to regain his reputation because he only gave an offer at 175 and with the same purse split, that's why Bivol's camp declined automatically without any hesitation.

So, let's see if there will be some changes after Canelo's fight this coming September.
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It is really hard to forget Canelo Alvarez's expressions inside the ring because he just cannot hide how frustrated he was as he cannot really give something good towards Bivol to make the fight in his favor, even the judges tried to help him, but it was just so clear that Bivol is too dominant inside his own division. Canelo probably thought that he can have the belt once again as he managed to defeat Sergey Kovalev few years back in the same division.

It was just beyond his skills to beat that guy and look at them didn't even bother to take a second chance to regain back his honor by asking Bivol for a second fight instead they are cherry-picking opponents nowadays just to be active in boxing for the months to come. If only they choose to fight real contenders no matter how hard it is, they wouldn't have lost the reality of boxing as we saw in the past in the Mike Tyson era, nowadays if the opponent has high more chance of beating them, they don't accept the challenges rather they dodge it by looking for a small fish opponent that is available.

Canelo has accepted the fact that he cannot beat Bivol, but it seems like he's making excuses by offering an unfavorable revenue sharing for a potential rematch. It's clear that the fight won't happen under those conditions. What Canelo is doing is sticking with a division where he can dominate and likely retire as a champion.

Canelo doesn't have the fighting skills to beat Bivol and that's a fact my friend. He is just trying to offer rematch only as a publicity stunt to save his lost reputation. I'm quite sure that Bivol is not interested in a rematch, and he wont accept any proposals from Canelo. Canelo also knows that his tries will be useless and Bivol wont go for another contract. I think it should be better for Canelo to fight with someone whom he can win, and after many good wins the guy might get another chance to fight with Bivol.

That might be the case why both camps are not making any noise regarding about the rematch, as of now, I wouldn't call it as the end of the road between the two of them because Canelo hasn't made an offer yet to contest the fight at 168 and to show that he is indeed eager to make the fight happen to regain his reputation because he only gave an offer at 175 and with the same purse split, that's why Bivol's camp declined automatically without any hesitation.

So, let's see if there will be some changes after Canelo's fight this coming September.

It might take sometime though as Canelo has bolted out of Matchroom. And so Bivol will have to move on and fine another fighter and not just solely chase Canelo. He could defend his belt and continue at 175 lbs. Of course, there is also a unification fight in the horizon for him with Arthur Beterbiev. So there's a lot of opportunity for him in the future.

Canelo as well will have his one fight this September. What's interesting is who will be his next opponent as there are news that it might be another Mexican in David Benavidez. And this want fight fans is hoping for May next year.

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July 05, 2023, 06:28:29 PM
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That might be the case why both camps are not making any noise regarding about the rematch, as of now, I wouldn't call it as the end of the road between the two of them because Canelo hasn't made an offer yet to contest the fight at 168 and to show that he is indeed eager to make the fight happen to regain his reputation because he only gave an offer at 175 and with the same purse split, that's why Bivol's camp declined automatically without any hesitation.

So, let's see if there will be some changes after Canelo's fight this coming September.

We will know that once an update comes out, for now, there's none and the last declined that happen haven't been updated
so for that possible rematch, we might not see it for now.

But we are in this business and we know that money speaks louder than words. If there're attractable offers, we might see both camps
to negotiate and start the process again.

We can't conclude what will be the fate if rematch may happen or it will be forgotten along the way.
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It might take sometime though as Canelo has bolted out of Matchroom. And so Bivol will have to move on and fine another fighter and not just solely chase Canelo. He could defend his belt and continue at 175 lbs. Of course, there is also a unification fight in the horizon for him with Arthur Beterbiev. So there's a lot of opportunity for him in the future.
The unification fight between Bivol and Beterbiev is not yet on the horizon as long as the war between Ukraine and Russia persist because the sanctioning bodies are not that inclined to make the fight into reality, right now, it has been said that Bivol is arranging his information so that he will not be connected in any Russian conflicts as that will give some halt in his careers, just like the Bivol vs Canelo fight, it's been said that up until now, the paycheck is still not on his hands.

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Canelo as well will have his one fight this September. What's interesting is who will be his next opponent as there are news that it might be another Mexican in David Benavidez. And this want fight fans is hoping for May next year.
Hopefully that will happen so that we can see that real abilities of the kid infront of the undisputed champion and so that there will be no speculation that Canelo is ducking the uprising star that will soon replace his title at SMW. And of course, so that the kid will be given the chance of a lifetime as he earned his place to be the next foe of Canelo.

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July 06, 2023, 02:31:18 AM
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It might take sometime though as Canelo has bolted out of Matchroom. And so Bivol will have to move on and fine another fighter and not just solely chase Canelo. He could defend his belt and continue at 175 lbs. Of course, there is also a unification fight in the horizon for him with Arthur Beterbiev. So there's a lot of opportunity for him in the future.
The unification fight between Bivol and Beterbiev is not yet on the horizon as long as the war between Ukraine and Russia persist because the sanctioning bodies are not that inclined to make the fight into reality, right now, it has been said that Bivol is arranging his information so that he will not be connected in any Russian conflicts as that will give some halt in his careers, just like the Bivol vs Canelo fight, it's been said that up until now, the paycheck is still not on his hands.

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Canelo as well will have his one fight this September. What's interesting is who will be his next opponent as there are news that it might be another Mexican in David Benavidez. And this want fight fans is hoping for May next year.
Hopefully that will happen so that we can see that real abilities of the kid infront of the undisputed champion and so that there will be no speculation that Canelo is ducking the uprising star that will soon replace his title at SMW. And of course, so that the kid will be given the chance of a lifetime as he earned his place to be the next foe of Canelo.

Only Bivol is affected though, but if they can have Bivol vs Canelo during the war then why stopping him from fighting again? Politics shouldn't meddle in. the sports in my opinion. Beterbiev is already fighting as a Canadian, just for your info. He has a Canadian citizenship,

https://www.sportsmanor.com/boxing-news-artur-beterbiev-nationality-is-he-canadian-or-russian/

The one that has been holding up this fight is their manager, Beterbiev is with Top Rank, under Bob Arum, and then Bivol with Match Room and Eddie Hearn. This two promotional manager is having a verbal war in the public.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-united-states-eddie-hearn-considered-joke--170936
https://www.boxingscene.com/eddie-hearn-hits-back-bob-arum-top-rank-completely-finished-espn-contract-gone--174959

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July 06, 2023, 05:33:44 PM
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That might be the case why both camps are not making any noise regarding about the rematch, as of now, I wouldn't call it as the end of the road between the two of them because Canelo hasn't made an offer yet to contest the fight at 168 and to show that he is indeed eager to make the fight happen to regain his reputation because he only gave an offer at 175 and with the same purse split, that's why Bivol's camp declined automatically without any hesitation.

So, let's see if there will be some changes after Canelo's fight this coming September.

We will know that once an update comes out, for now, there's none and the last declined that happen haven't been updated
so for that possible rematch, we might not see it for now.

But we are in this business and we know that money speaks louder than words. If there're attractable offers, we might see both camps
to negotiate and start the process again.

We can't conclude what will be the fate if rematch may happen or it will be forgotten along the way.

Only if Canelo Alvarez accepts the reality and will accept the fact that he ain't the one who will dictate the fight anymore and will be having the smaller slice of the cake unlike in the first encounter where he got all the advantages in-terms of profits. But now, that is not the situation anymore and if he will not accept it, then I guess we will not see a rematch between Canelo and Bivol.

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July 06, 2023, 05:42:24 PM
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It might take sometime though as Canelo has bolted out of Matchroom. And so Bivol will have to move on and fine another fighter and not just solely chase Canelo. He could defend his belt and continue at 175 lbs. Of course, there is also a unification fight in the horizon for him with Arthur Beterbiev. So there's a lot of opportunity for him in the future.
The unification fight between Bivol and Beterbiev is not yet on the horizon as long as the war between Ukraine and Russia persist because the sanctioning bodies are not that inclined to make the fight into reality, right now, it has been said that Bivol is arranging his information so that he will not be connected in any Russian conflicts as that will give some halt in his careers, just like the Bivol vs Canelo fight, it's been said that up until now, the paycheck is still not on his hands.

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Canelo as well will have his one fight this September. What's interesting is who will be his next opponent as there are news that it might be another Mexican in David Benavidez. And this want fight fans is hoping for May next year.
Hopefully that will happen so that we can see that real abilities of the kid infront of the undisputed champion and so that there will be no speculation that Canelo is ducking the uprising star that will soon replace his title at SMW. And of course, so that the kid will be given the chance of a lifetime as he earned his place to be the next foe of Canelo.

Only Bivol is affected though, but if they can have Bivol vs Canelo during the war then why stopping him from fighting again? Politics shouldn't meddle in. the sports in my opinion. Beterbiev is already fighting as a Canadian, just for your info. He has a Canadian citizenship,

https://www.sportsmanor.com/boxing-news-artur-beterbiev-nationality-is-he-canadian-or-russian/

The one that has been holding up this fight is their manager, Beterbiev is with Top Rank, under Bob Arum, and then Bivol with Match Room and Eddie Hearn. This two promotional manager is having a verbal war in the public.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-united-states-eddie-hearn-considered-joke--170936
https://www.boxingscene.com/eddie-hearn-hits-back-bob-arum-top-rank-completely-finished-espn-contract-gone--174959

I don't think you are following because I certainly believe that we have already established that fact and already know beforehand that Artur Beterbiev is a Canadian citizen and has been living in the mentioned country for almost 20 years now. The only thing that connects him to Russia is that he was born at that country, nothing else.

For Dmitry Bivol, just like what I mentioned above, the unification match is not really possible at the moment because the sanctioning bodies are not allowing it to happen. Bob Arum of the Top Rank and Eddie Hearn of the DAZN is the least of their problems because Bob Arum himself already stressed before that the unification fight is only possible is if he will organize it and not Eddie Hearn and it is reasonable enough because it is them who holds three of the four belts existing.

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